Online petition calls for firing of Alta. police officer who ran over deer

PJ_Soul · January 2019

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think he should absolutely be fired because he displayed poor decision-making, laziness, a profound lack of empathy, and a capacity for cruelty. Definitely not qualities you want in any police officer, obviously. If he can do this to a fawn, then he's for sure not going to treat human beings the way police officers are expected to in a civilized society.

1st: I appreciate due process. is it highly likely he acted the way it's been reported? yes. 100%? no. still on active duty? no, he should be suspended or put on desk duty during investigation.

2nd: the way people treat animals is not 100% the way they treat humans. and I say this as a person who tears up watching The Dodo animal videos on twitter. might be prudent to look at his overall record with humans, if they've received any complaints or red flag comments, etc, before jumping the gun.

Oh, of course, I meant fired if it happened the way Meltdown said it happened.
But I do not trust people who mistreat animals to make the right decisions with humans. I've definitely got a zero tolerance policy when it comes to that, lol. But my first and main point was that his decision making skills are seriously lacking, and THAT makes me not trust him with humans more than anything else.

I just mean that a lot of people, even people I know who are good people, and aren't serial killers, don't have the same attitudes towards animals that you and I do. Mainly: hunters. I don't know many, but the ones I do know, they are good humans to other humans, but don't have that same standard when it comes to animals.

Yeah, but do you know any hunters that would, say, slowly stab an animal to death rather than efficiently shoot them to keep the suffering to a minimum??

I think it was a dumb decision. But in all reality, it may have really been the most humane for the animal. Police can't just fire their weapons like that. There is going to be a lot of paperwork every time they discharge their weapon, and killing an injured deer within city limits may not be approved. I don't know the laws up there, but I know many police would face discipline actions for shooting an injured deer and calling animal control could take who knows how long.
Like I said, I don't think what he did was right. And I don't know the guy he could be a total a-hole, I'm just responding to your comment of just shooting it to put it out and why that may not have been an option.

Police can fire their weapons to put the injured animal down. Its fuckin Alberta, you mean this dick head didn't know at least 1 hunter who would put down this animal humanely. I worked with a fellow who often put injured deer down for a cop friend who just couldn't shoot an animal.

Yeah, I'm under the impression that cops can do that too. Hell, they're allowed to shoot dogs who are barking at them in people's yards apparently, so they can certainly shoot a deer or bear that's been run over.

mace1229 · January 2019

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think he should absolutely be fired because he displayed poor decision-making, laziness, a profound lack of empathy, and a capacity for cruelty. Definitely not qualities you want in any police officer, obviously. If he can do this to a fawn, then he's for sure not going to treat human beings the way police officers are expected to in a civilized society.

1st: I appreciate due process. is it highly likely he acted the way it's been reported? yes. 100%? no. still on active duty? no, he should be suspended or put on desk duty during investigation.

2nd: the way people treat animals is not 100% the way they treat humans. and I say this as a person who tears up watching The Dodo animal videos on twitter. might be prudent to look at his overall record with humans, if they've received any complaints or red flag comments, etc, before jumping the gun.

Oh, of course, I meant fired if it happened the way Meltdown said it happened.
But I do not trust people who mistreat animals to make the right decisions with humans. I've definitely got a zero tolerance policy when it comes to that, lol. But my first and main point was that his decision making skills are seriously lacking, and THAT makes me not trust him with humans more than anything else.

I just mean that a lot of people, even people I know who are good people, and aren't serial killers, don't have the same attitudes towards animals that you and I do. Mainly: hunters. I don't know many, but the ones I do know, they are good humans to other humans, but don't have that same standard when it comes to animals.

Yeah, but do you know any hunters that would, say, slowly stab an animal to death rather than efficiently shoot them to keep the suffering to a minimum??

