2020 Tour Rumor Thread
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There are few good tapes of the festival, I can't say for sure there is one of Tinley Park show.darwinstheory said:
Horde Festival was great! Seeing Neil w/ Crazy Horse in Tinley Park in a legit thunderstorm was awesome as shit! That part of the show would absolutely be canceled these days. Would REALLY love a copy of this performance.PB11041 said:
I think that would be pulling in fall of 2013 to that, 2014 through 2018, the last five years, it has only been 45 PJ shows, and that even includes Bonnaroo, ACL, Telluride etc. So truthfully over the last 5 years they have averaged less than 10 shows in the US a year.my2hands said:
They have played 70+ shows in North America in the last 5 years...Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
I still think they have a large tour or two in them left, but I honestly think they need to collectively figure out how to shake things up a little. They did that in the fall of 2013.
Also would think they could do a pretty good job headlining their own traveling festival, I'd like to see them do what they did at PJ 20 and bring it out and about with something like the HORDE used to be, when the Horse headlined in 1997 it was great.
As they head into their older age, I would really hope they find a way to go out with dignity. The rock til you drop approach of the Stones doesn't really do it for me.
I was also 15 then.His eminence has yet to show.
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That is not a constant, it all depends on your vantage point in any setting. At Randall's Island 1996, the bands sound was fantastic and full. I was back of the mob both nights probably 20 yards left of and up from the mixing desk tower.pjl44 said:
I've been to good festivals and bad festivals. If anything is constant it's that sound inside beats sound outside.SandyRavage said:
Why do you keep assuming festivals are like this after account after account on here of people saying you are WRONG???Lerxst1992 said:
Sorry about that experience. Imagine it replicated in the mud, with no bathrooms nearby, jammed in with aggressive teens with poor sanitary habits.
We get it.
You don't like festivals and would rather see Pearl Jam in a big concrete metal building with piss poor sound.
Different strokes for different folks. Accept it and move on.
I've been in arenas at times when it has been a jumbled mess, in 1998 to me, if you were not in the first part of the floor or side 100s near the overhead stacks the sound could be quite distorted.
Fenway Park 2016 I was A's row 13, Mike's side. That was the best I have ever heard Pearl Jam's live audio sound. Every instrument was crystal clear.His eminence has yet to show.
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The sound at Fenway truly was a pleasant surprise.PB11041 said:
That is not a constant, it all depends on your vantage point in any setting. At Randall's Island 1996, the bands sound was fantastic and full. I was back of the mob both nights probably 20 yards left of and up from the mixing desk tower.pjl44 said:
I've been to good festivals and bad festivals. If anything is constant it's that sound inside beats sound outside.SandyRavage said:
Why do you keep assuming festivals are like this after account after account on here of people saying you are WRONG???Lerxst1992 said:
Sorry about that experience. Imagine it replicated in the mud, with no bathrooms nearby, jammed in with aggressive teens with poor sanitary habits.
We get it.
You don't like festivals and would rather see Pearl Jam in a big concrete metal building with piss poor sound.
Different strokes for different folks. Accept it and move on.
I've been in arenas at times when it has been a jumbled mess, in 1998 to me, if you were not in the first part of the floor or side 100s near the overhead stacks the sound could be quite distorted.
Fenway Park 2016 I was A's row 13, Mike's side. That was the best I have ever heard Pearl Jam's live audio sound. Every instrument was crystal clear.
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yes,cos they have one of th best in usa guys in charge of the soundJimmyV said:
The sound at Fenway truly was a pleasant surprise.PB11041 said:
That is not a constant, it all depends on your vantage point in any setting. At Randall's Island 1996, the bands sound was fantastic and full. I was back of the mob both nights probably 20 yards left of and up from the mixing desk tower.pjl44 said:
I've been to good festivals and bad festivals. If anything is constant it's that sound inside beats sound outside.SandyRavage said:
Why do you keep assuming festivals are like this after account after account on here of people saying you are WRONG???Lerxst1992 said:
Sorry about that experience. Imagine it replicated in the mud, with no bathrooms nearby, jammed in with aggressive teens with poor sanitary habits.
We get it.
You don't like festivals and would rather see Pearl Jam in a big concrete metal building with piss poor sound.
