I'd like to see some eastern cities they haven't played since 2003-2006 get shows, like Albany and Saratoga. They haven't been back to Montreal since 2011.
Heck, they've barely been to CANADA since 2011.
Not entirely true. They played Pemberton (Vancouver), Quebec City, Toronto and Ottawa. Other then the odd band that does a full blown Canadian tour that's fairly average. BC, Ontario, and Quebec
In 8 years they have done 7 shows in Canada and only visited 2 out of those 8 years. I would say they have barely been to Canada with those numbers by Pearl Jam standards.
Don't forget about London (which happens since no official bootleg).
Damn forgot about that one. It was going to be my first PJ show too but could not get work off. Awesome show from friends that went to it.
I'd like to see some eastern cities they haven't played since 2003-2006 get shows, like Albany and Saratoga. They haven't been back to Montreal since 2011.
Heck, they've barely been to CANADA since 2011.
Not entirely true. They played Pemberton (Vancouver), Quebec City, Toronto and Ottawa. Other then the odd band that does a full blown Canadian tour that's fairly average. BC, Ontario, and Quebec
In 8 years they have done 7 shows in Canada and only visited 2 out of those 8 years. I would say they have barely been to Canada with those numbers by Pearl Jam standards.
Don't forget about London (which happens since no official bootleg).
Damn forgot about that one. It was going to be my first PJ show too but could not get work off. Awesome show from friends that went to it.
London 2013 was my first PJ show! Far from my last though.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
That was amazing! I was in and sitting and then he started and the amount of people that were not in was crazy,but once they figured it out it was a stampede to the grass and seats. Still one of favorite shows was at the amphitheatre when they were doing there encore and fireworks were going off.
I'd like to see some eastern cities they haven't played since 2003-2006 get shows, like Albany and Saratoga. They haven't been back to Montreal since 2011.
Heck, they've barely been to CANADA since 2011.
Barely? They played 5 shows in CANADA in 2016.
Extrapolating population, that's equivalent to 50 US shows in one year.
In the last 27 years...Thats happened ONLY twice, in 1998 and 2003.
So not bad CANADA, getting more shows than US, with respect to population.
Population has nothing to do with it though imo since they will always have great sales with shows here. Canada is the second biggest country in the world. I am Canadian and a show in Vancouver is a 54 hour drive away from me. Is that a home show? From 2012 to 2019 I have had 1 show that was a 7hr drive from me and that was the closest.
Yes Canada is a great vast nation, but with PJ it's about limited access to tickets
Within a 4 hour drive of my home market we have the approximate population of Canada and Australia combined.
Although they play NYC more than other places (other than Bos & Chi) the demand for tickets here and lack of ticket availability is unrivaled by any other market.
Red rocks is a bucket list venue for me. Would make the trip if PJ played there. Plus legal weed. Just like California. No withdrawal for me. Lol
Beautiful venue but if I'm ever back no way am I dealing with GA again
That whole place is essentially GA. No seats, no security.
I've had friends buy in the reserved section and not report any weirdness. Have you experienced something else?
It's very chill, but almost to a fault. There are no seats, it's just stone steps with seat numbers written on them, so by the end, everybody has funneled down. If someone pays a premium for a ticket in the front 10 rows and expects to have their own reserved space without infringement, it could get rough.
The one show I went to there, the reserved section was like 1/3 of the way up. Everything in front and behind was GA.
There was the usual GA horseshit with early lineups and people cutting in last minute. Then we get in and people start laying out giant sheets and blankets and duct taping them to the benches to claim space for all their friends. Fuuuuuuuuuck that. Fun to go once...glad it's not my local...that shit would drive me crazy.
I was there for MMJ a few weeks ago and can confirm this. GA is a nightmare due to the way it's set up with the benches. If it was a lawn with the same square footage there would be plenty of room for everyone. Definitely worth going, but get an assigned seat even if it's up high - the higher you go the better the scenery, so it's a nice trade-off.
MMJ for me, too, but 2015
I was there for MMJ 2016 and found the same. Very chill but too much. No security, everyone spread out everywhere. They should definitely be a little more strict. It’s a destination spot. It’s a shame that the seating aspect is annoying.
That was amazing! I was in and sitting and then he started and the amount of people that were not in was crazy,but once they figured it out it was a stampede to the grass and seats. Still one of favorite shows was at the amphitheatre when they were doing there encore and fireworks were going off.
was the "opener" on the bootleg?
