The Democratic Candidates

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

HughFreakingDillon

my god. if a commie like bernie were to become president, the right would melt down into oblivion. 

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

benjs

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

BS, I more meant should Sanders win, what you think would occur socially in America. Whether there'd be a 'left wave' that eventually is replaced by another 'right wave', or whether the move to the left is something you see as the natural trajectory of the society. I know that's a tough one to answer, but I respect your opinions and am very curious to hear what you think could come next.

As for the Bernie over Biden comment, I agree. Whether permanent or temporary, the DNC seems to be preaching an attempt to pursue their progressive agenda and abandon their neoliberal one. 

Edit: I just wish we could compromise closer to center and stop swinging from polar extreme to polar extreme.

dignin

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

BS, I more meant should Sanders win, what you think would occur socially in America. Whether there'd be a 'left wave' that eventually is replaced by another 'right wave', or whether the move to the left is something you see as the natural trajectory of the society. I know that's a tough one to answer, but I respect your opinions and am very curious to hear what you think could come next.

As for the Bernie over Biden comment, I agree. Whether permanent or temporary, the DNC seems to be preaching an attempt to pursue their progressive agenda and abandon their neoliberal one. 

Edit: I just wish we could compromise closer to center and stop swinging from polar extreme to polar extreme.

As a Canadian you surely can understand that Bernie is not a polar extreme.

OnWis97

HughFreakingDillon said:

my god. if a commie like bernie were to become president, the right would melt down into oblivion. 

#ownthecons

PJ_Soul

dignin said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

BS, I more meant should Sanders win, what you think would occur socially in America. Whether there'd be a 'left wave' that eventually is replaced by another 'right wave', or whether the move to the left is something you see as the natural trajectory of the society. I know that's a tough one to answer, but I respect your opinions and am very curious to hear what you think could come next.

As for the Bernie over Biden comment, I agree. Whether permanent or temporary, the DNC seems to be preaching an attempt to pursue their progressive agenda and abandon their neoliberal one. 

Edit: I just wish we could compromise closer to center and stop swinging from polar extreme to polar extreme.

As a Canadian you surely can understand that Bernie is not a polar extreme.

Right? Bernie would be a good NDP leader. He'd fit right in. And the NDP certainly are not considered extreme. They are a mainstream party. And Canada practices a lot of what Bernie preaches, either in part or in full, under no matter which party is in power.

Spiritual_Chaos

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

BS, I more meant should Sanders win, what you think would occur socially in America. Whether there'd be a 'left wave' that eventually is replaced by another 'right wave', or whether the move to the left is something you see as the natural trajectory of the society. I know that's a tough one to answer, but I respect your opinions and am very curious to hear what you think could come next.

As for the Bernie over Biden comment, I agree. Whether permanent or temporary, the DNC seems to be preaching an attempt to pursue their progressive agenda and abandon their neoliberal one. 

Edit: I just wish we could compromise closer to center and stop swinging from polar extreme to polar extreme.

The US doesn't have any "center". You have right winged and crazy-christian-gun-nut-right winged. 

All of you need some perspective, and get to the real "center". For the good of your country. This unicum of the crazy right wing mentality isn't good for you, or the world. 

BRING BACK COAL. 

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

BS, I more meant should Sanders win, what you think would occur socially in America. Whether there'd be a 'left wave' that eventually is replaced by another 'right wave', or whether the move to the left is something you see as the natural trajectory of the society. I know that's a tough one to answer, but I respect your opinions and am very curious to hear what you think could come next.

As for the Bernie over Biden comment, I agree. Whether permanent or temporary, the DNC seems to be preaching an attempt to pursue their progressive agenda and abandon their neoliberal one. 

Edit: I just wish we could compromise closer to center and stop swinging from polar extreme to polar extreme.

The US doesn't have any "center". You have right winged and crazy-christian-gun-nut-right winged. 

All of you need some perspective, and get to the real "center". For the good of your country. This unicum of the crazy right wing mentality isn't good for you, or the world. 

BRING BACK COAL. 

Uh yeah, sure buddy.  You've got it locked in there.  If only we could have a stellar economy like the rest of Europe.  Or maybe China's economy or Russia's.  No thanks, we're doing okay without shitty advice.  

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

BS, I more meant should Sanders win, what you think would occur socially in America. Whether there'd be a 'left wave' that eventually is replaced by another 'right wave', or whether the move to the left is something you see as the natural trajectory of the society. I know that's a tough one to answer, but I respect your opinions and am very curious to hear what you think could come next.