Different strokes for different folks. Accept it and move on.
I've been in arenas at times when it has been a jumbled mess, in 1998 to me, if you were not in the first part of the floor or side 100s near the overhead stacks the sound could be quite distorted.
Fenway Park 2016 I was A's row 13, Mike's side. That was the best I have ever heard Pearl Jam's live audio sound. Every instrument was crystal clear."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0 -
You forgot 2013, counted that because we just started 2019 and the 2013 tour ended in DecemberCopperTom said:
48 shows in NA in 2014 (14), 2015 (2), 2016 (25), 2017 (0), 2018 (7) combined.my2hands said:
They have played 70+ shows in North America in the last 5 years...Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
So 70 shows in the last 5.5 years for the nitpickersPost edited by my2hands on0 -
5.166666666666666666666 is more accurate.my2hands said:
You forgot 2013, counted that because we just started 2019 and the 2013 tour ended in DecemberCopperTom said:
48 shows in NA in 2014 (14), 2015 (2), 2016 (25), 2017 (0), 2018 (7) combined.my2hands said:
They have played 70+ shows in North America in the last 5 years...Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
So 70 shows in the last 5.5 years for the nitpickers0 -
Well lol... the tour started in October... and I'm counting London & Wrigley from July 2013 as well lolPJNB said:
5.166666666666666666666 is more accurate.my2hands said:
You forgot 2013, counted that because we just started 2019 and the 2013 tour ended in DecemberCopperTom said:
48 shows in NA in 2014 (14), 2015 (2), 2016 (25), 2017 (0), 2018 (7) combined.my2hands said:
They have played 70+ shows in North America in the last 5 years...Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
So 70 shows in the last 5.5 years for the nitpickers0 -
As far as a good tape perspective, I would doubt there is a good quality version. Storms were bad. Lightening took out all the amplifiers that weren't on the stage. Most of the lawn section crammed under the pavilion or they left. People mud sliding and getting taken away on stretchers. I ran up and found someone from the front leaving and asked for their ticket stub. They had 3rd row and gave it to me.PB11041 said:
There are few good tapes of the festival, I can't say for sure there is one of Tinley Park show.darwinstheory said:
Horde Festival was great! Seeing Neil w/ Crazy Horse in Tinley Park in a legit thunderstorm was awesome as shit! That part of the show would absolutely be canceled these days. Would REALLY love a copy of this performance.PB11041 said:
I think that would be pulling in fall of 2013 to that, 2014 through 2018, the last five years, it has only been 45 PJ shows, and that even includes Bonnaroo, ACL, Telluride etc. So truthfully over the last 5 years they have averaged less than 10 shows in the US a year.my2hands said:
They have played 70+ shows in North America in the last 5 years...Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
I still think they have a large tour or two in them left, but I honestly think they need to collectively figure out how to shake things up a little. They did that in the fall of 2013.
Also would think they could do a pretty good job headlining their own traveling festival, I'd like to see them do what they did at PJ 20 and bring it out and about with something like the HORDE used to be, when the Horse headlined in 1997 it was great.
As they head into their older age, I would really hope they find a way to go out with dignity. The rock til you drop approach of the Stones doesn't really do it for me.
I was also 15 then.
By the time I got there, I was only able to get up to 5th row. Standing on the seat and my feet were still in water. At one point, someone came from back stage and told Neil to shut it down. He pushed them away and played a few more tunes.
Back then, it was a really awesome concert experience. There is literally a zero percent chance that show happens these days.
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my2hands said:
Well lol... the tour started in October... and I'm counting London & Wrigley from July 2013 as well lolPJNB said:
5.166666666666666666666 is more accurate.my2hands said:
You forgot 2013, counted that because we just started 2019 and the 2013 tour ended in DecemberCopperTom said:
48 shows in NA in 2014 (14), 2015 (2), 2016 (25), 2017 (0), 2018 (7) combined.my2hands said:
They have played 70+ shows in North America in the last 5 years...Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
So 70 shows in the last 5.5 years for the nitpickers
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I'm ready for new music, followed by a tour... but I will take either0
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That show was taped. Actually I think every show on the HORDE tour was taped (the Neil sets anyway).darwinstheory said:Horde Festival was great! Seeing Neil w/ Crazy Horse in Tinley Park in a legit thunderstorm was awesome as shit! That part of the show would absolutely be canceled these days. Would REALLY love a copy of this performance.
