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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    OnWis97 said:
    Might have a chance against Trump:
    • Beto O'Rourke:  Most Obama-like in terms of a personality that will attract moderate voters (and voters in general to hit the polls).

    No chance against Trump:
    • Booker 
    • Buttigieg 
    • Castro 
    • Delaney 
    • Gabbart 
    • Gillibrand 
    • Harris 
    • Hickenlooper 
    • Inslee 
    • Klobuchar
    • Sanders 
    • Warren 
    • Williamson
    • Weld
    • Yang
    • Joe Biden
    • The Starbucks guy with the "I want my taxes lower" platform.
    Compelling argument.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    OnWis97 said:
    Might have a chance against Trump:
    • Beto O'Rourke:  Most Obama-like in terms of a personality that will attract moderate voters (and voters in general to hit the polls).

    No chance against Trump:
    • Booker 
    • Buttigieg 
    • Castro 
    • Delaney 
    • Gabbart 
    • Gillibrand 
    • Harris 
    • Hickenlooper 
    • Inslee 
    • Klobuchar
    • Sanders 
    • Warren 
    • Williamson
    • Weld
    • Yang
    • Joe Biden
    • The Starbucks guy with the "I want my taxes lower" platform.
    Might have a chance against Trump:
    • Beto O'Rourke:  Most Obama-like in terms of a personality that will attract moderate voters (and voters in general to hit the polls).
    • Biden
    • Bernie

    No chance against Trump:
    • Booker 
    • Buttigieg 
    • Castro 
    • Delaney 
    • Gabbart 
    • Gillibrand 
    • Harris 
    • Hickenlooper 
    • Inslee 
    • Klobuchar
    • Warren 
    • Williamson
    • Weld
    • Yang
    • The Starbucks guy with the "I want my taxes lower" platform.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Why wouldn't Booker have a chance?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I saw today that polling of favourites among Dems  has Biden at 27%, Bernie at 25%, Warren at I think 9%, Harris close to that, and all the others trailing around 5% or less. Of course, Biden hasn’t even declared yet, nor have several other people on the list, but he’s expected to. 

    So, is Biden/Sanders a winning ticket? Could they even work together? Is Biden/Warren or Biden/Harris a better bet, for wider appeal? I have no idea, and early days and all that, but I’m wondering. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    oftenreading said:
    I saw today that polling of favourites among Dems  has Biden at 27%, Bernie at 25%, Warren at I think 9%, Harris close to that, and all the others trailing around 5% or less. Of course, Biden hasn’t even declared yet, nor have several other people on the list, but he’s expected to. 

    So, is Biden/Sanders a winning ticket? Could they even work together? Is Biden/Warren or Biden/Harris a better bet, for wider appeal? I have no idea, and early days and all that, but I’m wondering. 
    Warren is too controversial I think.  Moderates will be turned off by her.  I know I am, especially after that idiotic declaration that she wants to break up Amazon, Google and Facebook.  No thanks.  Harris is a good fit and I think Booker is too.  I don't think there is room for Biden and Sanders on the same ticket.  Neither will be a #2.  
    What I like about Biden is that he's fully vetted and all the 'issues' with him are already in the public sphere, I would think.  He would have received the gamut of oppo research during the two election cycles with Obama.  So his floor of support is pretty high.  Plus you would think Barrack and Michelle would actively support him, considering how close they all became.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited March 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Why wouldn't Booker have a chance?
    He lacks the genuine charm of Obama or Beto. Doesn't come off as honest. Just angry.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    I think a  Biden Bernie ticket would be interesting. Bernie obviously would have to be in the vp spot. I think he would do it. Think of the ground they would be able to cover while campaigning. They would both draw huge crowds at rallies and that would reach a lot of voters. Would be like a 2 for 1.
    If Biden/Bernie is as close as  Hillary/Bernie were in 2016, Biden would have to offer the vp to Bernie, right?

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Why wouldn't Booker have a chance?
    He lacks the genuine charm of Obama or Beto. Doesn't come off as honest. Just angry.
    Are you sure you're on the right person? I think he comes off as genuinely pleasant.  He's a good dude
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Hi! said:
    I think a  Biden Bernie ticket would be interesting. Bernie obviously would have to be in the vp spot. I think he would do it. Think of the ground they would be able to cover while campaigning. They would both draw huge crowds at rallies and that would reach a lot of voters. Would be like a 2 for 1.
    If Biden/Bernie is as close as  Hillary/Bernie were in 2016, Biden would have to offer the vp to Bernie, right?
    Yeah, Bernie would have to be VP, because I doubt Biden is interested in that spot again. Would he do it, though? And that certainly doesn’t reassure those wanting a one term Biden and then a passing of the torch to a younger nominee. 
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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    I think his “anger” comes off as a little forced like he’s putting on a show a little bit. I think when people get to know him he’ll be more likable. I don’t mind angry though, we need passion and intensity. A fighter if you will.

