2020 Tour Rumor Thread

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  • inhiding 1976
    inhiding 1976 NWI Posts: 580
    edited March 2019
    Probably not touring, but if they were to tour I would love to see them in Grand Rapids again.  
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,978
    Vedd Hedd said:
    This one time, my kid wanted me to help put a lego set together, and I said, "Ok, lets do that when we get home."   Later that day, we got home, and I was too tired.  And I said, "Hey, i know i said we would do this tonight, but Im tired, lets just watch a movie instead."   Kid was a bit upset, but we put it together a few days later. 

    Point, they can say what they want, and have the ability to change their minds.  I'm not being an "apologist" here, as I really REALLY need some new music, and would love an actual arena tour.   And I am frustrated.   But, they have been playing music for 30+ years.  There have been some rough times lately, with deaths and tragedies.  They have families, they have security.   Shit just happens sometimes and plans change. 

    It seems they had some loose plans for some stuff, and it didnt come together yet, but I'm sure it will at some point.  


    In your example, you set the record straight with your kid immediately, you clarified your original comment and you explained why. Then you completed your stated task a few days later. 

    Also "forthcoming" and "some loose stuff" have completely different meanings.

    Also, tweeting out that arena picture calm before the storm, in context with the forthcoming announcement was especially harsh.

    Its one thing to be silent or mysterious about future plans. Its another thing to do what they did.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    rummy said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    PJNB said:
    I know what concert I will be going to this year. First albums played front to back. 


    Nice. Would be even better if OLP played “clumsy” in its entirety also. 
    OLP's first album is better than Clumsy.

    Naveed is the best song they ever wrote.. easily
    I always liked Starseed.
    The first 5 songs on Naveed where great. The B side was good to but just not the same. Clumsy had two of my favourite OLP songs with Big Dumb Rocket and 4am and overall was a better album imo front to back. 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,601
    The forthcoming album comment is on the band. Reading anything into the calm before the storm tweet is on the fans. They came months apart and had nothing to do with one another.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
    I'm the OLP hipster that likes Happiness... The second half of that record is fantastic. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,978
    pjl44 said:
    I'm the OLP hipster that likes Happiness... The second half of that record is fantastic. 


    The Mike Turner era as a body of work was excellent. Since Gravity, just not as good for me.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,978
    JimmyV said:
    The forthcoming album comment is on the band. Reading anything into the calm before the storm tweet is on the fans. They came months apart and had nothing to do with one another.

    I said "in context." Plenty of fans were warning at the time it meant nothing. Which begs an obvious question about the need for a tweet like that, especially considering the band raised expectations for an imminent album release.


  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,978
    Alt Nation is reporting doom and gloom about Ed's illness last year in London. 

    Sometimes its as simple as Occam's Razor
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    Man I hope they announce some tour dates or release something soon because this is the most disinterested I have ever been.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pledgeagrievance
    pledgeagrievance Posts: 2,874
    pjl44 said:
    I'm the OLP hipster that likes Happiness... The second half of that record is fantastic. 
    By far my fav OLP record. Listened to it nonstop back then. 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,601
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The forthcoming album comment is on the band. Reading anything into the calm before the storm tweet is on the fans. They came months apart and had nothing to do with one another.

    I said "in context." Plenty of fans were warning at the time it meant nothing. Which begs an obvious question about the need for a tweet like that, especially considering the band raised expectations for an imminent album release.


    The expectation for an imminent album release came months before. The tweet had nothing at all to do with it. Expecting whoever runs their social media to connect the two just because you have is an unrealistic expectation. At no point did one ever have anything to do with the other.
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  • DM282158
    DM282158 Beverly, MA Posts: 658
    mcgruff10 said:
    Man I hope they announce some tour dates or release something soon because this is the most disinterested I have ever been.
    I hear ya man. 
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  • Lost In Ohio
    Lost In Ohio Posts: 7,266
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Lost In Ohio said:
    whoanelly15 said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJNB said:
    JimmyV said:
    The bright side is always that if there won't be any touring then maybe there will be some recording.
    Honestly I think most of us thought 2017 was the year for that with 2018 being the album touring year. I hope you are right this time. 
    I know I did. I'm still kind of shocked they weren't finishing up the album last fall.
    I think that the impact of Chris’ death on all of this is being seriously underestimated. Unfortunately, a lot of things changed when he passed. Plans, inspirations, motivations... I can only imagine how bad this hurt all of them. I just hope that they are (or will) find the creative and recording process to be positive, maybe even healing. I am sure that will be part of what any new music gives us fans, whenever it comes. 