I was also 15 then.Post edited by Yefa onYou see me empty, Sir, do not pause and inquire, simply assume and refill.
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Well shit! It was awesome reading that article. Thank you for the link @Yefa . I see where it says - tape exists: yes but I have not been able to locate said tape. I was able to find a brief highlight of the show from MTV news on YouTube before.Yefa said:That show was taped. Actually I think every show on the HORDE tour was taped (the Neil sets anyway).
Post edited by darwinstheory on"A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory0 -
CopperTom said:
48 shows in NA in 2014 (14), 2015 (2), 2016 (25), 2017 (0), 2018 (7) combined.my2hands said:
They have played 70+ shows in North America in the last 5 years...Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
I was referring to US PJ shows. Looks like there are a few Canadian and benefit shows in the 48.0 -
Well, sure, if someone botches something the sound can be bad anywhere. And I've certainly been to outdoor shows that sound good (Fenway), but it's a simple matter of acoustics. The vast majority of indoor shows will sound better than the vast majority of outdoor shows.PB11041 said:
That is not a constant, it all depends on your vantage point in any setting. At Randall's Island 1996, the bands sound was fantastic and full. I was back of the mob both nights probably 20 yards left of and up from the mixing desk tower.pjl44 said:
I've been to good festivals and bad festivals. If anything is constant it's that sound inside beats sound outside.SandyRavage said:
Why do you keep assuming festivals are like this after account after account on here of people saying you are WRONG???Lerxst1992 said:
Sorry about that experience. Imagine it replicated in the mud, with no bathrooms nearby, jammed in with aggressive teens with poor sanitary habits.
We get it.
You don't like festivals and would rather see Pearl Jam in a big concrete metal building with piss poor sound.
Different strokes for different folks. Accept it and move on.
I've been in arenas at times when it has been a jumbled mess, in 1998 to me, if you were not in the first part of the floor or side 100s near the overhead stacks the sound could be quite distorted.
Fenway Park 2016 I was A's row 13, Mike's side. That was the best I have ever heard Pearl Jam's live audio sound. Every instrument was crystal clear.0 -
njnancy said:
The band members are already in their mid to late 50's and Boom is in his 60's.Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
I'd just like to point out, that being in your 50's doesn't make you an old person or mean you are no longer capable of being a musician. There are many fans on here who are working and having successful careers and lives and are in their 50's. Active healthy lives. Or whatever lives they choose, but are in complete control of their faculties both mentally and physically. I mean, come on.
They are musicians so they know how to do this, it's muscle memory. A tour might sound exhausting if you are not a person who has been doing that your entire adult life, but they have been touring and traveling and surfing and skateboarding just fine. When they do.
They are not doing a cirque d soleil show - they are playing instruments and singing songs. They know how to do this and their age is not a valid excuse.
I'm in my 50's and it really hits a nerve when their age is constantly referred to as if they are old men, in their twilight years. That's ridiculous. Why they aren't dong more of what we want has nothing do with age, refer to Jeff's zest for creating and touring in that article. I don't know what that answer is, but it's not because they are in their *gasp* 50's.
Please stop (general request, not specific to anyone) insulting a large portion of the fan base and the band by writing off anyone over 50 as incapable of working hard and thriving. .And being led off to some old home for legacy acts.
Thank you.
I am over 50 and do not see any insult pointing out if they arent enthused about recording or touring in their 50s why would they change course at an older age? Its just an opinion on a forum. I could be wrong. I dont see it as writing them off, just simply looking at the clock, looking at recent history and noting what the time is.
As far as working hard, I have no idea what their days consist of, just not the traditional band type of tasks. For all I know Stone could be spending months upon months curating all the master tapes. That is difficult work
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Ok I just got sad. Sirius XM PJ radio playing a concert. Rob introduces it as part of the lightning bolt tour. Perth .... 2/2/2014. That’s right 2014. I need a new album please!!!hippiemom = goodness0
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I wasn't talking to your comment directly there were a bunch referencing age and it started to bug me.Lerxst1992 said:njnancy said:
The band members are already in their mid to late 50's and Boom is in his 60's.Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:
70 shows left? LolLerxst1992 said:vedpunk said:This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages. The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals.