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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited March 2019
    oftenreading said:
    Hi! said:
    I think a  Biden Bernie ticket would be interesting. Bernie obviously would have to be in the vp spot. I think he would do it. Think of the ground they would be able to cover while campaigning. They would both draw huge crowds at rallies and that would reach a lot of voters. Would be like a 2 for 1.
    If Biden/Bernie is as close as  Hillary/Bernie were in 2016, Biden would have to offer the vp to Bernie, right?
    Yeah, Bernie would have to be VP, because I doubt Biden is interested in that spot again. Would he do it, though? And that certainly doesn’t reassure those wanting a one term Biden and then a passing of the torch to a younger nominee. 

    The whole Biden one term thing makes no sense. If he is just,  “handing over the baton after one term” to the vp, or whoever, why wouldn’t the voters just pick that person now? It’s like Biden is gonna be the middle man. 
    I have no idea if Bernie would do it. I think he would. Why not?
    Biden obviously isn’t going to be vp again. That is a hilarious thought though. Biden lifetime vp appointment, lol.
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  • Hi!
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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Can Obama run as vp? Just curious.

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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    We might have to put the past behind us and go with Beto. 
    I haven’t seen enough of him to form much of an opinion except for 15 minutes of the first debate against Cruz. I thought Cruz killed him in the little I saw. I do remember seeing or reading about the second debate and Beto faired much better because he actually fought back. I’ll maybe rewatch the debates to form a better opinion on how I think he would fair in a national race. He ain’t no Obama, but if we get Beto from debate #2, he could be a challenger.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    The smart thing to do is go with which ever Dem has the greatest chance of beating Trump.  Why on earth that doesn't include "any of the above" is beyond me, but it's not so I hope one of them has a strong chance.  My gut feeling is Biden has the best chance as it stands right now.  Polls seem to indicate he's the most popular at this point.  But there's a long way to go.  2020 is, after all, still almost two years away.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Hi! said:
    Can Obama run as vp? Just curious.
    No. If I remember CNN correctly. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Why wouldn't Booker have a chance?
    He lacks the genuine charm of Obama or Beto. Doesn't come off as honest. Just angry.
    Are you sure you're on the right person? I think he comes off as genuinely pleasant.  He's a good dude
    I'm a pro at reading people. 

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/01/thirteen-democrats-just-stopped-bernie-sanders-ame.html
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited March 2019
    Hi! said:
    I think his “anger” comes off as a little forced like he’s putting on a show a little bit. I think when people get to know him he’ll be more likable. I don’t mind angry though, we need passion and intensity. A fighter if you will.
    You need to feel the person behind the anger is genuine, but at you say it comes off as theater. All rhetoric - no passion.

    I think Obama, Beto, Bernie, Warren and Biden comes off as a lot more neutral.

    But that's just my impression.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114

    Definitely a gray area:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/former-president-becomes-vice-president/

    The Founding Fathers placed no limits in the U.S. Constitution regarding how many times any one person could be elected (or otherwise serve) as President of the United States. However, in 1947 (after Franklin D. Roosevelt had broken with tradition and the Democrats won five consecutive presidential elections), Congress passed the 22nd amendment, ratified by the requisite number of states in 1951, which created a two-term limit for future Presidents. That amendment (along with earlier constitutional restrictions) would seem to disqualify Barack Obama from ever again attaining the office of President or Vice President of the United States, as he was elected to, and served, two full terms in that office between 2009 and 2017.

    However, the wording of the 22nd Amendment doesn’t literally say that no one can be President for more than two terms; only that no one can be elected President more than twice.

    Presumably this still leaves open the loophole (intended or not) that one who had already been elected twice could still serve as President again by attaining that office through other means — particularly, by being elected or appointed Vice-President (and thus becoming next in the line of presidential succession) when the sitting President dies, becomes incapacitated, or resigns.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited March 2019
    mcgruff10 said:

    Definitely a gray area:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/former-president-becomes-vice-president/

    The Founding Fathers placed no limits in the U.S. Constitution regarding how many times any one person could be elected (or otherwise serve) as President of the United States. However, in 1947 (after Franklin D. Roosevelt had broken with tradition and the Democrats won five consecutive presidential elections), Congress passed the 22nd amendment, ratified by the requisite number of states in 1951, which created a two-term limit for future Presidents. That amendment (along with earlier constitutional restrictions) would seem to disqualify Barack Obama from ever again attaining the office of President or Vice President of the United States, as he was elected to, and served, two full terms in that office between 2009 and 2017.

    However, the wording of the 22nd Amendment doesn’t literally say that no one can be President for more than two terms; only that no one can be elected President more than twice.

    Presumably this still leaves open the loophole (intended or not) that one who had already been elected twice could still serve as President again by attaining that office through other means — particularly, by being elected or appointed Vice-President (and thus becoming next in the line of presidential succession) when the sitting President dies, becomes incapacitated, or resigns.

    America again with it's weird and badly written laws.

    "We don't know if Trump can be arrested while being President" etc etc.

    This is Ross and Rachel level of interpretation:



    "Be elected two times" or "Be the president for more than two terms" - it should be pretty clear what the people figuring out the rule meant?

    (Would be cool to have Obama Bidens VP with the soul purpose of Biden wanting the US to get another term of Obama)
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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