I think it was a dumb decision. But in all reality, it may have really been the most humane for the animal. Police can't just fire their weapons like that. There is going to be a lot of paperwork every time they discharge their weapon, and killing an injured deer within city limits may not be approved. I don't know the laws up there, but I know many police would face discipline actions for shooting an injured deer and calling animal control could take who knows how long.
Like I said, I don't think what he did was right. And I don't know the guy he could be a total a-hole, I'm just responding to your comment of just shooting it to put it out and why that may not have been an option.

Police can fire their weapons to put the injured animal down. Its fuckin Alberta, you mean this dick head didn't know at least 1 hunter who would put down this animal humanely. I worked with a fellow who often put injured deer down for a cop friend who just couldn't shoot an animal.

Yeah, I'm under the impression that cops can do that too. Hell, they're allowed to shoot dogs who are barking at them in people's yards apparently, so they can certainly shoot a deer or bear that's been run over.

first, all a cop really needs to do is say he felt threatened by the dog. That is pretty easy. I've never heard of a cop shooting a dog just because it was barking, especially if it was contained in a yard.

And I agree with you this was not the best decision, I wasn't defending him. And I have no idea how Alberta works, but just that I am fairly certain if a cop shot an injured animal in the states he would face consequences. I didn't really mean that the paperwork would prevent him from doing it, but that its not like he could just shoot it and walk away.
And I agree with you, and I don't know how it works up there. But down here I can't see a cop shooting an injured animal off the side of the road as an option. He'd call animal control and probably wait an hour for him to arrive.

PJ_Soul · January 2019

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think he should absolutely be fired because he displayed poor decision-making, laziness, a profound lack of empathy, and a capacity for cruelty. Definitely not qualities you want in any police officer, obviously. If he can do this to a fawn, then he's for sure not going to treat human beings the way police officers are expected to in a civilized society.

1st: I appreciate due process. is it highly likely he acted the way it's been reported? yes. 100%? no. still on active duty? no, he should be suspended or put on desk duty during investigation.

2nd: the way people treat animals is not 100% the way they treat humans. and I say this as a person who tears up watching The Dodo animal videos on twitter. might be prudent to look at his overall record with humans, if they've received any complaints or red flag comments, etc, before jumping the gun.

Oh, of course, I meant fired if it happened the way Meltdown said it happened.
But I do not trust people who mistreat animals to make the right decisions with humans. I've definitely got a zero tolerance policy when it comes to that, lol. But my first and main point was that his decision making skills are seriously lacking, and THAT makes me not trust him with humans more than anything else.

I just mean that a lot of people, even people I know who are good people, and aren't serial killers, don't have the same attitudes towards animals that you and I do. Mainly: hunters. I don't know many, but the ones I do know, they are good humans to other humans, but don't have that same standard when it comes to animals.

Yeah, but do you know any hunters that would, say, slowly stab an animal to death rather than efficiently shoot them to keep the suffering to a minimum??

I think it was a dumb decision. But in all reality, it may have really been the most humane for the animal. Police can't just fire their weapons like that. There is going to be a lot of paperwork every time they discharge their weapon, and killing an injured deer within city limits may not be approved. I don't know the laws up there, but I know many police would face discipline actions for shooting an injured deer and calling animal control could take who knows how long.
Like I said, I don't think what he did was right. And I don't know the guy he could be a total a-hole, I'm just responding to your comment of just shooting it to put it out and why that may not have been an option.

Police can fire their weapons to put the injured animal down. Its fuckin Alberta, you mean this dick head didn't know at least 1 hunter who would put down this animal humanely. I worked with a fellow who often put injured deer down for a cop friend who just couldn't shoot an animal.

Yeah, I'm under the impression that cops can do that too. Hell, they're allowed to shoot dogs who are barking at them in people's yards apparently, so they can certainly shoot a deer or bear that's been run over.

first, all a cop really needs to do is say he felt threatened by the dog. That is pretty easy. I've never heard of a cop shooting a dog just because it was barking, especially if it was contained in a yard.

