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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,875
    edited March 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Sorry for the typos.  On a plane,  on a phone,  and trying to edit a presentation at the same time. 

    I think it's fair to point out, with so many candidates, we are going to get many different viewpoints. I think UBI is a mission of Mr. Yang and not the party in general. If he rises into the top 5 or 7, then it would be a fairer argument.

    If you are looking for moderates, Beto, only 7 years ago, was in favor of lowering social security benefits. That's to the right of Trump.

    Does that count towards a moderate major Dem candidate?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sorry for the typos.  On a plane,  on a phone,  and trying to edit a presentation at the same time. 

    I think it's fair to point out, with so many candidates, we are going to get many different viewpoints. I think UBI is a mission of Mr. Yang and not the party in general. If he rises into the top 5 or 7, then it would be a fairer argument.

    If you are looking for moderates, Beto, only 7 years ago, was in favor of lowering social security benefits. That's to the right of Trump.

    Does that count towards a moderate major Dem candidate?
    Obama was against gay marriage in that same time that you're pointing out Beto.  Today's position is more important than two cycles ago.  People change.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sorry for the typos.  On a plane,  on a phone,  and trying to edit a presentation at the same time. 

    I think it's fair to point out, with so many candidates, we are going to get many different viewpoints. I think UBI is a mission of Mr. Yang and not the party in general. If he rises into the top 5 or 7, then it would be a fairer argument.

    If you are looking for moderates, Beto, only 7 years ago, was in favor of lowering social security benefits. That's to the right of Trump.

    Does that count towards a moderate major Dem candidate?
    Now if one stated that,  as rule over the last 50 years,  the US has been slower to adopt social progress changes than European counterparts,  then I would agree with that statement because it's empirically provable,  and doesn't seek to paint all of us with one brush. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Hi! said:
    Buttigieg is a fucking pro. If he wasn’t gay I would put money on him to win. He is a far superior communicator than any of the others Imo. Am I wrong in thinking his sexuality is going too hurt him?  My main issue is electability right now. I watched the town hall finally last night and was surprised to find out he was a war veteran. 
    My first thought was that being gay would hurt him. But then I thought...how many of the people that it’s s problem for are likely to vote against trump to begin with? 

    I dont know the answer 
    I think the impact on the traditional image of the First Lady would be enough to sink him.  While the crazy bigots probably wouldn’t vote Dem either way, my guess is there are a lot of people that are OK with the idea of gay co-workers and neighbors would have a hard time making this leap.
    Yeah, I bet that would be a big leap for some.
    If Ireland can make the leap, so can America.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:


    It will never make sense why in the US they feel the need to campaign 2 years before the actual election, and what a waste of money donating to a political campaign...
    It's for the same psychological reason why Black Friday now starts a week before Thanksgiving..  or that Halloween decorations are up at Lowes right at Labor Day.  
    Eventually we will all just lose a year and call it even, lol.

    I think it's due to a massive epidemic of ADHD combined with a serious lack of understanding or acceptance of the concept of delayed gratification.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Watching the Warren town hall. That Native American thing is going to follow her forever and it makes me sad. She doing so well with the questions and being relatable, but it’s brought up every time and it’s a buzzkill.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Hi! said:
    Watching the Warren town hall. That Native American thing is going to follow her forever and it makes me sad. She doing so well with the questions and being relatable, but it’s brought up every time and it’s a buzzkill.
    That people keep bringing up such a non-topic sounds like a form of trolling.  Those people need to find something better to do with their time.  If I were Warren I would say this, "Look, we've been over this enough already.  I'm sorry, but from here on out I will ignore that kind of question.  Please ask something more relevant."
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    I think it's very relevant
  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited March 2019
    I suppose it’s relevent. I also think people deserve “ a path to redemption”. She apologized and I can appreciate that. She also said she was told these things growing up. Do any of us know what she was told growing up? It is important to ask the candidates these questions because we know these are the things Trump will be trolling on during the election. Betos dui, Warrens Native American thing ect. You know, the important stuff. Anyway, I think Warren is a good lady and Massachusetts she be proud to have her as Senator. I don’t think she’ll get the nomination.
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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    The issue of reparations seems to be a hot topic. I think this is very controversial and am nervous so much discussion on this is going to backfire. Every candidate is asked about it now it seems. We obviously have heard about this time to time, but never so much as we’ve heard lately. Any thoughts on this? I’m all for doing what we can do to help lift up the African American community through different policy proposals, but the idea of cash payments is something I think is gonna turn people off. It would be funny to hear Trump have to answear a question on reparations. 