As for the Bernie over Biden comment, I agree. Whether permanent or temporary, the DNC seems to be preaching an attempt to pursue their progressive agenda and abandon their neoliberal one. 

Edit: I just wish we could compromise closer to center and stop swinging from polar extreme to polar extreme.

The US doesn't have any "center". You have right winged and crazy-christian-gun-nut-right winged. 

All of you need some perspective, and get to the real "center". For the good of your country. This unicum of the crazy right wing mentality isn't good for you, or the world. 

BRING BACK COAL. 

Uh yeah, sure buddy.  You've got it locked in there.  If only we could have a stellar economy like the rest of Europe.  Or maybe China's economy or Russia's.  No thanks, we're doing okay without shitty advice.  

I can see the satire. Good one.

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

BS, I more meant should Sanders win, what you think would occur socially in America. Whether there'd be a 'left wave' that eventually is replaced by another 'right wave', or whether the move to the left is something you see as the natural trajectory of the society. I know that's a tough one to answer, but I respect your opinions and am very curious to hear what you think could come next.

As for the Bernie over Biden comment, I agree. Whether permanent or temporary, the DNC seems to be preaching an attempt to pursue their progressive agenda and abandon their neoliberal one. 

Edit: I just wish we could compromise closer to center and stop swinging from polar extreme to polar extreme.

The US doesn't have any "center". You have right winged and crazy-christian-gun-nut-right winged. 

All of you need some perspective, and get to the real "center". For the good of your country. This unicum of the crazy right wing mentality isn't good for you, or the world. 

BRING BACK COAL. 

Uh yeah, sure buddy.  You've got it locked in there.  If only we could have a stellar economy like the rest of Europe.  Or maybe China's economy or Russia's.  No thanks, we're doing okay without shitty advice.  

I can see the satire. Good one.

That's sarcasm, not satire.  Just because we're right of you doesn't make you the center.  

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

@BS44325

You'll enjoy this.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

I'm not laughing...I believe he can win. 

I'm curious to hear - if you believe he can win, do you believe this is just the next pendulum swing and part of the typical cycle, or do you see this as a move to the left (or none of the above)?

Not part of the cycle per se because generally the incumbent candidate wins. Bush 41 was an exception in a three person race. Trump has that advantage built in as much as people here don't want to admit it. That being said I have written previously that Trump had to thread a needle last time and will have to thread the very same needle again which will not be easy to do. I don't think he'll pick up another state that he didn't win before. New Hampshire is a maybe but I think Bernie blocks him there. So It is essentially a battle for Wisconsin no matter who the Democratic candidate is. That means if Bernie can win the nomination (which I think he will based on the current field) then he can win the general.

All true, but there's nothing that says that Biden can't run the same strategy.  He'll be stronger in PA than Bernie (and Trump) and he the right attitude for WI and MI too.  I fear Ohio is gone.  

I agree but I think the Dem base will want a Bernie over Biden.

BS, I more meant should Sanders win, what you think would occur socially in America. Whether there'd be a 'left wave' that eventually is replaced by another 'right wave', or whether the move to the left is something you see as the natural trajectory of the society. I know that's a tough one to answer, but I respect your opinions and am very curious to hear what you think could come next.

As for the Bernie over Biden comment, I agree. Whether permanent or temporary, the DNC seems to be preaching an attempt to pursue their progressive agenda and abandon their neoliberal one. 

Edit: I just wish we could compromise closer to center and stop swinging from polar extreme to polar extreme.

The US doesn't have any "center". You have right winged and crazy-christian-gun-nut-right winged. 

All of you need some perspective, and get to the real "center". For the good of your country. This unicum of the crazy right wing mentality isn't good for you, or the world. 

BRING BACK COAL. 

Uh yeah, sure buddy.  You've got it locked in there.  If only we could have a stellar economy like the rest of Europe.  Or maybe China's economy or Russia's.  No thanks, we're doing okay without shitty advice.  

I can see the satire. Good one.

That's sarcasm, not satire.  Just because we're right of you doesn't make you the center.  

You sound just like the people on Fox and Friends! Five out of five Star satire!



:P 

Hi!

Trump seems mesmerized by Betos hands. 

Hi!

