Elizabeth Warren vows to break up tech giants if elected president

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,783
    riley540 said:
    njnancy said:
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    So then you are fine with not receiving any Social Security or Medicare when you retire. Those are programs that are about as big government and socialist (yes socialist) as you can get. So if you really are passionate about your statement, you will opt out of that I'm sure. 
    Social security is going to collapse reguardless. I’d rather have the opportunity to save and invest that money on my own terms to retire how I seem fit. The government isn’t good at much. Shut down social security sooner than later I say 
    Who’s paying for your health care you ? 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    benjs said:
    riley540 said:
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
    Bear in mind, you say the government is more powerful, but the government often governs by the largest payoffs by corporations, so it seems to me it's more of a syndicate. With such an alliance between these groups, lobbies and politicians will just continue to focus on passing bills and establishing regulations with strong public-facing optics and stronger profitability. Absent from those considerations are the humans downstream (employees and consumers alike). I don't think the back-and-forth debate over corporate or government control matters all that much at the end of the day until this reality is changed.

    I also think even if I'm just totally cynical and this cooperative behaviour isn't actually what's happening, then I'd look at basic human nature. In the absence of a threat to accumulating power, we usually try. In that case, if two entities with competing goals exist, one's retreat will lead to the other taking power. At this point, I honestly don't know which head of the chimera is worst. 
    Exactly!  Our government was intended to be, as Lincoln's words stated,  "government of the people [that is, government that is made up of people who come from the people], by the people, for the people".  But no, now instead we have government "of big corporations, by big corporations, for big corporations".  That being the case, maybe I should agree with Riley and not trust big government as it exists today.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    riley540 said:
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
    Bear in mind, you say the government is more powerful, but the government often governs by the largest payoffs by corporations, so it seems to me it's more of a syndicate. With such an alliance between these groups, lobbies and politicians will just continue to focus on passing bills and establishing regulations with strong public-facing optics and stronger profitability. Absent from those considerations are the humans downstream (employees and consumers alike). I don't think the back-and-forth debate over corporate or government control matters all that much at the end of the day until this reality is changed.

    I also think even if I'm just totally cynical and this cooperative behaviour isn't actually what's happening, then I'd look at basic human nature. In the absence of a threat to accumulating power, we usually try. In that case, if two entities with competing goals exist, one's retreat will lead to the other taking power. At this point, I honestly don't know which head of the chimera is worst. 
    Exactly!  Our government was intended to be, as Lincoln's words stated,  "government of the people [that is, government that is made up of people who come from the people], by the people, for the people".  But no, now instead we have government "of big corporations, by big corporations, for big corporations".  That being the case, maybe I should agree with Riley and not trust big government as it exists today.

    And my point was just - trust who you want to trust, but whether it comes from politicians, or from the corporations - you know the alliance they serve! Except similar results either way until these ties are severed. I hope morality infiltrates both politics and business eventually though :) 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,783
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    riley540 said:
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
    Bear in mind, you say the government is more powerful, but the government often governs by the largest payoffs by corporations, so it seems to me it's more of a syndicate. With such an alliance between these groups, lobbies and politicians will just continue to focus on passing bills and establishing regulations with strong public-facing optics and stronger profitability. Absent from those considerations are the humans downstream (employees and consumers alike). I don't think the back-and-forth debate over corporate or government control matters all that much at the end of the day until this reality is changed.

    I also think even if I'm just totally cynical and this cooperative behaviour isn't actually what's happening, then I'd look at basic human nature. In the absence of a threat to accumulating power, we usually try. In that case, if two entities with competing goals exist, one's retreat will lead to the other taking power. At this point, I honestly don't know which head of the chimera is worst. 
    Exactly!  Our government was intended to be, as Lincoln's words stated,  "government of the people [that is, government that is made up of people who come from the people], by the people, for the people".  But no, now instead we have government "of big corporations, by big corporations, for big corporations".  That being the case, maybe I should agree with Riley and not trust big government as it exists today.