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Yeah eventually it needs to go away...there is nothing left to be said about it.  So, if you are a voter take it into account if you want or don't if you don't...but let's stop talking about it.

    And I'll be taking it into account...though I don't really have to as there is no way in hell I'm voting for Warren.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,875
    my2hands said:
    I think it's very relevant

    If Warren were a republican it would not be relevant. But since she is a Democrat, it will be.

    In a post trump world, it is absurd that it is relevant. 

    M2h,  haven't you commented something the effect that Trump did nothing wrong and Mueller is a witch hunt?

    Mueller's investigation has yielded "the highest rate of indictments for campaign aides than any president ever.” 

    Fair and balanced.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    mrussel1 said:
    Hi! said:
    Is there any connection between UBI and money Native Americans recieve or oil money distributed in Alaska? I was under impression Alaskan residents receive some sort of money from oil revenues. I also thought Native Americans recieve some sort of cash payments. Is that kind of the same thing?
    The Alaska thing is BS. It's a subsidy by the govt so people will move to Alaska and work in the oil industry.  The oil companies should pay it,  but evidently it's in the "national interest".
    This is wrong.  You only have to be a resident of Alaska.  You don't need to work for an oil company.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Lerxst1992 said:
    my2hands said:
    I think it's very relevant

    If Warren were a republican it would not be relevant. But since she is a Democrat, it will be.

    In a post trump world, it is absurd that it is relevant. 

    M2h,  haven't you commented something the effect that Trump did nothing wrong and Mueller is a witch hunt?

    Mueller's investigation has yielded "the highest rate of indictments for campaign aides than any president ever.” 

    Fair and balanced.
    Incorrect on almost all fronts
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Elizabeth Warren is now endorsing reparations and trying to make it an issue? And I used to like Pocahontas lol

    FFS... can she be any more blatant in trying to garner black support? 

    It seems the Democrats are really going to try and lose in 2020... brace for impact...

    Reparations and UBI........ nails in the coffin, better back away now 

    Reparations has been discussed ad nauseam and is a dead horse, what is this the 1990's again? 

    And general voters are definitely not ready for Universal Basic Income 

    Wtf are the dems doing, trying to hand it over AGAIN?


  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    my2hands said:
    Elizabeth Warren is now endorsing reparations and trying to make it an issue? And I used to like Pocahontas lol

    FFS... can she be any more blatant in trying to garner black support? 

    It seems the Democrats are really going to try and lose in 2020... brace for impact...

    Reparations and UBI........ nails in the coffin, better back away now 

    Reparations has been discussed ad nauseam and is a dead horse, what is this the 1990's again? 

    And general voters are definitely not ready for Universal Basic Income 

    Wtf are the dems doing, trying to hand it over AGAIN?


    Keep finding new ways to lose.  Double down on dumb.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    She seemed MAD reasonable last night.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    my2hands said:
    Elizabeth Warren is now endorsing reparations and trying to make it an issue? And I used to like Pocahontas lol

    FFS... can she be any more blatant in trying to garner black support? 

    It seems the Democrats are really going to try and lose in 2020... brace for impact...

    Reparations and UBI........ nails in the coffin, better back away now 

    Reparations has been discussed ad nauseam and is a dead horse, what is this the 1990's again? 

    And general voters are definitely not ready for Universal Basic Income 

    Wtf are the dems doing, trying to hand it over AGAIN?


    you, my friend, are not the end all be all arbiter of what people want.  sorry bro.


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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    my2hands said:
    Elizabeth Warren is now endorsing reparations and trying to make it an issue? And I used to like Pocahontas lol

    FFS... can she be any more blatant in trying to garner black support? 

    It seems the Democrats are really going to try and lose in 2020... brace for impact...

    Reparations and UBI........ nails in the coffin, better back away now 

    Reparations has been discussed ad nauseam and is a dead horse, what is this the 1990's again? 

    And general voters are definitely not ready for Universal Basic Income 

    Wtf are the dems doing, trying to hand it over AGAIN?


    UBI will not go over well with conservatives, that isn't her platform.

    Reparations talk again though?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    my2hands said:
    Elizabeth Warren is now endorsing reparations and trying to make it an issue? And I used to like Pocahontas lol

    FFS... can she be any more blatant in trying to garner black support? 

    It seems the Democrats are really going to try and lose in 2020... brace for impact...

    Reparations and UBI........ nails in the coffin, better back away now 

    Reparations has been discussed ad nauseam and is a dead horse, what is this the 1990's again? 

    And general voters are definitely not ready for Universal Basic Income 

    Wtf are the dems doing, trying to hand it over AGAIN?


    Stop with the racist Pocahontas stuff.
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