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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    I would say if you got the power to break up 3 of the largest corporations, then just maybe, the government has to much power.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    Meltdown99 said:
    I would say if you got the power to break up 3 of the largest corporations, then just maybe, the government has to much power.
    I disagree - a government is supposed to work for the people, and that is exactly what a government would be doing if it managed to disrupt what is clearly growing into a corporatocracy. If someone doesn't take steps to try and stop that now, it will soon be too late... It might already be too late.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    Meltdown99 said:
    I would say if you got the power to break up 3 of the largest corporations, then just maybe, the government has to much power.
    Two words:

    Standard Oil
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    My other question is what about

    Apple?
    Berkshire Hathaway?  They make a move and the whole stockmarket can change.
    Johnson & Johnson?

     I'm sure there are oil companies I could add?
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    She is nuts.  Please tell me what those companies are doing that is so wrong, besides making money.  And those 3 companies could pack up and leave the US in heartbeat...and setup operations elsewhere.  It's likely a moot point, she is not becoming POTUS.  She should 1st aspire to get elected as Cheif of her 1st nations reserve and help her people.../s
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    tempo_n_groove said:
    My other question is what about

    Apple?
    Berkshire Hathaway?  They make a move and the whole stockmarket can change.
    Johnson & Johnson?

     I'm sure there are oil companies I could add?
    Yes, there are many corporations/monopolies that should be broken up.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited March 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    She is nuts.  Please tell me what those companies are doing that is so wrong, besides making money.  And those 3 companies could pack up and leave the US in heartbeat...and setup operations elsewhere.  It's likely a moot point, she is not becoming POTUS.  She should 1st aspire to get elected as Cheif of her 1st nations reserve and help her people.../s
    That is why I wondered why you thought this subject deserved its own thread TBH. This seems more fit for a more general Warren thread, which does exist (several do actually) We can have new threads for every little thing anyone running says from now until the primaries.
    But she's not nuts at all. She's just not an American capitalist.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    She is nuts.  Please tell me what those companies are doing that is so wrong, besides making money.  And those 3 companies could pack up and leave the US in heartbeat...and setup operations elsewhere.  It's likely a moot point, she is not becoming POTUS.  She should 1st aspire to get elected as Cheif of her 1st nations reserve and help her people.../s
    That is why I wondered why you thought this subject deserved its own thread TBH. This seems more fit for a more general Warren thread, which does exist (several do actually) We can have new threads for every little thing anyone running says from now until the primaries.
    But she's not nuts at all. She's just not an American capitalist.
    She's actually extremely intelligent and knowledgeable and grounded.  She is what's considered wonky when it comes to policy.  Having a different opinion doesn't make one person sane and the other nuts; it's just a differing opinion. 

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    I would say if you got the power to break up 3 of the largest corporations, then just maybe, the government has to much power.
    I disagree - a government is supposed to work for the people, and that is exactly what a government would be doing if it managed to disrupt what is clearly growing into a corporatocracy. If someone doesn't take steps to try and stop that now, it will soon be too late... It might already be too late.
    Totally agree, right on.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    njnancy said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    She is nuts.  Please tell me what those companies are doing that is so wrong, besides making money.  And those 3 companies could pack up and leave the US in heartbeat...and setup operations elsewhere.  It's likely a moot point, she is not becoming POTUS.  She should 1st aspire to get elected as Cheif of her 1st nations reserve and help her people.../s
    That is why I wondered why you thought this subject deserved its own thread TBH. This seems more fit for a more general Warren thread, which does exist (several do actually) We can have new threads for every little thing anyone running says from now until the primaries.
    But she's not nuts at all. She's just not an American capitalist.
    She's actually extremely intelligent and knowledgeable and grounded.  She is what's considered wonky when it comes to policy.  Having a different opinion doesn't make one person sane and the other nuts; it's just a differing opinion. 

    I absolutely love her. She is inspiring and super-smart and rational and mature, and far enough left for me to basically support everything she does. If I were American I would absolutely be hoping for her to win this thing, rather than Bernie. I also like Kamala Harris, but not as much as Warren. I still like Bernie too... it's the hype/anti-hype around Bernie that I don't like right now. It's annoying AF.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    PJ_Soul said:
    njnancy said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    She is nuts.  Please tell me what those companies are doing that is so wrong, besides making money.  And those 3 companies could pack up and leave the US in heartbeat...and setup operations elsewhere.  It's likely a moot point, she is not becoming POTUS.  She should 1st aspire to get elected as Cheif of her 1st nations reserve and help her people.../s
    That is why I wondered why you thought this subject deserved its own thread TBH. This seems more fit for a more general Warren thread, which does exist (several do actually) We can have new threads for every little thing anyone running says from now until the primaries.
    But she's not nuts at all. She's just not an American capitalist.
    She's actually extremely intelligent and knowledgeable and grounded.  She is what's considered wonky when it comes to policy.  Having a different opinion doesn't make one person sane and the other nuts; it's just a differing opinion. 

    I absolutely love her. She is inspiring and super-smart and rational and mature, and far enough left for me to basically support everything she does. If I were American I would absolutely be hoping for her to win this thing, rather than Bernie. I also like Kamala Harris, but not as much as Warren. I still like Bernie too... it's the hype/anti-hype around Bernie that I don't like right now. It's annoying AF.
    Again, totally agree.  I like Bernie but if it comes down to Sanders or Warren, it's Warren all the way for me. 
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    njnancy said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    She is nuts.  Please tell me what those companies are doing that is so wrong, besides making money.  And those 3 companies could pack up and leave the US in heartbeat...and setup operations elsewhere.  It's likely a moot point, she is not becoming POTUS.  She should 1st aspire to get elected as Cheif of her 1st nations reserve and help her people.../s
    That is why I wondered why you thought this subject deserved its own thread TBH. This seems more fit for a more general Warren thread, which does exist (several do actually) We can have new threads for every little thing anyone running says from now until the primaries.
    But she's not nuts at all. She's just not an American capitalist.
    She's actually extremely intelligent and knowledgeable and grounded.  She is what's considered wonky when it comes to policy.  Having a different opinion doesn't make one person sane and the other nuts; it's just a differing opinion. 