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
That was amazing! I was in and sitting and then he started and the amount of people that were not in was crazy,but once they figured it out it was a stampede to the grass and seats. Still one of favorite shows was at the amphitheatre when they were doing there encore and fireworks were going off.
Red rocks is a bucket list venue for me. Would make the trip if PJ played there. Plus legal weed. Just like California. No withdrawal for me. Lol
Beautiful venue but if I'm ever back no way am I dealing with GA again
That whole place is essentially GA. No seats, no security.
I've had friends buy in the reserved section and not report any weirdness. Have you experienced something else?
It's very chill, but almost to a fault. There are no seats, it's just stone steps with seat numbers written on them, so by the end, everybody has funneled down. If someone pays a premium for a ticket in the front 10 rows and expects to have their own reserved space without infringement, it could get rough.
Red rocks is a bucket list venue for me. Would make the trip if PJ played there. Plus legal weed. Just like California. No withdrawal for me. Lol
Beautiful venue but if I'm ever back no way am I dealing with GA again
That whole place is essentially GA. No seats, no security.
I've had friends buy in the reserved section and not report any weirdness. Have you experienced something else?
It's very chill, but almost to a fault. There are no seats, it's just stone steps with seat numbers written on them, so by the end, everybody has funneled down. If someone pays a premium for a ticket in the front 10 rows and expects to have their own reserved space without infringement, it could get rough.
Red rocks is a bucket list venue for me. Would make the trip if PJ played there. Plus legal weed. Just like California. No withdrawal for me. Lol
Beautiful venue but if I'm ever back no way am I dealing with GA again
That whole place is essentially GA. No seats, no security.
I've had friends buy in the reserved section and not report any weirdness. Have you experienced something else?
It's very chill, but almost to a fault. There are no seats, it's just stone steps with seat numbers written on them, so by the end, everybody has funneled down. If someone pays a premium for a ticket in the front 10 rows and expects to have their own reserved space without infringement, it could get rough.
Population has nothing to do with it though imo since they will always have great sales with shows here. Canada is the second biggest country in the world. I am Canadian and a show in Vancouver is a 54 hour drive away from me. Is that a home show? From 2012 to 2019 I have had 1 show that was a 7hr drive from me and that was the closest.
Population has a lot to do with it. Cities with bigger populations are more likely to have bigger venues, allow them to reach more fans, and have an easier time selling out concerts (given 20k seat arena's or 50k+ seat stadiums), and sell more tickets. If you're only going to play X amount of shows, these things are really important when choosing the places.
I live in Victoria. Vancouver Island has pretty much the same population as the province of New Brunswick. My particular city (if you count the larger area) has 350k people. Our best biggest indoor venue is our arena used for WHL hockey. I think if you sell the whole thing including the tickets behind the stage it's something like 6800 to 7000 tickets. I think that's fairly comparable to the Moncton Coliseum. That's enough to attract mid level bands. Bands on the way up, bands on the way down, artists that broke free for solo careers, or bands that tour too much. It's not big enough to attract bands that can sell out 20k NHL/NBA Arenas or 50k+ Stadiums. I hold no hope that PJ would ever play here. I know we're a small market. I've grown up used to this. Any big show I wanted to see I've always had to travel to Vancouver or Seattle. Vancouver is 3.5 to 4 hours away. Seattle is 5 to 6 hours away. I always have to travel. It's small market economics.
I guess I feel at this point there's a million places PJ don't play and ahandful of places they do. Most fans are traveling these days. I feel I've got it pretty good with Seattle/Vancouver being my cities in travelling proximity. Still, when you live in a smaller place, with less people, you get less shows. Its a way of life. It's the downside of not living in a megatropolis. I thought most of use had resided to this. I feel way worse for the fans that don't live in North/South America or Europe. Those fans never get PJ shows that are in travel distance.
I don't think you have it that bad. You only mentioned the 7 hour show which I'm guessing was Quebec City. If you went south it's maybe 8 hours from New Brunswick to Boston? So that's really 5 shows in travel distance in the past 3 or so years. That's way better than many of our fellow PJ fans (anyone who doesn't live in North/South America or Europe). My shows are a bit closer but I've only had 3 shows in less than a 12 hour drive to me (Pemberton 16, Seattle 2018) in the same span of time. I don't really feel slighted they don't come to Victoria.
Didn’t we take a survey about how far we’d travel and what kind of material we liked for our shirts? Maybe our answers helped determine distance (along with size, availability, etc.). I’m probly way off..
