2020 Tour Rumor Thread

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  • SandyRavage
    SandyRavage Posts: 1,126
    njnancy said:
    SandyRavage said:
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    I kinda doubt either of these festivals is going to have much to do with the spirit of Woodstock. This is going to be about making money.
    Bingo. 
    This stigma makes me chuckle. You guys laugh at me for defending something from bullshit criticism and then act like you 100% know for a fact it will be a nightmare. How far did you look into the crystal ball to see that one jack? 

    The reason I'm defending music festivals is because I see them from a young persons perspective. I'm sorry guys, but the days of 20-somethings following their favorite bands around the country are over. Espeically when Ticketmaster tickets are $250+ fees, and a music festival with 60+ acts is the same price.
    Yes, you do have the same sort of attitude that my millenial son falls into often. I discourage it. 
    Is this supposed to be some kind of "stick it to um" comment? I'm not trying to step on anyones toes, only offering what I believe is valid skepticism. Yall are the ones who jumped my shit
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,118
    SandyRavage said:
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    I kinda doubt either of these festivals is going to have much to do with the spirit of Woodstock. This is going to be about making money.
    Bingo. 
    This stigma makes me chuckle. You guys laugh at me for defending something from bullshit criticism and then act like you 100% know for a fact it will be a nightmare. How far did you look into the crystal ball to see that one jack? 

    The reason I'm defending music festivals is because I see them from a young persons perspective. I'm sorry guys, but the days of 20-somethings following their favorite bands around the country are over. Espeically when Ticketmaster tickets are $250+ fees, and a music festival with 60+ acts is the same price.
    Which bands are charging $250+ for tickets?  I saw u2 last year for $75 and was three people from the barricade.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • SandyRavage
    SandyRavage Posts: 1,126
    mcgruff10 said:
    SandyRavage said:
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    I kinda doubt either of these festivals is going to have much to do with the spirit of Woodstock. This is going to be about making money.
    Bingo. 
    This stigma makes me chuckle. You guys laugh at me for defending something from bullshit criticism and then act like you 100% know for a fact it will be a nightmare. How far did you look into the crystal ball to see that one jack? 

    The reason I'm defending music festivals is because I see them from a young persons perspective. I'm sorry guys, but the days of 20-somethings following their favorite bands around the country are over. Espeically when Ticketmaster tickets are $250+ fees, and a music festival with 60+ acts is the same price.
    Which bands are charging $250+ for tickets?  I saw u2 last year for $75 and was three people from the barricade.
    Oh great now we are going to have a statistical war. 

    I'll give you a lineup of bands who came through my city last year (and some who are coming this year) and charged $200-$250 per seat in the lower/bowl floor: 

    -Guns N' Roses
    -Elton John
    -Taylor Swift
    -Ed Sheeran 
    -Paul McCartney 
    -Justin Timberlake
    -Panic! at the Disco 
    -Drake 

    All I'm saying. 
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    SandyRavage said:
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    I kinda doubt either of these festivals is going to have much to do with the spirit of Woodstock. This is going to be about making money.
    Bingo. 
    This stigma makes me chuckle. You guys laugh at me for defending something from bullshit criticism and then act like you 100% know for a fact it will be a nightmare. How far did you look into the crystal ball to see that one jack? 

    The reason I'm defending music festivals is because I see them from a young persons perspective. I'm sorry guys, but the days of 20-somethings following their favorite bands around the country are over. Espeically when Ticketmaster tickets are $250+ fees, and a music festival with 60+ acts is the same price.
    No crystal ball here, Jack. If you think it’s about anything other than money, wake up. That’s what I said “bingo” to. Nothing about the festival being a nightmare (although it will be). 
  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,619
    I don’t mind festivals. My biggest gripe is typically not getting longer sets from the people I really like. It’s the experience and look-at-me social media that makes festivals popular now. That and headliners. For most people it doesn’t truly seem to be about seeing multiple bands you like and I think most would prefer individual shows instead. Nothing to back any of this up besides my thoughts. 
    Pittsburgh 2013
    Cincinnati 2014
    Greenville 2016
    (Raleigh 2016)
    Columbia 2016
  • Chadplam
    Chadplam Alberta Posts: 186
    SandyRavage said:
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    I kinda doubt either of these festivals is going to have much to do with the spirit of Woodstock. This is going to be about making money.
    Bingo. 
    This stigma makes me chuckle. You guys laugh at me for defending something from bullshit criticism and then act like you 100% know for a fact it will be a nightmare. How far did you look into the crystal ball to see that one jack? 

