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You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
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You make some weird conclusions off of the simple point of that I can't afford any more taxes. NJ is the most heavily taxed state in the country. No more. Our governor has illusions of free community college and $15 minimum wage; who the hell is paying for all of this? oh yeah, the middle class lol. yeah no thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
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But you’re going to eventually pay one way or the other anyway. Why not pay for the investment that gives you the greatest return on investment? My state has made community college free for all residents and we’re not drowning in debt or having our taxes raised through the roof.mcgruff10 said:
You make some weird conclusions off of the simple point of that I can't afford any more taxes. NJ is the most heavily taxed state in the country. No more. Our governor has illusions of free community college and $15 minimum wage; who the hell is paying for all of this? oh yeah, the middle class lol. yeah no thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
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He mentioned his "way too progressive governor" earlier and left out that under the previous gov for the last 8 years, Chris Christie, taxes in NJ went up about 2%.Halifax2TheMax said:
But you’re going to eventually pay one way or the other anyway. Why not pay for the investment that gives you the greatest return on investment? My state has made community college free for all residents and we’re not drowning in debt or having our taxes raised through the roof.mcgruff10 said:
You make some weird conclusions off of the simple point of that I can't afford any more taxes. NJ is the most heavily taxed state in the country. No more. Our governor has illusions of free community college and $15 minimum wage; who the hell is paying for all of this? oh yeah, the middle class lol. yeah no thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
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Sorry I didn’t give the history of raising taxes in New Jersey lol.The Juggler said:
He mentioned his "way too progressive governor" earlier and left out that under the previous gov for the last 8 years, Chris Christie, taxes in NJ went up about 2%.Halifax2TheMax said:
But you’re going to eventually pay one way or the other anyway. Why not pay for the investment that gives you the greatest return on investment? My state has made community college free for all residents and we’re not drowning in debt or having our taxes raised through the roof.mcgruff10 said:
You make some weird conclusions off of the simple point of that I can't afford any more taxes. NJ is the most heavily taxed state in the country. No more. Our governor has illusions of free community college and $15 minimum wage; who the hell is paying for all of this? oh yeah, the middle class lol. yeah no thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to prefer to punish, limit, exclude, not sure what the proper term is, children who had no choice in the matter, brought to the US by they’re parent(s) as minors and are now willing and able to be productive members of society. Your stance leads to the things Team Trump Treason’s Stupid Wall he claims will prevent, crime, gang activity, drug trafficking. Pay for ROI or pay for incarceration, deportation, immigration hearings and get nothing for it. Seems like responsible fiscal policy, just like the wall is a wise investment.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
What’s my weird conclusion?
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We do not give student loans or health care to illegal immigrants in Ontario, nor should we. Our services are stretched to max at times.mcgruff10 said:
Invest in people who are here legally, plain and simple. I don’t care if you are red, orange, yellow, green, blue or purple, Just be in the us legally. Do you reward illegal immigrants college education in Canada?PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
in nj, our way too progressive governor wants to give illegal immigrants a drivers license but yet i have to show four different forms of id to get my license renewed. You are here illegally, no you should not get a license.
And no Jose I m not against anybody from central or South America because illegal is not a race.
I wonder if I illegally moved to Canada or Australia, could
i get a valid drivers license? Would my kids get money for college?Give Peas A Chance…0 -
You pay 10 K in property taxes. Wow. Do they cut your grass and shovel your driveway for that. You could live 400-500 thousand home where I am at before our greedy government taxes at that rate.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:
You pay 10 K in property taxes. Wow. Do they cut your grass and shovel your driveway for that. You could live 400-500 thousand home where I am at before our greedy government taxes at that rate.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
In general, property taxes are much higher in the US than in Canada. From what I've seen $10,000 isn't out of the ordinary. Property taxes fund education, I'm told.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
10,000 is a lot for an average home (I'm assuming Scruffy lives in an average home like everybody else).
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I live in an area of Canada that is some of the cheapest real estates, if you have a decent job, you can easily afford a nice home. So when I say 1/2 million dollars home, that is way above average home, may even be able to buy on the lake the lake.Give Peas A Chance…0
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Yeah regular house on .2 acres. Nj has the highest property taxes in the nation so 10k is definitely not the norm. Some people in my town pay 25-30 k in taxes.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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No the "School taxes" pay for education here in NY. Then there is a property tax on top of that.oftenreading said:Meltdown99 said:
You pay 10 K in property taxes. Wow. Do they cut your grass and shovel your driveway for that. You could live 400-500 thousand home where I am at before our greedy government taxes at that rate.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
In general, property taxes are much higher in the US than in Canada. From what I've seen $10,000 isn't out of the ordinary. Property taxes fund education, I'm told.
The Lotto was supposed to pay for education but I'm not sure where that money gets allocated to?
I swear that politicians are in office to slowly steal as much money as they can. If they don't play ball a certain way then that is how they get caught. Just my black helicopter feeling again...0 -
That's exactly why politicians become politicians, they line their own pockets and that of their friends...tempo_n_groove said:
No the "School taxes" pay for education here in NY. Then there is a property tax on top of that.oftenreading said:Meltdown99 said:
You pay 10 K in property taxes. Wow. Do they cut your grass and shovel your driveway for that. You could live 400-500 thousand home where I am at before our greedy government taxes at that rate.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
In general, property taxes are much higher in the US than in Canada. From what I've seen $10,000 isn't out of the ordinary. Property taxes fund education, I'm told.
The Lotto was supposed to pay for education but I'm not sure where that money gets allocated to?
I swear that politicians are in office to slowly steal as much money as they can. If they don't play ball a certain way then that is how they get caught. Just my black helicopter feeling again...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Depends on the state, then.tempo_n_groove said:
No the "School taxes" pay for education here in NY. Then there is a property tax on top of that.oftenreading said:Meltdown99 said:
You pay 10 K in property taxes. Wow. Do they cut your grass and shovel your driveway for that. You could live 400-500 thousand home where I am at before our greedy government taxes at that rate.mcgruff10 said:
At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
In general, property taxes are much higher in the US than in Canada. From what I've seen $10,000 isn't out of the ordinary. Property taxes fund education, I'm told.
The Lotto was supposed to pay for education but I'm not sure where that money gets allocated to?
I swear that politicians are in office to slowly steal as much money as they can. If they don't play ball a certain way then that is how they get caught. Just my black helicopter feeling again...
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At this point I'm against anything that adds debt. We need to be paying it down, not adding to it.The Juggler said:
How did you feel about the tax bill last year adding 2 trillion to the deficit?mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
I'd probably vote for whoever has a convincing plan to reduce national debt.
Debt was manageable until W. Bush, then Obama did even more damage to it. National debt is about 70k for every man woman and child. It comes to almost 200k for every tax payer. Its ridiculous, and getting close to beyond the point of ever recovering.0 -
I thought it was beyond being able to pay back now anyways?mace1229 said:
At this point I'm against anything that adds debt. We need to be paying it down, not adding to it.The Juggler said:
How did you feel about the tax bill last year adding 2 trillion to the deficit?mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
I'd probably vote for whoever has a convincing plan to reduce national debt.
Debt was manageable until W. Bush, then Obama did even more damage to it. National debt is about 70k for every man woman and child. It comes to almost 200k for every tax payer. Its ridiculous, and getting close to beyond the point of ever recovering.
The country that is "too big to fail"...
If we go under the worlds economy will go with it unfortunately.
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27mil is a drop in the bucket but so is 5Bil for that wall.
I know I'll be paying for both these things soon enough.0 -
http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.htmltempo_n_groove said:
I thought it was beyond being able to pay back now anyways?mace1229 said:
At this point I'm against anything that adds debt. We need to be paying it down, not adding to it.The Juggler said:
How did you feel about the tax bill last year adding 2 trillion to the deficit?mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
I'd probably vote for whoever has a convincing plan to reduce national debt.
Debt was manageable until W. Bush, then Obama did even more damage to it. National debt is about 70k for every man woman and child. It comes to almost 200k for every tax payer. Its ridiculous, and getting close to beyond the point of ever recovering.
The country that is "too big to fail"...
If we go under the worlds economy will go with it unfortunately.
Thread integrity.
27mil is a drop in the bucket but so is 5Bil for that wall.
I know I'll be paying for both these things soon enough.
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OMG this thing is amazing.Halifax2TheMax said:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.htmltempo_n_groove said:
I thought it was beyond being able to pay back now anyways?mace1229 said:
At this point I'm against anything that adds debt. We need to be paying it down, not adding to it.The Juggler said:
How did you feel about the tax bill last year adding 2 trillion to the deficit?mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
I'd probably vote for whoever has a convincing plan to reduce national debt.
Debt was manageable until W. Bush, then Obama did even more damage to it. National debt is about 70k for every man woman and child. It comes to almost 200k for every tax payer. Its ridiculous, and getting close to beyond the point of ever recovering.
The country that is "too big to fail"...
If we go under the worlds economy will go with it unfortunately.
Thread integrity.
27mil is a drop in the bucket but so is 5Bil for that wall.
I know I'll be paying for both these things soon enough.
So in a nutshell we spend 4T and take in 3T.
Medicaid and SS account for 1/2 of our spending...
Something else interesting is our workforce has not had a significant increase in almost 20 years.0
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