And I agree with you this was not the best decision, I wasn't defending him. And I have no idea how Alberta works, but just that I am fairly certain if a cop shot an injured animal in the states he would face consequences. I didn't really mean that the paperwork would prevent him from doing it, but that its not like he could just shoot it and walk away.
And I agree with you, and I don't know how it works up there. But down here I can't see a cop shooting an injured animal off the side of the road as an option. He'd call animal control and probably wait an hour for him to arrive.

I guess you haven't seen the news then, because there are plenty of stories about cops shooting dogs like that, where there was pretty obviously no real threat. Of course the cop just says he felt threatened by the dog. That doesn't mean it's true. The belief that it's not true is the usual reason why they become such big stories in the news.

mace1229 · January 2019

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think he should absolutely be fired because he displayed poor decision-making, laziness, a profound lack of empathy, and a capacity for cruelty. Definitely not qualities you want in any police officer, obviously. If he can do this to a fawn, then he's for sure not going to treat human beings the way police officers are expected to in a civilized society.

1st: I appreciate due process. is it highly likely he acted the way it's been reported? yes. 100%? no. still on active duty? no, he should be suspended or put on desk duty during investigation.

2nd: the way people treat animals is not 100% the way they treat humans. and I say this as a person who tears up watching The Dodo animal videos on twitter. might be prudent to look at his overall record with humans, if they've received any complaints or red flag comments, etc, before jumping the gun.

Oh, of course, I meant fired if it happened the way Meltdown said it happened.
But I do not trust people who mistreat animals to make the right decisions with humans. I've definitely got a zero tolerance policy when it comes to that, lol. But my first and main point was that his decision making skills are seriously lacking, and THAT makes me not trust him with humans more than anything else.

I just mean that a lot of people, even people I know who are good people, and aren't serial killers, don't have the same attitudes towards animals that you and I do. Mainly: hunters. I don't know many, but the ones I do know, they are good humans to other humans, but don't have that same standard when it comes to animals.

Yeah, but do you know any hunters that would, say, slowly stab an animal to death rather than efficiently shoot them to keep the suffering to a minimum??

I think it was a dumb decision. But in all reality, it may have really been the most humane for the animal. Police can't just fire their weapons like that. There is going to be a lot of paperwork every time they discharge their weapon, and killing an injured deer within city limits may not be approved. I don't know the laws up there, but I know many police would face discipline actions for shooting an injured deer and calling animal control could take who knows how long.
Like I said, I don't think what he did was right. And I don't know the guy he could be a total a-hole, I'm just responding to your comment of just shooting it to put it out and why that may not have been an option.

Police can fire their weapons to put the injured animal down. Its fuckin Alberta, you mean this dick head didn't know at least 1 hunter who would put down this animal humanely. I worked with a fellow who often put injured deer down for a cop friend who just couldn't shoot an animal.

Yeah, I'm under the impression that cops can do that too. Hell, they're allowed to shoot dogs who are barking at them in people's yards apparently, so they can certainly shoot a deer or bear that's been run over.

first, all a cop really needs to do is say he felt threatened by the dog. That is pretty easy. I've never heard of a cop shooting a dog just because it was barking, especially if it was contained in a yard.

And I agree with you this was not the best decision, I wasn't defending him. And I have no idea how Alberta works, but just that I am fairly certain if a cop shot an injured animal in the states he would face consequences. I didn't really mean that the paperwork would prevent him from doing it, but that its not like he could just shoot it and walk away.
And I agree with you, and I don't know how it works up there. But down here I can't see a cop shooting an injured animal off the side of the road as an option. He'd call animal control and probably wait an hour for him to arrive.

I guess you haven't seen the news then, because there are plenty of stories about cops shooting dogs like that, where there was pretty obviously no real threat. Of course the cop just says he felt threatened by the dog. That doesn't mean it's true. The belief that it's not true is the usual reason why they become such big stories in the news.

If a dog is contained (chained up or fenced) there would be no reason to claim delf defense or threatened and that should no tbe an option for the cop.
I don't recall any cases like that, but if there are, then they shouldn't be cops.