    To me, this might be the most logical explanation for why Can’t Deny Me was released as the first single for a forthcoming new album, only to have the whole concept completely change course. Time will tell. I’m just glad we have time and that Mike, Stone, Matt, Jeff and Eddie are all healthy and (hopefully) happy. And Boom! Sorry, Boom. 



    Here's what I think.

    The Bataclan attack changed their plans for 2016. Apparently, they had a European summer 2016 tour all lined up and then canceled it when the attacks happen. We know this. The east coast 2016 tour wasn't supposed to happen. (Maybe Fenway and Wrigley, but certainly not Florida, South Carolina, Bonnaroo, Telluride, etc.)

    Chris died in May 2017. We saw Eddie on stage in Europe that summer. Obviously, it messed him up.

    Perhaps there's an alternate universe:
    The Bataclan doesn't get attacked. Pearl Jam does Europe in June/July 2016, then they come home and do Wrigley and Fenway. Chris doesn't die and LP2 is released a few months later in September 2017. Soundgarden does their US 2017 tour, Matt takes a few months off, Can't Deny Me is released with the new album and US tour in summer 2018, similar to 2013.

    And it's not just Eddie, but Matt was in Detroit and on stage that night.

    We also know that the band has been in a gradual wind-down since Backspacer. Remember the rumor about the 5-8 song EP as a quick follow-up? That lead into PJ20, a Brad tour, Ukulele Songs and a lot of other side project stuff?

    One of the biggest issues is that they don't have a label or corporate-level suits to appease. They don't need to keep their name out there by touring and releasing like they did in the 90s. They know they can do 2-3 shows per year and get fans from 10 different countries and 3-4 different continents.


    The CDM new album press release  was almost two and a half years after the Paris attacks. I agree that horrible attack threw their timing off but not sure how it impacted that March 2018 press release and it's inaccuracy thereafter.

    I believe most fans agree on their right to go as slow as they wish. But announcing a new album then not addressing that press release subsequently is not fair to the fans. Oh well life ain't fair.


    The Bataclan only affected the cancellation of the European tour with the addition of the US tour.

    As far as CDM...no idea.
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  • Lost In Ohio
    Lost In Ohio Posts: 7,266
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Alt Nation is reporting doom and gloom about Ed's illness last year in London. 

    Sometimes its as simple as Occam's Razor



    "Reporting."

    Ha.
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  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    mcgruff10 said:
    Man I hope they announce some tour dates or release something soon because this is the most disinterested I have ever been.
    Much like me, Mike, you're here every day! I think you are still pretty interested. ;-)
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,978
    JimmyV said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The forthcoming album comment is on the band. Reading anything into the calm before the storm tweet is on the fans. They came months apart and had nothing to do with one another.

    I said "in context." Plenty of fans were warning at the time it meant nothing. Which begs an obvious question about the need for a tweet like that, especially considering the band raised expectations for an imminent album release.


    The expectation for an imminent album release came months before. The tweet had nothing at all to do with it. Expecting whoever runs their social media to connect the two just because you have is an unrealistic expectation. At no point did one ever have anything to do with the other.

    I expect them to be aware what they are communicating to their fans, especially after they announced a new single from their forthcoming album, then offered no follow up confirmation nor denial. And then Ed says on stage they are heading into the studio.


    Then vague tease like that tweet - An empty arena in anticipation of a show, on the heels of a new single and promised album. 

    The timeline speaks for itself.

    -----

    March: "single from forthcoming album"

    Spring/Summer: 26 date tour wrapping with the heading into the studio comment at the end

    Fall/Early Winter: Anticipated album news (given no update nor denial  issued by the band)...with perhaps supporting tour announced a few months after release


    ----> calm before the storm <----


    Jan 2019: "we have some stuff, but we're in limbo"

    ....

    Move Jan 2019 to earlier in the timeline and I believe that would have been fair. In other words, the forthcoming album comment seems valid until they say anything otherwise, which they didn't until Jan.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,138
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The forthcoming album comment is on the band. Reading anything into the calm before the storm tweet is on the fans. They came months apart and had nothing to do with one another.

    I said "in context." Plenty of fans were warning at the time it meant nothing. Which begs an obvious question about the need for a tweet like that, especially considering the band raised expectations for an imminent album release.


    The expectation for an imminent album release came months before. The tweet had nothing at all to do with it. Expecting whoever runs their social media to connect the two just because you have is an unrealistic expectation. At no point did one ever have anything to do with the other.

    I expect them to be aware what they are communicating to their fans, especially after they announced a new single from their forthcoming album, then offered no follow up confirmation nor denial. And then Ed says on stage they are heading into the studio.