Paying $250 for premium quality vs $100 for standing in the mud like sardines for 10 hours with bratty children ****ing in bottles who dont buy albums. Premium tickets for premium band worth every penny.
They are nearing the end of their touring careers. How many US shows do they have left in them... 70? Why waste it on kids shoving you to the ground who will never buy an album anyway?
Count instead of laugh my friend.
US shows.
They barely play that many in their 50s. How many US shows (not benefits not abbreviated festivals, US shows with PJ fans):
40+ in the last 5 years?
How many do you think they will be playing in their late 50s & 60s?
I'd just like to point out, that being in your 50's doesn't make you an old person or mean you are no longer capable of being a musician. There are many fans on here who are working and having successful careers and lives and are in their 50's. Active healthy lives. Or whatever lives they choose, but are in complete control of their faculties both mentally and physically. I mean, come on.
They are musicians so they know how to do this, it's muscle memory. A tour might sound exhausting if you are not a person who has been doing that your entire adult life, but they have been touring and traveling and surfing and skateboarding just fine. When they do.
They are not doing a cirque d soleil show - they are playing instruments and singing songs. They know how to do this and their age is not a valid excuse.
I'm in my 50's and it really hits a nerve when their age is constantly referred to as if they are old men, in their twilight years. That's ridiculous. Why they aren't dong more of what we want has nothing do with age, refer to Jeff's zest for creating and touring in that article. I don't know what that answer is, but it's not because they are in their *gasp* 50's.
Please stop (general request, not specific to anyone) insulting a large portion of the fan base and the band by writing off anyone over 50 as incapable of working hard and thriving. .And being led off to some old home for legacy acts.
Thank you.
I am over 50 and do not see any insult pointing out if they arent enthused about recording or touring in their 50s why would they change course at an older age? Its just an opinion on a forum. I could be wrong. I dont see it as writing them off, just simply looking at the clock, looking at recent history and noting what the time is.
As far as working hard, I have no idea what their days consist of, just not the traditional band type of tasks. For all I know Stone could be spending months upon months curating all the master tapes. That is difficult work
One reason they would be more inclined to record and tour is that they will be empty nesters. I don't know the age of all their children and it's really not my business. Having children a bit later in life lets you see how quickly the 'good' years go by and so having younger children makes you want to enjoy the time you have with them while they still care to spend time with you.
If this were the reason for any of their decisions, there will come a time soon when kids will be off on their own and you start to rediscover what you really enjoyed before you had kids.
It's just one thought. Didn't mean to come across so harshly on your comment. Sorry.0 -
That is a patently false premise. If it is done correctly both are fine.pjl44 said:
Well, sure, if someone botches something the sound can be bad anywhere. And I've certainly been to outdoor shows that sound good (Fenway), but it's a simple matter of acoustics. The vast majority of indoor shows will sound better than the vast majority of outdoor shows.PB11041 said:
That is not a constant, it all depends on your vantage point in any setting. At Randall's Island 1996, the bands sound was fantastic and full. I was back of the mob both nights probably 20 yards left of and up from the mixing desk tower.pjl44 said:
I've been to good festivals and bad festivals. If anything is constant it's that sound inside beats sound outside.SandyRavage said:
Why do you keep assuming festivals are like this after account after account on here of people saying you are WRONG???Lerxst1992 said:
Sorry about that experience. Imagine it replicated in the mud, with no bathrooms nearby, jammed in with aggressive teens with poor sanitary habits.
We get it.
You don't like festivals and would rather see Pearl Jam in a big concrete metal building with piss poor sound.
Different strokes for different folks. Accept it and move on.
I've been in arenas at times when it has been a jumbled mess, in 1998 to me, if you were not in the first part of the floor or side 100s near the overhead stacks the sound could be quite distorted.
Fenway Park 2016 I was A's row 13, Mike's side. That was the best I have ever heard Pearl Jam's live audio sound. Every instrument was crystal clear.His eminence has yet to show.