PJ_Soul · January 2019

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think he should absolutely be fired because he displayed poor decision-making, laziness, a profound lack of empathy, and a capacity for cruelty. Definitely not qualities you want in any police officer, obviously. If he can do this to a fawn, then he's for sure not going to treat human beings the way police officers are expected to in a civilized society.

1st: I appreciate due process. is it highly likely he acted the way it's been reported? yes. 100%? no. still on active duty? no, he should be suspended or put on desk duty during investigation.

2nd: the way people treat animals is not 100% the way they treat humans. and I say this as a person who tears up watching The Dodo animal videos on twitter. might be prudent to look at his overall record with humans, if they've received any complaints or red flag comments, etc, before jumping the gun.

Oh, of course, I meant fired if it happened the way Meltdown said it happened.
But I do not trust people who mistreat animals to make the right decisions with humans. I've definitely got a zero tolerance policy when it comes to that, lol. But my first and main point was that his decision making skills are seriously lacking, and THAT makes me not trust him with humans more than anything else.

I just mean that a lot of people, even people I know who are good people, and aren't serial killers, don't have the same attitudes towards animals that you and I do. Mainly: hunters. I don't know many, but the ones I do know, they are good humans to other humans, but don't have that same standard when it comes to animals.

Yeah, but do you know any hunters that would, say, slowly stab an animal to death rather than efficiently shoot them to keep the suffering to a minimum??

I think it was a dumb decision. But in all reality, it may have really been the most humane for the animal. Police can't just fire their weapons like that. There is going to be a lot of paperwork every time they discharge their weapon, and killing an injured deer within city limits may not be approved. I don't know the laws up there, but I know many police would face discipline actions for shooting an injured deer and calling animal control could take who knows how long.
Like I said, I don't think what he did was right. And I don't know the guy he could be a total a-hole, I'm just responding to your comment of just shooting it to put it out and why that may not have been an option.

Police can fire their weapons to put the injured animal down. Its fuckin Alberta, you mean this dick head didn't know at least 1 hunter who would put down this animal humanely. I worked with a fellow who often put injured deer down for a cop friend who just couldn't shoot an animal.

Yeah, I'm under the impression that cops can do that too. Hell, they're allowed to shoot dogs who are barking at them in people's yards apparently, so they can certainly shoot a deer or bear that's been run over.

first, all a cop really needs to do is say he felt threatened by the dog. That is pretty easy. I've never heard of a cop shooting a dog just because it was barking, especially if it was contained in a yard.

And I agree with you this was not the best decision, I wasn't defending him. And I have no idea how Alberta works, but just that I am fairly certain if a cop shot an injured animal in the states he would face consequences. I didn't really mean that the paperwork would prevent him from doing it, but that its not like he could just shoot it and walk away.
And I agree with you, and I don't know how it works up there. But down here I can't see a cop shooting an injured animal off the side of the road as an option. He'd call animal control and probably wait an hour for him to arrive.

I guess you haven't seen the news then, because there are plenty of stories about cops shooting dogs like that, where there was pretty obviously no real threat. Of course the cop just says he felt threatened by the dog. That doesn't mean it's true. The belief that it's not true is the usual reason why they become such big stories in the news.

If a dog is contained (chained up or fenced) there would be no reason to claim delf defense or threatened and that should no tbe an option for the cop.
I don't recall any cases like that, but if there are, then they shouldn't be cops.

Yes, that is my entire point, lol. (and yes, there are many cases like this... There was one just last week in fact, where a cop shot a fucking chihuahua that was barking at him. Luckily that one got caught on video). These kinds of incidents are definitely more common that you know (though usually when the cop is on the property for unrelated reasons - they don't tend to just shoot dogs over a fence they happen to be walking past, lol) ... I see many of these stories because I am in many animal interest groups. They aren't stories that hit CNN or anything; just local news stations and papers. They always really highlight just how fucking unqualified some cops are for the job).

brianlux · January 2019

Maybe if the guy had watched Starman he wouldn't be such an asshole:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkIUwZOArts

Smellyman · January 2019

fuck this guy, animal cruelty should have stiff penalties.

