What is behind the spread of a mysterious allergy to meat?

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Yikes!  I hear it is pretty miserable?  Glad you recovered!
    Yeah my joints ached bad and I had zero energy.  I wasn't depressed but I had no motivation to do anything (if that makes any sense).  Luckily I caught it right away.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Yikes!  I hear it is pretty miserable?  Glad you recovered!
    Yeah my joints ached bad and I had zero energy.  I wasn't depressed but I had no motivation to do anything (if that makes any sense).  Luckily I caught it right away.
    So did you actually see the tick or just the bullseye rash or what?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Yikes!  I hear it is pretty miserable?  Glad you recovered!
    Yeah my joints ached bad and I had zero energy.  I wasn't depressed but I had no motivation to do anything (if that makes any sense).  Luckily I caught it right away.
    So did you actually see the tick or just the bullseye rash or what?
    Yup I pulled the deer tick out myself. Bullseye appeared 2-3 days later and then I was on antibiotics. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    I've never even seen a tick as far as I know......
    If you hike in the woods, you should do a tick check.  Also, research the proper way to remove a tick.  That is important.  I had 2 tick on me and 3 on my dog this past summer...already feeding on us...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Hope you are OK and Lyme disease free.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Yikes!  I hear it is pretty miserable?  Glad you recovered!
    Yeah my joints ached bad and I had zero energy.  I wasn't depressed but I had no motivation to do anything (if that makes any sense).  Luckily I caught it right away.
    So did you actually see the tick or just the bullseye rash or what?
    Yup I pulled the deer tick out myself. Bullseye appeared 2-3 days later and then I was on antibiotics. 
    Damn, those damn deer ticks are always a fear of mine when hunting in brushy area.  Again, glad you recovered dude!
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    PJ_Soul said:
    I've never even seen a tick as far as I know......
    If you hike in the woods, you should do a tick check.  Also, research the proper way to remove a tick.  That is important.  I had 2 tick on me and 3 on my dog this past summer...already feeding on us...
    Wouldn't you know if you were bitten by a tick, or had one burrowing into you???
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited December 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I've never even seen a tick as far as I know......
    If you hike in the woods, you should do a tick check.  Also, research the proper way to remove a tick.  That is important.  I had 2 tick on me and 3 on my dog this past summer...already feeding on us...
    Wouldn't you know if you were bitten by a tick, or had one burrowing into you???
    I’ve only ever had a slight itch when I’ve had one on me.  Went to scratch and then could feel what felt like a pimple or scab (one was behind my ear).  They are sneaky little bastards and are hard to actually kill.  And  yes, you must be careful in how you pull them off in order to avoid detaching the head (if you just pull them off their head can stay attached to your skin).
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I've never even seen a tick as far as I know......
    If you hike in the woods, you should do a tick check.  Also, research the proper way to remove a tick.  That is important.  I had 2 tick on me and 3 on my dog this past summer...already feeding on us...
    Wouldn't you know if you were bitten by a tick, or had one burrowing into you???
    Nope, they are so small you don't know they are there.  Luckily I was scratching my leg and stumbled upon it.  Two summers ago I was rubbing my wife's leg and ound a deer tick in her.  She tested negative for lymes.  My mother in law wasn't so lucky.  She had no clue she had a deer tick on her and had lyme's disease for close to 3 years.  The earlier you find it the better.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Yikes!  I hear it is pretty miserable?  Glad you recovered!
    Yeah my joints ached bad and I had zero energy.  I wasn't depressed but I had no motivation to do anything (if that makes any sense).  Luckily I caught it right away.
    So did you actually see the tick or just the bullseye rash or what?
    Yup I pulled the deer tick out myself. Bullseye appeared 2-3 days later and then I was on antibiotics. 
    Damn, those damn deer ticks are always a fear of mine when hunting in brushy area.  Again, glad you recovered dude!
    Thanks man.  Every time we would go hunting I would take close to 50 ticks off my brittany.  Ticks are such disgusting creatures.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I've never even seen a tick as far as I know......
    If you hike in the woods, you should do a tick check.  Also, research the proper way to remove a tick.  That is important.  I had 2 tick on me and 3 on my dog this past summer...already feeding on us...
    Wouldn't you know if you were bitten by a tick, or had one burrowing into you???
    Nope, they are so small you don't know they are there.  Luckily I was scratching my leg and stumbled upon it.  Two summers ago I was rubbing my wife's leg and ound a deer tick in her.  She tested negative for lymes.  My mother in law wasn't so lucky.  She had no clue she had a deer tick on her and had lyme's disease for close to 3 years.  The earlier you find it the better.  
    Wow. Well I guess I've been lucky. Not anymore, but I used to be a pretty avid camper, all over the place. Never had any tick issues.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I've never even seen a tick as far as I know......
    If you hike in the woods, you should do a tick check.  Also, research the proper way to remove a tick.  That is important.  I had 2 tick on me and 3 on my dog this past summer...already feeding on us...
    Wouldn't you know if you were bitten by a tick, or had one burrowing into you???
    Nope, they are so small you don't know they are there.  Luckily I was scratching my leg and stumbled upon it.  Two summers ago I was rubbing my wife's leg and ound a deer tick in her.  She tested negative for lymes.  My mother in law wasn't so lucky.  She had no clue she had a deer tick on her and had lyme's disease for close to 3 years.  The earlier you find it the better.  
    Wow. Well I guess I've been lucky. Not anymore, but I used to be a pretty avid camper, all over the place. Never had any tick issues.
    Every summer they seem to get worse and worse.  I now put down tick/bug killer on my lawn twice a year.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I've never even seen a tick as far as I know......
    If you hike in the woods, you should do a tick check.  Also, research the proper way to remove a tick.  That is important.  I had 2 tick on me and 3 on my dog this past summer...already feeding on us...
    Wouldn't you know if you were bitten by a tick, or had one burrowing into you???
    No, you do not feel them burrowing in you.  It is always best to remove them before they start to burrow. I am very cautious about ticks.  In Ontario, we still use an outdated test for Lyme disease that sometimes comes back that you do not have Lyme disease, so some people who are convinced they have Lyme disease pay to get the better test in the US and it usually comes back as Lyme disease.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I've never even seen a tick as far as I know......
    If you hike in the woods, you should do a tick check.  Also, research the proper way to remove a tick.  That is important.  I had 2 tick on me and 3 on my dog this past summer...already feeding on us...
    Wouldn't you know if you were bitten by a tick, or had one burrowing into you???
    No, you do not feel them burrowing in you.  It is always best to remove them before they start to burrow. I am very cautious about ticks.  In Ontario, we still use an outdated test for Lyme disease that sometimes comes back that you do not have Lyme disease, so some people who are convinced they have Lyme disease pay to get the better test in the US and it usually comes back as Lyme disease.
    Nobody ever really seems to talk about them here. The only reason I know anything about them is because of national news stories about it ... Maybe they aren't such a problem in my region? I'm pretty sure I don't know anyone at all who has been bitten by a tick.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Yikes!  I hear it is pretty miserable?  Glad you recovered!
    Yeah my joints ached bad and I had zero energy.  I wasn't depressed but I had no motivation to do anything (if that makes any sense).  Luckily I caught it right away.
    So did you actually see the tick or just the bullseye rash or what?
    Yup I pulled the deer tick out myself. Bullseye appeared 2-3 days later and then I was on antibiotics. 
    Damn, those damn deer ticks are always a fear of mine when hunting in brushy area.  Again, glad you recovered dude!
    Thanks man.  Every time we would go hunting I would take close to 50 ticks off my brittany.  Ticks are such disgusting creatures.  
    Some people have unusual names for their private parts.... 
     
