A quarter of all kindergartners in Washington county aren’t immunized. Now there’s a measles crisis

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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited February 2019
    (I’m sorry if I stepped away from the subject.)

    At least I’m very happy for all the vaccines I’ve got, never had any side affects either. 
    It’s important that the vaccines are well proven though. 
    It feels good to be protected against measles, tetanus, hepatitis A,B, rubella, TBE etc.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Vancouver Measles Outbreak Linked To French Schools

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/02/16/vancouver-measles-outbreak-french-schools_a_23670871/?ec_carp=7145370581598195594&ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001&fbclid=IwAR3durh7SLHS3WKDOvwnujnR4RCb3LeQQ5g7xOeA_LJD-Zayuo6JiR6kgXM
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    WHO warns of 'backsliding' in measles fight as cases soar

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/who-warns-of-backsliding-in-measles-fight-as-cases-soar-1.4297266?cid=sm:trueanthem:ctvnews:post&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c6798f33ed3f00001e7132d&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0c9yTpIJEoCb-_P0uw-EERKuBrDklizwMOZj8ODmO7_ylhgKbdKsd3pQY
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    ‘Even healthy kids [could] die’: Measles outbreak prompts vaccine plea from mom of transplant recipient
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Father at centre of measles outbreak didn't vaccinate children due to autism fears

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/father-vancouver-measles-outbreak-1.5022891?fbclid=IwAR0QUncbk72tQrp09HXis2e_P_D0FFkryTzBF2xRE8wH0cHT_8xdaHBkTA4
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    'For God's sake, vaccinate your children': Measles survivor still feels the effects after 69 years

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/childhood-measles-survivor-vaccination-1.5023733?fbclid=IwAR1u0HPzwqowEtfMW5NPVoVpR3jan3OJ6BsTFk6KQVjFDuQl1r805_slUKw

    Since we no longer can trust idiot parents to do the right thing, maybe it's time to legislate vaccinations?  With the only exemption being on medical grounds.


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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,422
    Texas.....

    https://youtu.be/npYocgDntyY
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2019
    Bentleyspop said:
    Texas.....

    https://youtu.be/npYocgDntyY
    I agree with liberty as much as anyone in TX, but I do not believe in neglecting children...which is what not vaccinating is in my opinion. 
    Funny thing is, I bet any of these people would use antibiotics for every little sore throat, when there has actually been long term studies and scientific evidence that they can lead to future mental health problems and other ailments.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Texas.....

    https://youtu.be/npYocgDntyY
    I agree with liberty as much as anyone in TX, but I do not believe in neglecting children...which is what not vaccinating is in my opinion. 
    Funny thing is, I bet any of these people would use antibiotics for every little sore throat, when there has actually been long term studies and scientific evidence that they can lead to future mental health problems and other ailments.

    It's an interesting field of study for sure. The evidence is not yet there to say that antibiotic use alone leads to future mental health issues, since it was epidemiological data and not a controlled, prospective study, but it's a fascinating area for future research and certainly antibiotics are overused. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Texas.....

    https://youtu.be/npYocgDntyY
    I agree with liberty as much as anyone in TX, but I do not believe in neglecting children...which is what not vaccinating is in my opinion. 
    Funny thing is, I bet any of these people would use antibiotics for every little sore throat, when there has actually been long term studies and scientific evidence that they can lead to future mental health problems and other ailments.
    I had a nurse tell me she is absolutely opposed to Cannabis because it has not been studied for 20 years in a lab like pharmaceuticals...that always made me laugh...watch a pharmaceutical commercial and 1/2 the ad is describing the side effects of said drug and many say may cause death...lol
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Texas.....