But to be fair, he may have had to do paperwork.

Meltdown99 · January 2019

I watched the video, this sick fucker was enjoying running over the deer. He should be fired immediately. The chief of that police department should be fired as well for not immediately firing that son of a bitch. The video says it all. That fucking cops name should be released to the press.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2019

Meltdown99 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=102&v=V7-hg_af4Vs

Here is the video of this fucking asshole...

Oh my gawd was that depressing. I only watched the first minute and then shut off. F**k me.

At the risk of being wrong, I don’t think the officer was relishing the task he was given. I think he must either be exceptionally stupid or without the aptitude to do the job.

The fawn was hurt- likely beyond help. A mercy killing was in order. The cop either thought running it over would be the best course of action (stupid) or he didn’t have the fortitude to shoot it (no aptitude for the job).

I feel horrible for that little animal.

dignin · January 2019

Meltdown99 said:

I watched the video, this sick fucker was enjoying running over the deer. He should be fired immediately. The chief of that police department should be fired as well for not immediately firing that son of a bitch. The video says it all. That fucking cops name should be released to the press.

How the hell would you know he was enjoying it?

dignin · January 2019

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think he should absolutely be fired because he displayed poor decision-making, laziness, a profound lack of empathy, and a capacity for cruelty. Definitely not qualities you want in any police officer, obviously. If he can do this to a fawn, then he's for sure not going to treat human beings the way police officers are expected to in a civilized society.

1st: I appreciate due process. is it highly likely he acted the way it's been reported? yes. 100%? no. still on active duty? no, he should be suspended or put on desk duty during investigation.

2nd: the way people treat animals is not 100% the way they treat humans. and I say this as a person who tears up watching The Dodo animal videos on twitter. might be prudent to look at his overall record with humans, if they've received any complaints or red flag comments, etc, before jumping the gun.

Oh, of course, I meant fired if it happened the way Meltdown said it happened.
But I do not trust people who mistreat animals to make the right decisions with humans. I've definitely got a zero tolerance policy when it comes to that, lol. But my first and main point was that his decision making skills are seriously lacking, and THAT makes me not trust him with humans more than anything else.

I just mean that a lot of people, even people I know who are good people, and aren't serial killers, don't have the same attitudes towards animals that you and I do. Mainly: hunters. I don't know many, but the ones I do know, they are good humans to other humans, but don't have that same standard when it comes to animals.

Yeah, but do you know any hunters that would, say, slowly stab an animal to death rather than efficiently shoot them to keep the suffering to a minimum??

I think it was a dumb decision. But in all reality, it may have really been the most humane for the animal. Police can't just fire their weapons like that. There is going to be a lot of paperwork every time they discharge their weapon, and killing an injured deer within city limits may not be approved. I don't know the laws up there, but I know many police would face discipline actions for shooting an injured deer and calling animal control could take who knows how long.
Like I said, I don't think what he did was right. And I don't know the guy he could be a total a-hole, I'm just responding to your comment of just shooting it to put it out and why that may not have been an option.

Police can fire their weapons to put the injured animal down. Its fuckin Alberta, you mean this dick head didn't know at least 1 hunter who would put down this animal humanely. I worked with a fellow who often put injured deer down for a cop friend who just couldn't shoot an animal.

Yeah, I'm under the impression that cops can do that too. Hell, they're allowed to shoot dogs who are barking at them in people's yards apparently, so they can certainly shoot a deer or bear that's been run over.

I don't know how it works up there. But down here I can't see a cop shooting an injured animal off the side of the road as an option. He'd call animal control and probably wait an hour for him to arrive.

It works the same way here.

Meltdown99 · January 2019

dignin said:

Meltdown99 said:

I watched the video, this sick fucker was enjoying running over the deer. He should be fired immediately. The chief of that police department should be fired as well for not immediately firing that son of a bitch. The video says it all. That fucking cops name should be released to the press.

How the hell would you know he was enjoying it?