I see the hand thing was brought up in the Donald thread. Anyway, I finally seen the video I think he was referencing. I would agree he really was  waving those hands around. 
I don’t get the hype around Beto. Can someone help me understand? No way I’m voting for this dude in primary. Sorry, just a feeling.

PJ_Soul

Hi! said:

I see the hand thing was brought up in the Donald thread. Anyway, I finally seen the video I think he was referencing. I would agree he really was  waving those hands around. 
I don’t get the hype around Beto. Can someone help me understand? No way I’m voting for this dude in primary. Sorry, just a feeling.

I don't really know. He seems pretty conservative to me, politically. I was all for him beating Cruz, but I'll be pretty disappointed if he becomes the nominee for POTUS. I'm surprised the Reps who don't like Trump aren't in love with this guy. They are always talking about wanting a centrist. Well, here's your centrist. So what is the problem? I guess they just hate air drums.

Hi!

Yeah, I don’t know either. Beto always seems like he’s on the verge of crying or something. I probably shouldn’t throw my opinions around without having seen more from him, but I don’t think he has what it takes to be President. It’s like he lacks confidence or something. 

PJ_Soul

Hi! said:

Yeah, I don’t know either. Beto always seems like he’s on the verge of crying or something. I probably shouldn’t throw my opinions around without having seen more from him, but I don’t think he has what it takes to be President. It’s like he lacks confidence or something. 

Oh. I don't think that about him at all. It's his actual politics that I don't favour. I think his personality is just fine. He's quite likeable, and I think he has a really good level of confidence, and he handles the public very well. Not insecure at all, but he doesn't come off as arrogant either. If he was farther left I'd like him just fine.

Hi!

PJ_Soul said:

Hi! said:

Yeah, I don’t know either. Beto always seems like he’s on the verge of crying or something. I probably shouldn’t throw my opinions around without having seen more from him, but I don’t think he has what it takes to be President. It’s like he lacks confidence or something. 

Oh. I don't think that about him at all. It's his actual politics that I don't favour. I think his personality is just fine. He's quite likeable, and I think he has a really good level of confidence, and he handles the public very well. Not insecure at all, but he doesn't come off as arrogant either. If he was farther left I'd like him just fine.

What is your opinion on politics versus personality? I personally feel personality is going to get a candidate a lot further ahead than policy, especially in a primary where everyone is basically on the same “team”.

PJ_Soul

Hi! said:

PJ_Soul said:

Hi! said:

Yeah, I don’t know either. Beto always seems like he’s on the verge of crying or something. I probably shouldn’t throw my opinions around without having seen more from him, but I don’t think he has what it takes to be President. It’s like he lacks confidence or something. 

Oh. I don't think that about him at all. It's his actual politics that I don't favour. I think his personality is just fine. He's quite likeable, and I think he has a really good level of confidence, and he handles the public very well. Not insecure at all, but he doesn't come off as arrogant either. If he was farther left I'd like him just fine.

What is your opinion on politics versus personality? I personally feel personality is going to get a candidate a lot further ahead than policy, especially in a primary where everyone is basically on the same “team”.

I care about both, but policy is WAY more important than personality when it comes to who I vote for personally. But a successful politician needs both. I don't think any of the candidates would get to this point without a personality that works for them as politicians.... Everyone choosing personality over policy can only lead to problems. When that happens, any country is getting themselves into some long term trouble IMO.

Hi!

PJ_Soul said:

Hi! said:

PJ_Soul said:

Hi! said:

Yeah, I don’t know either. Beto always seems like he’s on the verge of crying or something. I probably shouldn’t throw my opinions around without having seen more from him, but I don’t think he has what it takes to be President. It’s like he lacks confidence or something. 

Oh. I don't think that about him at all. It's his actual politics that I don't favour. I think his personality is just fine. He's quite likeable, and I think he has a really good level of confidence, and he handles the public very well. Not insecure at all, but he doesn't come off as arrogant either. If he was farther left I'd like him just fine.

What is your opinion on politics versus personality? I personally feel personality is going to get a candidate a lot further ahead than policy, especially in a primary where everyone is basically on the same “team”.

I care about both, but policy is WAY more important than personality when it comes to who I vote for personally. But a successful politician needs both. I don't think any of the candidates would get to this point without a personality that works for them as politicians.... Everyone choosing personality over policy can only lead to problems. When that happens, any country is getting themselves into some long term trouble IMO.

Absolutely