Elizabeth Warren vows to break up tech giants if elected president

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    I believe you when you say you think Elizabeth Warren is an idiot.  I think that's a bit strange, but I'll believe you believe that.  So how about we give that some perspective?  Let's let Warren debate Trump and see who looks like an idiot.  Fair enough?
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    I'm very curious to see what precedence Warren feels can be used to apply a ceiling to capitalism, and what slanderous campaigns would be produced by large corporations and their lobbies. Even anti-trust laws must have taken ages to produce in face of corporate adversity.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    benjs said:
    I'm very curious to see what precedence Warren feels can be used to apply a ceiling to capitalism, and what slanderous campaigns would be produced by large corporations and their lobbies. Even anti-trust laws must have taken ages to produce in face of corporate adversity.
    Stemming runaway capitalism seems like an insurmountable task, doesn't it?  She's up for a tough battle, for sure.
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  • njnancy
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    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    So then you are fine with not receiving any Social Security or Medicare when you retire. Those are programs that are about as big government and socialist (yes socialist) as you can get. So if you really are passionate about your statement, you will opt out of that I'm sure. 
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    I’m not a warren fan. But I’m going to give this some time and think about it more before saying 1) it’s awful and big government 2) it’s terrific and needed...death to the corporations. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Jason P said:
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
    You're probably aware of the other problems with Amazon, Jason, but I think they are worth noting:  The fact that they have to power to dodge the taxes other retailers must pay, the fact that they basically run sweatshops (poor treatment of employees), and the fact that Bezos has made it a personal (and I can only imagine a vindictive and mean spirited) goal to shut down all other bookstores.  I have a life-time boycott of them and all their subsidiaries.  Minuscule though it may be, that's my little contribution to breaking up a major powers.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    brianlux said:
    Jason P said:
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
    You're probably aware of the other problems with Amazon, Jason, but I think they are worth noting:  The fact that they have to power to dodge the taxes other retailers must pay, the fact that they basically run sweatshops (poor treatment of employees), and the fact that Bezos has made it a personal (and I can only imagine a vindictive and mean spirited) goal to shut down all other bookstores.  I have a life-time boycott of them and all their subsidiaries.  Minuscule though it may be, that's my little contribution to breaking up a major powers.
    Sweatshops? I’ve read some of the reports, which are disputed by the way. There have been a few concerning piece that would be awful but I’m not sure sweatshops is accurate.

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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    brianlux said:
    Jason P said:
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
    You're probably aware of the other problems with Amazon, Jason, but I think they are worth noting:  The fact that they have to power to dodge the taxes other retailers must pay, the fact that they basically run sweatshops (poor treatment of employees), and the fact that Bezos has made it a personal (and I can only imagine a vindictive and mean spirited) goal to shut down all other bookstores.  I have a life-time boycott of them and all their subsidiaries.  Minuscule though it may be, that's my little contribution to breaking up a major powers.
    Brian, I just want to say - these are problems which I feel should be resolved by the government. Laws are about how humans are legally permitted to conduct themselves (especially in interpersonal affairs), and regulations are there to speak to how businesses are permitted to conduct themselves. Not that I really have any faith in any governing bodies, be they corporations, people, or governments, I think it's a pretty unrealistic expectation for a company to self-regulate fairly.

    On the bookstore front, I feel for you. Bezos saw how he could create an easy and affordable distribution channel for content, and designed a great and affordable device to house all your books on (for chronic jugglers like me, that's why I love eReaders). He also solved usability challenges with reading by including a backlight. 

    Disrupters will continue to disrupt; all we can do is adapt or be disrupters. I respect trying to slay the beast though :) 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Jason P said:
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
    You're probably aware of the other problems with Amazon, Jason, but I think they are worth noting:  The fact that they have to power to dodge the taxes other retailers must pay, the fact that they basically run sweatshops (poor treatment of employees), and the fact that Bezos has made it a personal (and I can only imagine a vindictive and mean spirited) goal to shut down all other bookstores.  I have a life-time boycott of them and all their subsidiaries.  Minuscule though it may be, that's my little contribution to breaking up a major powers.
    Sweatshops? I’ve read some of the reports, which are disputed by the way. There have been a few concerning piece that would be awful but I’m not sure sweatshops is accurate.

    Oh come, you know I never exaggerate.

    Well, Ok, maybe just a tiny bit, haha!  Good call. 