    I believe it’s too late to turn back the clock on this issue , corporations are here to stay maybe they can be curved but to disband them is unrealistic in mi opinion..
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    edited March 2019
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    riley540 said:
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
    Bear in mind, you say the government is more powerful, but the government often governs by the largest payoffs by corporations, so it seems to me it's more of a syndicate. With such an alliance between these groups, lobbies and politicians will just continue to focus on passing bills and establishing regulations with strong public-facing optics and stronger profitability. Absent from those considerations are the humans downstream (employees and consumers alike). I don't think the back-and-forth debate over corporate or government control matters all that much at the end of the day until this reality is changed.

    I also think even if I'm just totally cynical and this cooperative behaviour isn't actually what's happening, then I'd look at basic human nature. In the absence of a threat to accumulating power, we usually try. In that case, if two entities with competing goals exist, one's retreat will lead to the other taking power. At this point, I honestly don't know which head of the chimera is worst. 
    Exactly!  Our government was intended to be, as Lincoln's words stated,  "government of the people [that is, government that is made up of people who come from the people], by the people, for the people".  But no, now instead we have government "of big corporations, by big corporations, for big corporations".  That being the case, maybe I should agree with Riley and not trust big government as it exists today.

    I believe it’s too late to turn back the clock on this issue , corporations are here to stay maybe they can be curved but to disband them is unrealistic in mi opinion..
    Very true also.  For now.  But "too big to fail" eventually has it's drawbacks. 

    And besides that, I often argue for an idealist, perhaps unobtainable goal with the hopes that we can at least draw closer to that idealism.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,783
    brianlux said:
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    riley540 said:
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
    Bear in mind, you say the government is more powerful, but the government often governs by the largest payoffs by corporations, so it seems to me it's more of a syndicate. With such an alliance between these groups, lobbies and politicians will just continue to focus on passing bills and establishing regulations with strong public-facing optics and stronger profitability. Absent from those considerations are the humans downstream (employees and consumers alike). I don't think the back-and-forth debate over corporate or government control matters all that much at the end of the day until this reality is changed.

    I also think even if I'm just totally cynical and this cooperative behaviour isn't actually what's happening, then I'd look at basic human nature. In the absence of a threat to accumulating power, we usually try. In that case, if two entities with competing goals exist, one's retreat will lead to the other taking power. At this point, I honestly don't know which head of the chimera is worst. 
    Exactly!  Our government was intended to be, as Lincoln's words stated,  "government of the people [that is, government that is made up of people who come from the people], by the people, for the people".  But no, now instead we have government "of big corporations, by big corporations, for big corporations".  That being the case, maybe I should agree with Riley and not trust big government as it exists today.

    I believe it’s too late to turn back the clock on this issue , corporations are here to stay maybe they can be curved but to disband them is unrealistic in mi opinion..
    Very true also.  For now.  But "too big to fail" eventually has it's drawbacks. 
    Yes everything has its braking point under said weight 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    riley540 said:
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
    Bear in mind, you say the government is more powerful, but the government often governs by the largest payoffs by corporations, so it seems to me it's more of a syndicate. With such an alliance between these groups, lobbies and politicians will just continue to focus on passing bills and establishing regulations with strong public-facing optics and stronger profitability. Absent from those considerations are the humans downstream (employees and consumers alike). I don't think the back-and-forth debate over corporate or government control matters all that much at the end of the day until this reality is changed.

    I also think even if I'm just totally cynical and this cooperative behaviour isn't actually what's happening, then I'd look at basic human nature. In the absence of a threat to accumulating power, we usually try. In that case, if two entities with competing goals exist, one's retreat will lead to the other taking power. At this point, I honestly don't know which head of the chimera is worst. 
    Exactly!  Our government was intended to be, as Lincoln's words stated,  "government of the people [that is, government that is made up of people who come from the people], by the people, for the people".  But no, now instead we have government "of big corporations, by big corporations, for big corporations".  That being the case, maybe I should agree with Riley and not trust big government as it exists today.

    I believe it’s too late to turn back the clock on this issue , corporations are here to stay maybe they can be curved but to disband them is unrealistic in mi opinion..
    Very true also.  For now.  But "too big to fail" eventually has it's drawbacks. 
    Yes everything has its braking point under said weight 
    Definitely so.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Yes... well capitalism in general falls under that weight. A system that demands constant and endless growth is doomed to fail eventually. It just is not sustainable.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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