    https://youtu.be/npYocgDntyY
    I agree with liberty as much as anyone in TX, but I do not believe in neglecting children...which is what not vaccinating is in my opinion. 
    Funny thing is, I bet any of these people would use antibiotics for every little sore throat, when there has actually been long term studies and scientific evidence that they can lead to future mental health problems and other ailments.
    I had a nurse tell me she is absolutely opposed to Cannabis because it has not been studied for 20 years in a lab like pharmaceuticals...that always made me laugh...watch a pharmaceutical commercial and 1/2 the ad is describing the side effects of said drug and many say may cause death...lol

    Apples and oranges, though, because you aren't typically looking to cannabis to treat serious or life-threatening illnesses. I am in favour of getting sound data on any product that I would be using in my body, and if I use a pharmaceutical product then it's because I've weighed the potential risks and benefits and have decided to go ahead. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Texas.....

    https://youtu.be/npYocgDntyY
    I agree with liberty as much as anyone in TX, but I do not believe in neglecting children...which is what not vaccinating is in my opinion. 
    Funny thing is, I bet any of these people would use antibiotics for every little sore throat, when there has actually been long term studies and scientific evidence that they can lead to future mental health problems and other ailments.

    It's an interesting field of study for sure. The evidence is not yet there to say that antibiotic use alone leads to future mental health issues, since it was epidemiological data and not a controlled, prospective study, but it's a fascinating area for future research and certainly antibiotics are overused. 
    Correct, “leads” was the wrong word to use on my part as more studies must be done to show direct causation, but the evidence is sure starting to mount in that direction.  Gut health should be taken very serious as well as oral hygiene (gum disease has been recently “linked” to Alzheimer’s disease).  Below is the study I was referring to regarding antibiotics.  Interesting stuff:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30516814/

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Texas.....

    https://youtu.be/npYocgDntyY
    I agree with liberty as much as anyone in TX, but I do not believe in neglecting children...which is what not vaccinating is in my opinion. 
    Funny thing is, I bet any of these people would use antibiotics for every little sore throat, when there has actually been long term studies and scientific evidence that they can lead to future mental health problems and other ailments.

    It's an interesting field of study for sure. The evidence is not yet there to say that antibiotic use alone leads to future mental health issues, since it was epidemiological data and not a controlled, prospective study, but it's a fascinating area for future research and certainly antibiotics are overused. 
    Correct, “leads” was the wrong word to use on my part as more studies must be done to show direct causation, but the evidence is sure starting to mount in that direction.  Gut health should be taken very serious as well as oral hygiene (gum disease has been recently “linked” to Alzheimer’s disease).  Below is the study I was referring to regarding antibiotics.  Interesting stuff:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30516814/

    “The gut cell’s connected to the braaaaiiiin cell....”
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Texas.....

    https://youtu.be/npYocgDntyY
    I agree with liberty as much as anyone in TX, but I do not believe in neglecting children...which is what not vaccinating is in my opinion. 
    Funny thing is, I bet any of these people would use antibiotics for every little sore throat, when there has actually been long term studies and scientific evidence that they can lead to future mental health problems and other ailments.

    It's an interesting field of study for sure. The evidence is not yet there to say that antibiotic use alone leads to future mental health issues, since it was epidemiological data and not a controlled, prospective study, but it's a fascinating area for future research and certainly antibiotics are overused. 
    Correct, “leads” was the wrong word to use on my part as more studies must be done to show direct causation, but the evidence is sure starting to mount in that direction.  Gut health should be taken very serious as well as oral hygiene (gum disease has been recently “linked” to Alzheimer’s disease).  Below is the study I was referring to regarding antibiotics.  Interesting stuff:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30516814/

    Yes, that was the epidemiological data I was referring to. The Danes have fantastic population data on all sorts of health and lifestyle issues that can be endlessly mined. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    https://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/2727726/measles-mumps-rubella-vaccination-autism-nationwide-cohort-study
    Now go get your damn children vaccinated!
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Where I live the local health board employees are in a labour dispute and the school boards have said don't worry about vaccinations until the dispute is settled.  Fuck them.  Kids aren't vaccinated they get suspended.  Quit catering to these idiots...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited March 2019
    brianlux said:
    OnWis97 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and same with my mom. polio at 4 years old (so one leg is basically an ornament). MS for the past 30. she's also one of the toughest hombres I have ever known. 