Population has nothing to do with it though imo since they will always have great sales with shows here. Canada is the second biggest country in the world. I am Canadian and a show in Vancouver is a 54 hour drive away from me. Is that a home show? From 2012 to 2019 I have had 1 show that was a 7hr drive from me and that was the closest.
Population has a lot to do with it. Cities with bigger populations are more likely to have bigger venues, allow them to reach more fans, and have an easier time selling out concerts (given 20k seat arena's or 50k+ seat stadiums), and sell more tickets. If you're only going to play X amount of shows, these things are really important when choosing the places.
I live in Victoria. Vancouver Island has pretty much the same population as the province of New Brunswick. My particular city (if you count the larger area) has 350k people. Our best biggest indoor venue is our arena used for WHL hockey. I think if you sell the whole thing including the tickets behind the stage it's something like 6800 to 7000 tickets. I think that's fairly comparable to the Moncton Coliseum. That's enough to attract mid level bands. Bands on the way up, bands on the way down, artists that broke free for solo careers, or bands that tour too much. It's not big enough to attract bands that can sell out 20k NHL/NBA Arenas or 50k+ Stadiums. I hold no hope that PJ would ever play here. I know we're a small market. I've grown up used to this. Any big show I wanted to see I've always had to travel to Vancouver or Seattle. Vancouver is 3.5 to 4 hours away. Seattle is 5 to 6 hours away. I always have to travel. It's small market economics.
I guess I feel at this point there's a million places PJ don't play and ahandful of places they do. Most fans are traveling these days. I feel I've got it pretty good with Seattle/Vancouver being my cities in travelling proximity. Still, when you live in a smaller place, with less people, you get less shows. Its a way of life. It's the downside of not living in a megatropolis. I thought most of use had resided to this. I feel way worse for the fans that don't live in North/South America or Europe. Those fans never get PJ shows that are in travel distance.
I don't think you have it that bad. You only mentioned the 7 hour show which I'm guessing was Quebec City. If you went south it's maybe 8 hours from New Brunswick to Boston? So that's really 5 shows in travel distance in the past 3 or so years. That's way better than many of our fellow PJ fans (anyone who doesn't live in North/South America or Europe). My shows are a bit closer but I've only had 3 shows in less than a 12 hour drive to me (Pemberton 16, Seattle 2018) in the same span of time. I don't really feel slighted they don't come to Victoria.
Of course some have it worse. I have no major cities anywheres near me so that is part of the problem that I should have mentioned. All I am saying is it would be nice to get more shows up here. We love them and they seem to love playing here. I am just surprised we do not get more shows. I do not have it as bad as some but all I am saying is Canada is huge. We have plenty of cities that would sell out or be close to it if these guys came. Halifax, Moncton (only 10,000 so never going to happen but Magnetic Hill would get 40,000 plus I am guessing) Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Hamilton, London, Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver. Also they did not touch the east coast at all in 2013 which I found very odd.
I can drive to Boston yes and I do but they only get shitty ballpark shows lately.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Let's hope the "plans" are not just drinks and dinner next Thursday.
That comment was on Alt nation about 2 weeks ago
1996.....Toronto 2005.....Hamilton 2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton 2013.....London, Buffalo 2014.....Detroit 2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1 2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2 2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto 2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2 2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2 2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Red rocks is a bucket list venue for me. Would make the trip if PJ played there. Plus legal weed. Just like California. No withdrawal for me. Lol
Beautiful venue but if I'm ever back no way am I dealing with GA again
That whole place is essentially GA. No seats, no security.
I've had friends buy in the reserved section and not report any weirdness. Have you experienced something else?
It's very chill, but almost to a fault. There are no seats, it's just stone steps with seat numbers written on them, so by the end, everybody has funneled down. If someone pays a premium for a ticket in the front 10 rows and expects to have their own reserved space without infringement, it could get rough.
I have been to 13 shows at Red Rocks and the only seating issue I had was at a Widespread Panic show when a guy in a St Louis Cardinals jersey came and stood in front of me toward the end of set break. Guy didn't want to leave after the band started 2nd set but I made it very clear to him that he could not remain in front of me.
I have had both GA and Reserved tickets at Red Rocks.
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by the way pearl jam opening for pear jam also had solo performances by mike and stone. ed started alone then played with the opening act the pharmacists minus ted leo who for some reason didn't make it across the border. incredible show. never forget that one. talk about how the show must go on. pearl jam could have just played an extended show but still included the guys from the opening act. i mean they did come all that way.