    The reason I'm defending music festivals is because I see them from a young persons perspective. I'm sorry guys, but the days of 20-somethings following their favorite bands around the country are over. Espeically when Ticketmaster tickets are $250+ fees, and a music festival with 60+ acts is the same price.
    As a 20 something, we can still follow bands around, some of us anyways. Its I'm sure not as easy as it once was but I saw Gilmour 18 times in the span of a year. I didn't plan to go that much but things sorta snowballed. Anyways as a young person who lives in northern Canada where we have no festivals really, I haven't been to many large ones, however I went to kaaboo this year and it was a really great experience. I got to see like 10 bands I like and hang with my sister in the sun. That festival was a very rock and pop lineup, whereas if you get a mostly pop lineup with a couple rock bands you're going to get a very different crowd especially the ones that just go for the photo op. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying really just adding on.
    2016- TOTD Seattle Night 1+2
    2018- Home Shows Night 1+2, Missoula 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    SandyRavage said:
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    I kinda doubt either of these festivals is going to have much to do with the spirit of Woodstock. This is going to be about making money.
    Bingo. 
    This stigma makes me chuckle. You guys laugh at me for defending something from bullshit criticism and then act like you 100% know for a fact it will be a nightmare. How far did you look into the crystal ball to see that one jack? 

    The reason I'm defending music festivals is because I see them from a young persons perspective. I'm sorry guys, but the days of 20-somethings following their favorite bands around the country are over. Espeically when Ticketmaster tickets are $250+ fees, and a music festival with 60+ acts is the same price.
    What? I didn't laugh at you at all. I just don't believe these festivals are going to be about anything other than the spirit of making money. If you disagree, fine. If you take some sort of personal offense to that, that is your problem.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • njnancy
    njnancy Posts: 5,096
    SandyRavage said:
    njnancy said:
    SandyRavage said:
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    I kinda doubt either of these festivals is going to have much to do with the spirit of Woodstock. This is going to be about making money.
    Bingo. 
    This stigma makes me chuckle. You guys laugh at me for defending something from bullshit criticism and then act like you 100% know for a fact it will be a nightmare. How far did you look into the crystal ball to see that one jack? 

    The reason I'm defending music festivals is because I see them from a young persons perspective. I'm sorry guys, but the days of 20-somethings following their favorite bands around the country are over. Espeically when Ticketmaster tickets are $250+ fees, and a music festival with 60+ acts is the same price.
    Yes, you do have the same sort of attitude that my millenial son falls into often. I discourage it. 
    Is this supposed to be some kind of "stick it to um" comment? I'm not trying to step on anyones toes, only offering what I believe is valid skepticism. Yall are the ones who jumped my shit
    No. I have no desire to stick it to anyone. Well, in RL maybe. It was just an observation as a mom to a 'young person'.

    There are stark similarities in communication. Nothing venomous or secretly manipulative intended. What I said is what I meant, nothing more.
  • CW55354
    CW55354 Posts: 200
    For point of reference, a whole bunch of bands threatened to drop out of the first Woodstock when they found out about The Who’s $100,000 paycheck to play. Lang had to come up with money fast or he would have been in trouble. It’s always been about the money. Let’s not kid ourselves about that. 

    As someone who went to ‘94 and ‘99 Woodstock, I hope I can get to go to this one, especially if Pearl Jam plays. ‘99 definitely had its problems, but I made the best of it and had a great time despite it all. 
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    When 20 something’s followed PJ they weren’t legacy band status charging $120.

    20 somethings should be following their favorite up and coming band charging $40-$50.
  • njnancy
    njnancy Posts: 5,096
    bootlegger10 said:
    When 20 something’s followed PJ they weren’t legacy band status charging $120.

    20 somethings should be following their favorite up and coming band charging $40-$50.
    Shit, Pearl Jam was in their mid to late 20's when they formed!  I kinda like the fact that I grew up right along with them. 

    My worst pseudo festival was  Monsters of Rock at Giants Stadium back in the late 80's. I went to see Van Halen, but the crowd was into the newer thrash and death metal bands and they were throwing garbage and bottles down on  loge - where I was. We were soaking wet and covered with food and garbage. We were getting cut, slashed and pummeled by the bottles and all kinds of dangerous items  that wwew  raining down.  People even pulled the toilets off the walls. This went on for hours and hours and security couldn't do a damn thing, it was out of control.  

    I was into heavy metal but this was bullshit..Never experienced any thing as bad as this. It was the era of the mega concerts and benefit concerts before festivals - Amnesty International Concert was awesome with 19 bands in Giants Stadium.that was a phenomenal experience. Live Aid I watched on TV. 

    I stopped going to heavy metal concerts after that - the fans sucked. I still get pissed thinking of it.  
  • Chadplam
    Chadplam Alberta Posts: 186
    bootlegger10 said:
    When 20 something’s followed PJ they weren’t legacy band status charging $120.