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"The problems of dealing with outdoor performance areas are considerably greater than those encountered in indoor spaces. Indoor spaces provide surface reflections and absorption of sound, both of which can be manipulated through proper design to yield the desired results with respect to reverberation time and sounddispersion. In the case of outdoor performing areas, there are no reflective surfaces (except in the cases of certain amphitheaters), and the need for sound amplification is often necessitated. A reflective bandshell is generally required to direct the program material toward the audience. The lack of wall reflections tends to result in a lack of musical sonority that is usually present in a well‐designed indoor auditorium."PB11041 said:
That is a patently false premise. If it is done correctly both are fine.pjl44 said:
Well, sure, if someone botches something the sound can be bad anywhere. And I've certainly been to outdoor shows that sound good (Fenway), but it's a simple matter of acoustics. The vast majority of indoor shows will sound better than the vast majority of outdoor shows.PB11041 said:
That is not a constant, it all depends on your vantage point in any setting. At Randall's Island 1996, the bands sound was fantastic and full. I was back of the mob both nights probably 20 yards left of and up from the mixing desk tower.pjl44 said:
I've been to good festivals and bad festivals. If anything is constant it's that sound inside beats sound outside.SandyRavage said:
Why do you keep assuming festivals are like this after account after account on here of people saying you are WRONG???Lerxst1992 said:
Sorry about that experience. Imagine it replicated in the mud, with no bathrooms nearby, jammed in with aggressive teens with poor sanitary habits.
We get it.
You don't like festivals and would rather see Pearl Jam in a big concrete metal building with piss poor sound.
Different strokes for different folks. Accept it and move on.
I've been in arenas at times when it has been a jumbled mess, in 1998 to me, if you were not in the first part of the floor or side 100s near the overhead stacks the sound could be quite distorted.
Fenway Park 2016 I was A's row 13, Mike's side. That was the best I have ever heard Pearl Jam's live audio sound. Every instrument was crystal clear.0 -
What a great quote. Which proves my point. Read the word clues. "the problems" "considerably greater" "manipulated through proper design" "need for for sound amplification".pjl44 said:
"The problems of dealing with outdoor performance areas are considerably greater than those encountered in indoor spaces. Indoor spaces provide surface reflections and absorption of sound, both of which can be manipulated through proper design to yield the desired results with respect to reverberation time and sounddispersion. In the case of outdoor performing areas, there are no reflective surfaces (except in the cases of certain amphitheaters), and the need for sound amplification is often necessitated. A reflective bandshell is generally required to direct the program material toward the audience. The lack of wall reflections tends to result in a lack of musical sonority that is usually present in a well‐designed indoor auditorium."PB11041 said:
That is a patently false premise. If it is done correctly both are fine.pjl44 said:
Well, sure, if someone botches something the sound can be bad anywhere. And I've certainly been to outdoor shows that sound good (Fenway), but it's a simple matter of acoustics. The vast majority of indoor shows will sound better than the vast majority of outdoor shows.PB11041 said:
That is not a constant, it all depends on your vantage point in any setting. At Randall's Island 1996, the bands sound was fantastic and full. I was back of the mob both nights probably 20 yards left of and up from the mixing desk tower.pjl44 said:
I've been to good festivals and bad festivals. If anything is constant it's that sound inside beats sound outside.SandyRavage said:
Why do you keep assuming festivals are like this after account after account on here of people saying you are WRONG???Lerxst1992 said:
Sorry about that experience. Imagine it replicated in the mud, with no bathrooms nearby, jammed in with aggressive teens with poor sanitary habits.
We get it.
You don't like festivals and would rather see Pearl Jam in a big concrete metal building with piss poor sound.
Different strokes for different folks. Accept it and move on.
I've been in arenas at times when it has been a jumbled mess, in 1998 to me, if you were not in the first part of the floor or side 100s near the overhead stacks the sound could be quite distorted.
Fenway Park 2016 I was A's row 13, Mike's side. That was the best I have ever heard Pearl Jam's live audio sound. Every instrument was crystal clear.
So if your case is, it is easier to play an unamplified acoustic guitar in Carnegie Hall than it is in Solider Field, you win. The point that was actually being made is that it is 2019, and quality sound systems can overcome design flaws no matter the venue. Ergo, the sound will not be inherently worse outside or better inside if the people in charge of the sound know what they are doing.
His eminence has yet to show.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
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