    "weak". fuck that. 
    That's terrible.  Sorry to hear that your Mom had to deal with that.  My Mom, RIP, could not tolerate those anti-vaxxers because she remembers 1st hand what polio was like.  And she always said if people saw 1st hand their opinion would change.

    Exactly. Those who minimize the dangers of infectious diseases are those that were lucky enough not to live during the centuries where the average family lost at least one child to these diseases.
    Ahhhh.  The good ol' days.
    :lol:

    But seriously, who among us can look at this objectively?  I cannot, at least not fully.  I would be crushed if any of my 16 "kids" died from some disease in infancy. 

    And yet, looking at it biologically from a biocentric viewpoint, our ability to stymie disease may not be in our own best interest as a species.  That ability is both quite unnatural and probably one the factors that will lead toward our specie becoming extinct earlier than it might have otherwise.   There is a good biological reason for disease and the culling of the weak individuals within all species.   We humans have a very hard time understanding and accepting that.

    Oh, for sure, if you look at this completely objectively, vaccinations play a huge role in the human endeavor to completely ruin the world. Humankind has manages to basically halt natural population control altogether, to the detriment of all other species on Earth. If our interests lie with the planet and all the other species over our own, then we should all be anti-vaxxers, as well as be against all foreign aid, etc etc. Unfortunately, homo erectus also seem to have developed that pesky sense of human morality and community and shit, which really gets in the way of taking care of the planet and our own population controls.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,476
    but how do you control that? isn't it every species' natural instinct to be as plentiful and widespread as possible? but in most cases, other species or environmental conditions keep that in check. we have no checks anymore. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited March 2019
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    but how do you control that? isn't it every species' natural instinct to be as plentiful and widespread as possible? but in most cases, other species or environmental conditions keep that in check. we have no checks anymore. 
    Right, we have no checks because our intellects and technologies, with the help of our opposable thumbs, have completely outdone nature. It's very unfortunate, technically. And there is no way to control that, only because of that annoying sense of morality we're "burdened" by. Most animals, when the population gets too large for it to be sustainable, will die from disease and famine as they compete for resources until the population is back under control. But people have figured out how to largely overcome disease and famine itself, rather than compete and watch the "losers" die..... And when that isn't happening in certain places in the world, those where resources aren't scarce often try to step in and intervene with medical and food and water supplies, etc etc etc, again, because of that sense of morality (and then there are the horrors, the genocides, etc, which are more about power and greed rather than natural resources, although resources do still play a part in a very inequitable sense, but that never happens on a scale that actually serves to control the human population).

    The only way to control any of this is to lower birth rates. Birth control. Which necessarily means education for women and a reasonably equitable distribution of wealth on a global scale. But with that power and greed issue I mentioned, I can't see that happening. So yeah, it's uncontrollable..... Until a really bad pandemic takes care of it.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,476
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    but how do you control that? isn't it every species' natural instinct to be as plentiful and widespread as possible? but in most cases, other species or environmental conditions keep that in check. we have no checks anymore. 
    Right, we have no checks because our intellects and technologies, with the help of our opposable thumbs, have completely outdone nature. It's very unfortunate. And there is no way to control that, only because of that annoying sense of morality we're "burdened" by. Most animals, when the population gets too large for it to be sustainable, will die from disease and famine as they compete for resources until the population is back under control. But people have figured out how to largely overcome disease and famine itself, rather than compete and watch the "losers" die..... And when that isn't happening in certain places in the world, those where resources aren't scarce often try to step in and intervene with medical and food and water supplies, etc etc etc.
    I think our check will eventually come back in the form of the species no longer being able to sustain itself, whether it be food resources, climate change survival, etc. it will be devastating. I just (selfishly) hope it doesn't happen in my or my kids lifetimes. 
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