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Yikes!  I hear it is pretty miserable?  Glad you recovered!
    Yeah my joints ached bad and I had zero energy.  I wasn't depressed but I had no motivation to do anything (if that makes any sense).  Luckily I caught it right away.
    So did you actually see the tick or just the bullseye rash or what?
    Yup I pulled the deer tick out myself. Bullseye appeared 2-3 days later and then I was on antibiotics. 
    Damn, those damn deer ticks are always a fear of mine when hunting in brushy area.  Again, glad you recovered dude!
    Thanks man.  Every time we would go hunting I would take close to 50 ticks off my brittany.  Ticks are such disgusting creatures.  
    Some people have unusual names for their private parts.... 
     
    Lol. Good one!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I had Lyme s disease last summer.  It sucked bad.  Took antibiotics for six weeks and thankfully it went away. 
    Yikes!  I hear it is pretty miserable?  Glad you recovered!
    Yeah my joints ached bad and I had zero energy.  I wasn't depressed but I had no motivation to do anything (if that makes any sense).  Luckily I caught it right away.
    So did you actually see the tick or just the bullseye rash or what?
    Yup I pulled the deer tick out myself. Bullseye appeared 2-3 days later and then I was on antibiotics. 
    Damn, those damn deer ticks are always a fear of mine when hunting in brushy area.  Again, glad you recovered dude!
    Thanks man.  Every time we would go hunting I would take close to 50 ticks off my brittany.  Ticks are such disgusting creatures.  
    Some people have unusual names for their private parts.... 
     
    LMAO
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    I'm not a strict vegetarian but I rarely eat meat other than poultry (and even that sparingly).  I might eat a little beef a few times a year because if I'm invited to eat at someone's house and that's what they are serving, I'll have a small portion and be grateful.  It's not than I'm afraid of catching some horrid disease (that can happen to vegetarians or vegans for that matter) but it's common knowledge that people who eat a lot of beef and pork, are more prone to illness.  This is especially true because of the way these animals are raised, the kind of feed and hormones and drugs they are given, and the way they are "processed".