    Then vague tease like that tweet - An empty arena in anticipation of a show, on the heels of a new single and promised album. 

    The timeline speaks for itself.

    -----

    March: "single from forthcoming album"

    Spring/Summer: 26 date tour wrapping with the heading into the studio comment at the end

    Fall/Early Winter: Anticipated album news (given no update nor denial  issued by the band)...with perhaps supporting tour announced a few months after release


    ----> calm before the storm <----


    Jan 2019: "we have some stuff, but we're in limbo"

    ....

    Move Jan 2019 to earlier in the timeline and I believe that would have been fair. In other words, the forthcoming album comment seems valid until they say anything otherwise, which they didn't until Jan.
    Overthinking. Things change. There is no urgency or obligation to clarify things if they take a different direction.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,260
    They are not a current band. They are a legacy act.    A damn good legacy act with amazing live shows, but it is beyond official at this point.   Just accept it.   Current bands release more than one record every six years. 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,601
    edited March 2019
    Get_Right said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The forthcoming album comment is on the band. Reading anything into the calm before the storm tweet is on the fans. They came months apart and had nothing to do with one another.

    I said "in context." Plenty of fans were warning at the time it meant nothing. Which begs an obvious question about the need for a tweet like that, especially considering the band raised expectations for an imminent album release.


    The expectation for an imminent album release came months before. The tweet had nothing at all to do with it. Expecting whoever runs their social media to connect the two just because you have is an unrealistic expectation. At no point did one ever have anything to do with the other.

    I expect them to be aware what they are communicating to their fans, especially after they announced a new single from their forthcoming album, then offered no follow up confirmation nor denial. And then Ed says on stage they are heading into the studio.


    Then vague tease like that tweet - An empty arena in anticipation of a show, on the heels of a new single and promised album. 

    The timeline speaks for itself.

    -----

    March: "single from forthcoming album"

    Spring/Summer: 26 date tour wrapping with the heading into the studio comment at the end

    Fall/Early Winter: Anticipated album news (given no update nor denial  issued by the band)...with perhaps supporting tour announced a few months after release


    ----> calm before the storm <----


    Jan 2019: "we have some stuff, but we're in limbo"

    ....

    Move Jan 2019 to earlier in the timeline and I believe that would have been fair. In other words, the forthcoming album comment seems valid until they say anything otherwise, which they didn't until Jan.
    Overthinking. Things change. There is no urgency or obligation to clarify things if they take a different direction.
    And some things stay the same. I don't disagree that describing a new album that isn't close to being finished as "forthcoming" was a mistake. But, this is the same band and management that teased Big, Bold and Free without having any firm plan for how to pull it off. This kind of loose communication about even looser plans isn't new.
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,138
    JimmyV said:
    Get_Right said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The forthcoming album comment is on the band. Reading anything into the calm before the storm tweet is on the fans. They came months apart and had nothing to do with one another.

    I said "in context." Plenty of fans were warning at the time it meant nothing. Which begs an obvious question about the need for a tweet like that, especially considering the band raised expectations for an imminent album release.


    The expectation for an imminent album release came months before. The tweet had nothing at all to do with it. Expecting whoever runs their social media to connect the two just because you have is an unrealistic expectation. At no point did one ever have anything to do with the other.

    I expect them to be aware what they are communicating to their fans, especially after they announced a new single from their forthcoming album, then offered no follow up confirmation nor denial. And then Ed says on stage they are heading into the studio.


    Then vague tease like that tweet - An empty arena in anticipation of a show, on the heels of a new single and promised album. 

    The timeline speaks for itself.

    -----

    March: "single from forthcoming album"

    Spring/Summer: 26 date tour wrapping with the heading into the studio comment at the end

    Fall/Early Winter: Anticipated album news (given no update nor denial  issued by the band)...with perhaps supporting tour announced a few months after release


    ----> calm before the storm <----


    Jan 2019: "we have some stuff, but we're in limbo"

    ....

    Move Jan 2019 to earlier in the timeline and I believe that would have been fair. In other words, the forthcoming album comment seems valid until they say anything otherwise, which they didn't until Jan.
    Overthinking. Things change. There is no urgency or obligation to clarify things if they take a different direction.
    And some things stay the same. I don't disagree that describing a new album that isn't close to being finished as "forthcoming" was a mistake. But, this is the same band and management that teased Big, Bold and Free without having any firm plan for how to pull it off. This kind of loose communication about even looser plans isn't new.
    EXACTLY.  Nothing is certain with this band until it actually happens. And the album, could in theory, still be forthcoming.  

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