    I absolutely love her. She is inspiring and super-smart and rational and mature, and far enough left for me to basically support everything she does. If I were American I would absolutely be hoping for her to win this thing, rather than Bernie. I also like Kamala Harris, but not as much as Warren. I still like Bernie too... it's the hype/anti-hype around Bernie that I don't like right now. It's annoying AF.
    Again, totally agree.  I like Bernie but if it comes down to Sanders or Warren, it's Warren all the way for me. 
    I never got on the Bernie train. Liked him before the last election but not so much now. 

    Warren was robbed the position as head of the CFPB. She basically did all of the work to create that department. So she became a Senator. 

    America doesn't like wonks, which is a shame. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,525
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    njnancy said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    She is nuts.  Please tell me what those companies are doing that is so wrong, besides making money.  And those 3 companies could pack up and leave the US in heartbeat...and setup operations elsewhere.  It's likely a moot point, she is not becoming POTUS.  She should 1st aspire to get elected as Cheif of her 1st nations reserve and help her people.../s
    That is why I wondered why you thought this subject deserved its own thread TBH. This seems more fit for a more general Warren thread, which does exist (several do actually) We can have new threads for every little thing anyone running says from now until the primaries.
    But she's not nuts at all. She's just not an American capitalist.
    She's actually extremely intelligent and knowledgeable and grounded.  She is what's considered wonky when it comes to policy.  Having a different opinion doesn't make one person sane and the other nuts; it's just a differing opinion. 

    I absolutely love her. She is inspiring and super-smart and rational and mature, and far enough left for me to basically support everything she does. If I were American I would absolutely be hoping for her to win this thing, rather than Bernie. I also like Kamala Harris, but not as much as Warren. I still like Bernie too... it's the hype/anti-hype around Bernie that I don't like right now. It's annoying AF.
    Again, totally agree.  I like Bernie but if it comes down to Sanders or Warren, it's Warren all the way for me. 
    Yep I’m there too ..
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    I’m starting to warm up to Warren more. I like that she’s a wonk. 

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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    I think Warren would do well with white blue collar women or baby boomer aged white women who might have voted Trump in 2016.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    I think she will be gone by something as simple as:

    1. Trumps Pocahontas thing will taint her too much,
    2. Her voice will be considered non pleasing and whiny


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • riley540riley540 Posts: 1,132
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    Name one western democracy with this "big government" you are so afraid of that works worse than the US?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    Ok, what's the balance then, since you think her statement means too much government control? I don't think the continued monopolitization of a few large companies is going to do any good unless you're the wealthy elite.

    Also, isn't it a bit hypocritical of a Trump supporter to call someone else an idiot and out of touch? How is Trump helping bridge the gap or do anything besides secure his own wealth? He's nothing but a con artist and a crook, but God (you know, the one from an official Trump signed bible) forbid you or any of the other minions care about that shit.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    Compelling argument.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    I believe you when you say you think Elizabeth Warren is an idiot.  I think that's a bit strange, but I'll believe you believe that.  So how about we give that some perspective?  Let's let Warren debate Trump and see who looks like an idiot.  Fair enough?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    I'm very curious to see what precedence Warren feels can be used to apply a ceiling to capitalism, and what slanderous campaigns would be produced by large corporations and their lobbies. Even anti-trust laws must have taken ages to produce in face of corporate adversity.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    benjs said:
    I'm very curious to see what precedence Warren feels can be used to apply a ceiling to capitalism, and what slanderous campaigns would be produced by large corporations and their lobbies. Even anti-trust laws must have taken ages to produce in face of corporate adversity.
    Stemming runaway capitalism seems like an insurmountable task, doesn't it?  She's up for a tough battle, for sure.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    So then you are fine with not receiving any Social Security or Medicare when you retire. Those are programs that are about as big government and socialist (yes socialist) as you can get. So if you really are passionate about your statement, you will opt out of that I'm sure. 
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    I’m not a warren fan. But I’m going to give this some time and think about it more before saying 1) it’s awful and big government 2) it’s terrific and needed...death to the corporations. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    Jason P said:
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
    You're probably aware of the other problems with Amazon, Jason, but I think they are worth noting:  The fact that they have to power to dodge the taxes other retailers must pay, the fact that they basically run sweatshops (poor treatment of employees), and the fact that Bezos has made it a personal (and I can only imagine a vindictive and mean spirited) goal to shut down all other bookstores.  I have a life-time boycott of them and all their subsidiaries.  Minuscule though it may be, that's my little contribution to breaking up a major powers.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    brianlux said:
    Jason P said:
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
    You're probably aware of the other problems with Amazon, Jason, but I think they are worth noting:  The fact that they have to power to dodge the taxes other retailers must pay, the fact that they basically run sweatshops (poor treatment of employees), and the fact that Bezos has made it a personal (and I can only imagine a vindictive and mean spirited) goal to shut down all other bookstores.  I have a life-time boycott of them and all their subsidiaries.  Minuscule though it may be, that's my little contribution to breaking up a major powers.
    Sweatshops? I’ve read some of the reports, which are disputed by the way. There have been a few concerning piece that would be awful but I’m not sure sweatshops is accurate.

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