    20 somethings should be following their favorite up and coming band charging $40-$50.
    Totally agree, like I said I'm in northern Canada, luckily a decent amount of Canadian bands and large bands come through however smaller bands not from Canada rarely come but when they do thats what myself and my friends do follow them around  the whole province usually hitting 3 or 4 shows on the tour. Makes some great memories, just wish it happened more than 1 or so a year...
    2016- TOTD Seattle Night 1+2
    2018- Home Shows Night 1+2, Missoula 
  • kaw753
    kaw753 Posts: 941
    It seems like the key to getting Pearl Jam to play every 2 nights for 3 years is simply to get them to do a farewell tour. Ozzy's is literally almost killing him, but he just got finished the Black Sabbath 3 year farewell tour. 
  • SandyRavage
    SandyRavage Posts: 1,126
    kaw753 said:
    It seems like the key to getting Pearl Jam to play every 2 nights for 3 years is simply to get them to do a farewell tour. Ozzy's is literally almost killing him, but he just got finished the Black Sabbath 3 year farewell tour. 
    That was almost a year and a half ago... Ozzy is going to tour solo until he dies... even if thats what eventually kills him 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,898
    CW55354 said:
    For point of reference, a whole bunch of bands threatened to drop out of the first Woodstock when they found out about The Who’s $100,000 paycheck to play. Lang had to come up with money fast or he would have been in trouble. It’s always been about the money. Let’s not kid ourselves about that. 

    As someone who went to ‘94 and ‘99 Woodstock, I hope I can get to go to this one, especially if Pearl Jam plays. ‘99 definitely had its problems, but I made the best of it and had a great time despite it all. 


    I respectfully disagree.

    PJ IMO  is by far the toughest ticket in the NYC area to get. 

    They charged $115 including SC last time they played MSG? The cheapest a major in demand band charges here. They have left millions upon millions on the table here over the years. Bless them.

    If they wanted to focus on earnings, they  could easily charge $175-200 average price at MSG and gross $3.5M a show, and sell out 10 in a row, 25 in a row, if they desire, with ease. And net about half that with no interim travel or backline costs for a summer residency.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,898
    njnancy said:
    SandyRavage said:



    njnancy said:
    SandyRavage said:
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    I kinda doubt either of these festivals is going to have much to do with the spirit of Woodstock. This is going to be about making money.
    Bingo. 
    This stigma makes me chuckle. You guys laugh at me for defending something from bullshit criticism and then act like you 100% know for a fact it will be a nightmare. How far did you look into the crystal ball to see that one jack? 

    The reason I'm defending music festivals is because I see them from a young persons perspective. I'm sorry guys, but the days of 20-somethings following their favorite bands around the country are over. Espeically when Ticketmaster tickets are $250+ fees, and a music festival with 60+ acts is the same price.
    Yes, you do have the same sort of attitude that my millenial son falls into often. I discourage it. 
    Is this supposed to be some kind of "stick it to um" comment? I'm not trying to step on anyones toes, only offering what I believe is valid skepticism. Yall are the ones who jumped my shit
    No. I have no desire to stick it to anyone. Well, in RL maybe. It was just an observation as a mom to a 'young person'.

    There are stark similarities in communication. Nothing venomous or secretly manipulative intended. What I said is what I meant, nothing more.


    For a band that rarely tours in the US, its a damn shame they are deciding to go the festival route.

    Forgetting how special a packed arena is with only their fans, forgetting how old their OGT fans are and unwilling to stand in a field for 10 hours, forgetting what a clusterf*ck festivals can be.  in this very comment box, festivals are more money for the band AND  better for fans due to the "value." No, charge us VIP and platinum and watch the money.
  • whoanelly15
    whoanelly15 Posts: 742
    Maybe they want some new fans...
  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 960
    This won't be popular but they really should charge more for tickets and offer VIP and Platinum packages.  The per show earnings would definitely motivate them to do a proper arena tour and less festivals. 
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,064
    whoanelly15 said:
    Maybe they want some new fans...
    Then they should put out some new music. 
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,127
    helplessdancer said:
    Get_Right said:
    I really hope its not Watkins Glen.  I love festivals, but a 100,000 people in the middle of nowhere will be a challenge.
    a challenge is an under statement !! rail spots? posters? merch? the rain, the heat the lack of water. the parking lot, the brown acid
    way too many unknowns 
    I wouldn't have those concerns if it was a C3 production in a metropolitan area.  Watkins Glen is in a beautiful part of NY state, but it is remote.
    I guess I will wait and see what the lineup, costs, and logistics are before worrying about it. I love outdoor festivals when they are run well. 

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