    Still wouldn't want to work for those slave drivers with their whips and shackles!


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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Jason P said:
    Smellyman said:
    Jason P said:
    Her supporters: "Yea!  Take em' down!"  Her supporters after she is elected and achieves this promise: "Holy shit ... 2 day shipping is $17.99!!!!  And Twitter and Instatgram no longer work!  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!"
    How will more competition cause a price increase?
    Average phone bills went up after Ma Bell was broken up.  You can breakup the top dogs, but hungrier sharks are circling waiting to take advantage.  And outside of Google, nobody is forced to use Amazon or Facebook.  I've never used Facebook.  I'm using Amazon less because I'm concerned with the chance of counterfeit products, suspect reviews and I have not been happy with their shift to pushing subscription based consumerism.  But I can't deny that if it wasn't for Amazon it wouldn't be easy to cut back on Amazon.  There are now better web-based shops that can compete with rates and low-to-no shipping cost but it wouldn't have been possible without Amazon forcing competition.  If Amazon goes down, price of good and shipping will go up ... it's my opinion but I think it is a realistic outcome. 

    Google on the other hand is pretty hard to avoid unless you go off the grid.
    You're probably aware of the other problems with Amazon, Jason, but I think they are worth noting:  The fact that they have to power to dodge the taxes other retailers must pay, the fact that they basically run sweatshops (poor treatment of employees), and the fact that Bezos has made it a personal (and I can only imagine a vindictive and mean spirited) goal to shut down all other bookstores.  I have a life-time boycott of them and all their subsidiaries.  Minuscule though it may be, that's my little contribution to breaking up a major powers.
    Sweatshops? I’ve read some of the reports, which are disputed by the way. There have been a few concerning piece that would be awful but I’m not sure sweatshops is accurate.

    Oh come, you know I never exaggerate.

    Well, Ok, maybe just a tiny bit, haha!  Good call. 

    Still wouldn't want to work for those slave drivers with their whips and shackles!


    Ha hahaha!!!
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    This is why politicians suck.  She can not achieve this without a heck of a fight and many lawyers involved.  My money would be on the lawyers the 3 corporations would hire...

    I love Amazon, I have no attention to ever stop using it.  Online shopping is great.  Going in and out of retails stores shopping is a waste of my time.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    That fancy phone, computer or TV made in China was assembled by sweatshops.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    tbergs said:
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    Ok, what's the balance then, since you think her statement means too much government control? I don't think the continued monopolitization of a few large companies is going to do any good unless you're the wealthy elite.

    Also, isn't it a bit hypocritical of a Trump supporter to call someone else an idiot and out of touch? How is Trump helping bridge the gap or do anything besides secure his own wealth? He's nothing but a con artist and a crook, but God (you know, the one from an official Trump signed bible) forbid you or any of the other minions care about that shit.
    I’m not a trump supporter? 
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    njnancy said:
    riley540 said:
    She’s an idiot. Out of touch. Big government power sucks ass and nobody wants it 
    So then you are fine with not receiving any Social Security or Medicare when you retire. Those are programs that are about as big government and socialist (yes socialist) as you can get. So if you really are passionate about your statement, you will opt out of that I'm sure. 
    Social security is going to collapse reguardless. I’d rather have the opportunity to save and invest that money on my own terms to retire how I seem fit. The government isn’t good at much. Shut down social security sooner than later I say 
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,558
    riley540 said:
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
    You sound angry.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    riley540 said:
    I think most politicians are out of touch morons. Warren is just another to add to the list. 

    I hate big government. Period. I think that’s an ok opinion. Both parties are power hungry and I hate it. 

    People don’t trust powerful companies.. I just don’t trust the one thing more powerful which is government. 
    Bear in mind, you say the government is more powerful, but the government often governs by the largest payoffs by corporations, so it seems to me it's more of a syndicate. With such an alliance between these groups, lobbies and politicians will just continue to focus on passing bills and establishing regulations with strong public-facing optics and stronger profitability. Absent from those considerations are the humans downstream (employees and consumers alike). I don't think the back-and-forth debate over corporate or government control matters all that much at the end of the day until this reality is changed.

    I also think even if I'm just totally cynical and this cooperative behaviour isn't actually what's happening, then I'd look at basic human nature. In the absence of a threat to accumulating power, we usually try. In that case, if two entities with competing goals exist, one's retreat will lead to the other taking power. At this point, I honestly don't know which head of the chimera is worst. 
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