Because of common sense. If your goal is to put down an injured animal, and your first attempt causes the animal to cry this should be the dumb ass's first clue that running the fawn over was a bad an idea and maybe I should consult with animal control or a vet to make sure the animal couldn't be saved, and only a person who enjoys harming animals would continue doing what he did. As for you, you seemed to get riled up when Canadians criticize anything, Alberta. Let's lay that fucker on the highway and run him over a few times. I'd volunteer to drive the car, no problem.

Meltdown99 · January 2019

Video of police driving over 'shrieking' deer triggers calls for criminal charges, death threats

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/lethbridge-deer-video-1.4972346?fbclid=IwAR2odq7BzFHyWJtQYaGZvh0ugeDrI5j-M9ph64lGOUBD_BtOD5jyejj907I

Good.

Smellyman · January 2019

Meltdown99 said:

Video of police driving over 'shrieking' deer triggers calls for criminal charges, death threats

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/lethbridge-deer-video-1.4972346?fbclid=IwAR2odq7BzFHyWJtQYaGZvh0ugeDrI5j-M9ph64lGOUBD_BtOD5jyejj907I

Good.

"If you see injured animal, call authorities"

Yeah they seem to know what to do.

Meltdown99 · January 2019

Smellyman said:

Meltdown99 said:

Video of police driving over 'shrieking' deer triggers calls for criminal charges, death threats

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/lethbridge-deer-video-1.4972346?fbclid=IwAR2odq7BzFHyWJtQYaGZvh0ugeDrI5j-M9ph64lGOUBD_BtOD5jyejj907I

Good.

"If you see injured animal, call authorities"

Yeah they seem to know what to do.

Agreed. He should have had no problem finding someone to put down the fawn humanely.

OnWis97 · January 2019

My take-away: how can a four-letter abbreviation for Alberta not include a “B?” Alta?

dignin · January 2019

Meltdown99 said:

dignin said:

Meltdown99 said:

I watched the video, this sick fucker was enjoying running over the deer. He should be fired immediately. The chief of that police department should be fired as well for not immediately firing that son of a bitch. The video says it all. That fucking cops name should be released to the press.

How the hell would you know he was enjoying it?

Because of common sense. If your goal is to put down an injured animal, and your first attempt causes the animal to cry this should be the dumb ass's first clue that running the fawn over was a bad an idea and maybe I should consult with animal control or a vet to make sure the animal couldn't be saved, and only a person who enjoys harming animals would continue doing what he did. As for you, you seemed to get riled up when Canadians criticize anything, Alberta. Let's lay that fucker on the highway and run him over a few times. I'd volunteer to drive the car, no problem.

Common sense tells me that people who want to murder someone are unwell, and should seek help.

Lethbridge police officer facing death threats after running over injured deer

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/lethbridge-police-officer-facing-death-threats-asirt-says

PJ_Soul · January 2019

OnWis97 said:

My take-away: how can a four-letter abbreviation for Alberta not include a “B?” Alta?

That isn't the correct abbreviation for Alberta. It is actually AB. I have never in my life seen someone use "Alta". I think the person who wrote that was either stupid or lazy or had a brain fart, lol.

dignin · January 2019

PJ_Soul said:

OnWis97 said:

My take-away: how can a four-letter abbreviation for Alberta not include a “B?” Alta?

That isn't the correct abbreviation for Alberta. It is actually AB. I have never in my life seen someone use "Alta". I think the person who wrote that was either stupid or lazy or had a brain fart, lol.

Alta is a common abbreviation used here in AB.

PJ_Soul · January 2019

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

OnWis97 said:

My take-away: how can a four-letter abbreviation for Alberta not include a “B?” Alta?

That isn't the correct abbreviation for Alberta. It is actually AB. I have never in my life seen someone use "Alta". I think the person who wrote that was either stupid or lazy or had a brain fart, lol.

Alta is a common abbreviation used here in AB.

Is it? Oh. I've never seen it in BC. OnWis97 is right - it's a bad abbreviation, lol.

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