    My guess is  this tick/beef/pork situation is yet more proof of how weak and vulnerable we humans have become.  This is Mother Nature doing her job, the job of shaking us off, ridding the greatest pest on the planet.  The more we alienate our selves from her laws of nature, the more vulnerable and weak we become.  The more we fool ourselves into thinking we can be exceptions to nature's laws, the closer we come to sealing our fate.  We are a very strange species that way.  Me, you, all of us.  I only know one person, a woman I met recently, who I think might actually live in near total harmony* with natural in a natural and balanced way.   She's quite amazing. 

    *by "in harmony" I mean more pragmatically, logistically, and practically, than the new age/metaphysical form of "in harmony".

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    I'm not a strict vegetarian but I rarely eat meat other than poultry (and even that sparingly).  I might eat a little beef a few times a year because if I'm invited to eat at someone's house and that's what they are serving, I'll have a small portion and be grateful.  It's not than I'm afraid of catching some horrid disease (that can happen to vegetarians or vegans for that matter) but it's common knowledge that people who eat a lot of beef and pork, are more prone to illness.  This is especially true because of the way these animals are raised, the kind of feed and hormones and drugs they are given, and the way they are "processed".

    My guess is  this tick/beef/pork situation is yet more proof of how weak and vulnerable we humans have become.  This is Mother Nature doing her job, the job of shaking us off, ridding the greatest pest on the planet.  The more we alienate our selves from her laws of nature, the more vulnerable and weak we become.  The more we fool ourselves into thinking we can be exceptions to nature's laws, the closer we come to sealing our fate.  We are a very strange species that way.  Me, you, all of us.  I only know one person, a woman I met recently, who I think might actually live in near total harmony* with natural in a natural and balanced way.   She's quite amazing. 

    *by "in harmony" I mean more pragmatically, logistically, and practically, than the new age/metaphysical form of "in harmony".

    Ironically, my family has always raised and eaten meat and many of my relatives have lived to be over 100.  Most seem to pass away in their 90s, but none that I can recall have died due to complications related to a beef eating diet (that I am aware of). We are all built a little differently.  I also had a great aunt that died at 102 and puffed a tobacco pipe every day all day, lol.  
    I do agree with your mention of how the cattle are raised and processed, though.  We never give our cattle hormones and they are all grass fed and usually corn finished.  Anyways, I’m not arguing with you as I have also read the studies regarding eating red meats, but I do always take them with a grain of salt and wonder what other lifestyle choices lead to the demise of those that suffer illnesses related to eating red meat (overindulgence, or lack of other foods in their diet for instance).
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm not a strict vegetarian but I rarely eat meat other than poultry (and even that sparingly).  I might eat a little beef a few times a year because if I'm invited to eat at someone's house and that's what they are serving, I'll have a small portion and be grateful.  It's not than I'm afraid of catching some horrid disease (that can happen to vegetarians or vegans for that matter) but it's common knowledge that people who eat a lot of beef and pork, are more prone to illness.  This is especially true because of the way these animals are raised, the kind of feed and hormones and drugs they are given, and the way they are "processed".

    My guess is  this tick/beef/pork situation is yet more proof of how weak and vulnerable we humans have become.  This is Mother Nature doing her job, the job of shaking us off, ridding the greatest pest on the planet.  The more we alienate our selves from her laws of nature, the more vulnerable and weak we become.  The more we fool ourselves into thinking we can be exceptions to nature's laws, the closer we come to sealing our fate.  We are a very strange species that way.  Me, you, all of us.  I only know one person, a woman I met recently, who I think might actually live in near total harmony* with natural in a natural and balanced way.   She's quite amazing. 

    *by "in harmony" I mean more pragmatically, logistically, and practically, than the new age/metaphysical form of "in harmony".

    Ironically, my family has always raised and eaten meat and many of my relatives have lived to be over 100.  Most seem to pass away in their 90s, but none that I can recall have died due to complications related to a beef eating diet (that I am aware of). We are all built a little differently.  I also had a great aunt that died at 102 and puffed a tobacco pipe every day all day, lol.  
    I do agree with your mention of how the cattle are raised and processed, though.  We never give our cattle hormones and they are all grass fed and usually corn finished.  Anyways, I’m not arguing with you as I have also read the studies regarding eating red meats, but I do always take them with a grain of salt and wonder what other lifestyle choices lead to the demise of those that suffer illnesses related to eating red meat (overindulgence, or lack of other foods in their diet for instance).
    Good genes make a difference!  You're absolutely right- we're all different.  A friend of mine knew jazz pianist Eubie Blake who lived to be 96.  She said he chain smoked non filtered cigarettes!

    Good for you and your family for doing grass fed beef and no hormones.  Much healthier that way. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni