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They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
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Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
It doesn't "only benefit illegal immigrants." It makes them eligible for a program that they were previously prevented from benefitting from. And the cost is $27MM. Again, in Wilbur Ross' parlance, a drop in the bucket to NY State's GDP. With a healthy ROI.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Also not true.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
I responded to your first part before reading the whole thing.
Graduates now are still paying off debt well into their 30s and even 40s. We are setting college grads up for failure. We make them believe they need a 4 year college education, and even a cheap option is going to cost 100k. There is nothing shortsighted about it. We are setting our kids up for failure by putting the into so much debt to get through college.
And yes some can argue they take out too much and their parents should have saved and so on. But the reality is the average family can't afford to save 100k per child to cover the cost of college, and even an in-state school will run 100k after 4 years.
Seriously, would you be okay with sending lower-income families up to Canada to have your taxes pay for their education if your cost of education was as high?Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
And that is why the left is constantly talking about helping EVERYONE pay for a college education. This isn't an all or nothing thing. I do not understand the viewpoint of "don't help them at all until these others are completely taken care of." More than one thing can be done at one time... You should definitely vote Democrat in the next election if you're this concerned about tuition rates btw.
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Bravo ! But you know the thinking of the people who opposse immigration from Central America and just Central America , the same folks here who are allways oppossing immigrants from Central America don't blink an eye about all the immigrants that fly here on visas from Europe ...PJ_Soul said:And that is why the left is constantly talking about helping EVERYONE pay for a college education. This isn't an all or nothing thing. I do not understand the viewpoint of "don't help them at all until these others are completely taken care of." More than one thing can be done at one time... You should definitely vote Democrat in the next election if you're this concerned about tuition rates btw.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
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Also not true.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
I responded to your first part before reading the whole thing.
Graduates now are still paying off debt well into their 30s and even 40s. We are setting college grads up for failure. We make them believe they need a 4 year college education, and even a cheap option is going to cost 100k. There is nothing shortsighted about it. We are setting our kids up for failure by putting the into so much debt to get through college.
And yes some can argue they take out too much and their parents should have saved and so on. But the reality is the average family can't afford to save 100k per child to cover the cost of college, and even an in-state school will run 100k after 4 years.
Seriously, would you be okay with sending lower-income families up to Canada to have your taxes pay for their education if your cost of education was as high?
Nobody is holding a gun to their heads, Mace. Who is this "we" you speak of, when you discuss we're setting college grads up for failure? Studies and unemployment levels by education level routinely show that college education has benefits for long term quality of life. Is it a guarantee to a rich and prosperous life? no. But if you go massively into debt for a philosophy degree and then return to live in the small town in the middle of nowhere to be a philosopher where there is no market for a philosopher, that's on you.NY State in-state tuition and fees in a NY State college or university averages approximately $6,300 per year. Four years is $25,200. Have a kid and put $100 a month in the stock market for 18 years and you get $21,600, without compounding ROI. Add work study, scholarships and working and saving while in high school, and you don't have to go thousands in debt. There are also community colleges for two year programs and transferring to a 4 year school that can reduce the outlay. There is a level of personal responsibility when it comes to college education and how you pay for it, as well as a realistic view of the cost-benefit analysis.
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No shit where do you think the $ is coming from? Is Mexico going to pay for it after they build the wall?mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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No shit where do you think the $ is coming from? Is Mexico going to pay for it after they build the wall?mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Well, there is Team Trump Treason requesting $5.6BB for his stupid wall that would be so much better spent for college tuition.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
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Been a few months. How's everyone holding up with the invasion?www.myspace.com0
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I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.0 -
How did you feel about the tax bill last year adding 2 trillion to the deficit?mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.www.myspace.com0 -
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
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Invest in people who are here legally, plain and simple. I don’t care if you are red, orange, yellow, green, blue or purple, Just be in the us legally. Do you reward illegal immigrants college education in Canada?PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
in nj, our way too progressive governor wants to give illegal immigrants a drivers license but yet i have to show four different forms of id to get my license renewed. You are here illegally, no you should not get a license.
And no Jose I m not against anybody from central or South America because illegal is not a race.
I wonder if I illegally moved to Canada or Australia, could
i get a valid drivers license? Would my kids get money for college?
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$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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At some point enough is enough so please don’t try to sell me the idea of increasing my taxes yet again to support prople who are illegally here. I pay over 10k In property taxes, let’s find ways to reduce that number instead of constantly increasing it.Halifax2TheMax said:
My state has set up a fund solely for undocumented immigrants. There are restrictions such as graduate of in-state high school and attend a state college or university in-state. Fund is first come, first served and was started January 1st of this year for 2019/2020 academic year. Haven’t found how much has been allocated yet. So yea, it appears I will have funded an undocumented immigrant’s college education to some degree. I’m proud to live in a progressive state. Also, as a scholarship fund administrator for a scholarship fund set up by a departed friend, I may have granted scholarship money to an undocumented immigrant but I have no way of know since we don’t ask immigration/residency status of applicants.mcgruff10 said:
ZeroHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not sure. How about you? I’ll do some research and let you know. I do pay taxes though in my state.mcgruff10 said:
How much did you donate last year to send an illegal immigrant to college?Halifax2TheMax said:
$27MM in NY State. $1.5T in tax cuts 80% of which went to the top 2%. But yea, the “other.”PJ_Soul said:
But it's not just "giving away" money. It's investing money into something that will have a pay off down the road. It's an investment for the future.mace1229 said:
I understand how budgets work. At the end of the day unless this grant is 100% privately funded (which it isn’t) the money comes from somewhere. Maybe not directly from another college grant, but does come from somewhere or taxes to pay for it. And if it doesn’t, then it’s contributing to our $23 trillion debt.PJ_Soul said:
That really isn't how budgets and funding for programs works. If you and I sat down and did it, maybe it would be like that. Look, the government can actually afford both right now, easily, but it chooses to spend (waste) that money elsewhere either way.mace1229 said:
They sort of are.PJ_Soul said:There are programs for citizens already. It's not like they are taking from the existing kids and giving to the Dreamers instead. The whole point is obviously to enrich America in the long run. I think those who are worried about where that money is going now are just being really shortsighted about the whole thing.
Money has to come from somewhere. Either they take it from other programs that would have gone to tuition for citizens, or it is taken from other sources that could have gone to healthcare, education, anything. Its not like this is free money that falls from trees and they have to decide who to give it to, its real money. So a program that is intended to only benefit illegal immigrants will have a negative financial impact on legal citizens whether it be lack of funding to education, police, health or whatever else it could have gone too. Or, as mentioned before, millions of citizens who are in thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
Which actually really scares me, if changes aren’t made to our budgets to repay this debt, we could see a collapse in my lifetime. Which is why I’m against just giving away unaccounted for money.
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