Of course some have it worse. I have no major cities anywheres near me so that is part of the problem that I should have mentioned. All I am saying is it would be nice to get more shows up here. We love them and they seem to love playing here. I am just surprised we do not get more shows. I do not have it as bad as some but all I am saying is Canada is huge. We have plenty of cities that would sell out or be close to it if these guys came. Halifax, Moncton (only 10,000 so never going to happen but Magnetic Hill would get 40,000 plus I am guessing) Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Hamilton, London, Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver. Also they did not touch the east coast at all in 2013 which I found very odd.
I can drive to Boston yes and I do but they only get shitty ballpark shows lately.
I get what your saying but I still don't see it. Most of the venues they played in Atlantic Canada in 2005 were fairly small. 7000 to 11000 seat venues. They don't really have the arena sized venues. I don't think PJ sells out magnetic hill . Sometimes PJ's popularity seems big, because they sell out big venues. A big part of that is how many people travel to the show. When you're in Wrigley, or Safeco, or whatever, it feels like most people you talk to aren't from those cities. Everyone travelled in. What I experience at Pemberton '16, is the die hard PJ fans are much less like to go to far into Canada.
I stand by my original thought. PJ is playing fewer shows at bigger venues. The odds of them playing small markets are becoming slimmer. Yah Canada's huge geographically, but we only have so many cities 1 million+. There's no NHL size arena's East of Quebec. The entire population of an atlantic province is smaller than the cities PJ plays. Smaller than Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal etc...
If PJ decides they only want to play 20 shows, and they call that a big tour.... how many of those shows are going to occur in cities with less than 500k people.
I think in order to see PJ play small markets we need a drastic uptick in the size of the tours. If we see that, than maybe we seem more small market shows.
I could only imagine what it would be like to see them play in Victoria or anywhere else on this Island.
Looks like both Matt and Mike were on stage with Cheap Trick tonight (Matt's instagram, Mike's twitter). Seems like they are all finally in Seattle at least and hanging out together (Rolling Stones show a couple weeks ago too).
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Still one of favorite shows was at the amphitheatre when they were doing there encore and fireworks were going off.
Yes Canada is a great vast nation, but with PJ it's about limited access to tickets
Within a 4 hour drive of my home market we have the approximate population of Canada and Australia combined.
Although they play NYC more than other places (other than Bos & Chi) the demand for tickets here and lack of ticket availability is unrivaled by any other market.
But hey, Montreal is not that far!
-EV 8/14/93
But there are some good YouTube videos out there.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Well, that's good to hear they banned tarps.
-EV 8/14/93
Let's hope the "plans" are not just drinks and dinner next Thursday.
I live in Victoria. Vancouver Island has pretty much the same population as the province of New Brunswick. My particular city (if you count the larger area) has 350k people. Our best biggest indoor venue is our arena used for WHL hockey. I think if you sell the whole thing including the tickets behind the stage it's something like 6800 to 7000 tickets. I think that's fairly comparable to the Moncton Coliseum. That's enough to attract mid level bands. Bands on the way up, bands on the way down, artists that broke free for solo careers, or bands that tour too much. It's not big enough to attract bands that can sell out 20k NHL/NBA Arenas or 50k+ Stadiums. I hold no hope that PJ would ever play here. I know we're a small market. I've grown up used to this. Any big show I wanted to see I've always had to travel to Vancouver or Seattle. Vancouver is 3.5 to 4 hours away. Seattle is 5 to 6 hours away. I always have to travel. It's small market economics.
I guess I feel at this point there's a million places PJ don't play and ahandful of places they do. Most fans are traveling these days. I feel I've got it pretty good with Seattle/Vancouver being my cities in travelling proximity. Still, when you live in a smaller place, with less people, you get less shows. Its a way of life. It's the downside of not living in a megatropolis. I thought most of use had resided to this. I feel way worse for the fans that don't live in North/South America or Europe. Those fans never get PJ shows that are in travel distance.
I don't think you have it that bad. You only mentioned the 7 hour show which I'm guessing was Quebec City. If you went south it's maybe 8 hours from New Brunswick to Boston? So that's really 5 shows in travel distance in the past 3 or so years. That's way better than many of our fellow PJ fans (anyone who doesn't live in North/South America or Europe). My shows are a bit closer but I've only had 3 shows in less than a 12 hour drive to me (Pemberton 16, Seattle 2018) in the same span of time. I don't really feel slighted they don't come to Victoria.
I can drive to Boston yes and I do but they only get shitty ballpark shows lately.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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