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tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Anybody feel bad for CFU?

They only played 1 top 25 team this year?  I say get a tougher schedule and we can have a better open conversation on why you aren't in the CFP.

I only feel bad in the sense that so many games are scheduled so far ahead of time. So when they have a good team and want to prove it, they can't. Now schools know they are at least pretty good so they will no longer schedule them as a pushover game. Very similar to what was happening to Boise State a few years back. Good teams were afraid to schedule them.

But, these scenarios further my desire to see an expanded playoff.

Yeah, the whole "play somebody" argument is tiring.  Exactly right about Boise State.  They wanted to play teams, they offered several Power 5 schools the opportunities for home & home series but they all declined. Hell they even campaigned to join the Pac 10 at the time and were denied. Probably because they would've been immediate Pac 10 champs. Virginia Tech I believe was one of the first teams to accept them, and they only played one year in Blacksburg.  Let's face the reality of it, Power 5 schools are scared shitless to play good mid-major teams.  They hide behind the "play somebody" argument but "somebody" rarely if ever wants to step up.  And we've seen the results in bowl games.  Utah, Boise State, and TCU all consistently won major bowl games against Power 5 schools.  UCF did it last year.  These schools have proven time and time again that they belong in the discussion but the all mighty dollar keeps them out.  The NCAA is a joke.  They should be embracing these schools, instead they try to squash any success they have and then tell us all that they "need to play somebody."  We all loved it when Butler damn near beat Duke in the tournament 8 years ago.  Brad Stevens and Gordon Heyward had the entire country rooting for them.  But they were just a fluke, right? Nope, right back in the Championship game a year later.  Give the small schools a shot.  If they fall short, they fall short.  But let it be determined on the field, not by some biased selection committee in a boardroom who couldn't care less about anything other than money.

So I think you guys are all nuts.

All 4 top ranked teams have either played at least 3 ranked teams and at least 1 more team that at one time was ranked.

These teams are playing other "good" teams.

Or am I nuts and you all think that UCF is better than most of these teams?  They are playing LSU in bowl game and I expect them to win that one too BTW but only because LSU has 3 losses.

HesCalledDyer said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Anybody feel bad for CFU?

They only played 1 top 25 team this year?  I say get a tougher schedule and we can have a better open conversation on why you aren't in the CFP.

I only feel bad in the sense that so many games are scheduled so far ahead of time. So when they have a good team and want to prove it, they can't. Now schools know they are at least pretty good so they will no longer schedule them as a pushover game. Very similar to what was happening to Boise State a few years back. Good teams were afraid to schedule them.

But, these scenarios further my desire to see an expanded playoff.

Yeah, the whole "play somebody" argument is tiring.  Exactly right about Boise State.  They wanted to play teams, they offered several Power 5 schools the opportunities for home & home series but they all declined. Hell they even campaigned to join the Pac 10 at the time and were denied. Probably because they would've been immediate Pac 10 champs. Virginia Tech I believe was one of the first teams to accept them, and they only played one year in Blacksburg.  Let's face the reality of it, Power 5 schools are scared shitless to play good mid-major teams.  They hide behind the "play somebody" argument but "somebody" rarely if ever wants to step up.  And we've seen the results in bowl games.  Utah, Boise State, and TCU all consistently won major bowl games against Power 5 schools.  UCF did it last year.  These schools have proven time and time again that they belong in the discussion but the all mighty dollar keeps them out.  The NCAA is a joke.  They should be embracing these schools, instead they try to squash any success they have and then tell us all that they "need to play somebody."  We all loved it when Butler damn near beat Duke in the tournament 8 years ago.  Brad Stevens and Gordon Heyward had the entire country rooting for them.  But they were just a fluke, right? Nope, right back in the Championship game a year later.  Give the small schools a shot.  If they fall short, they fall short.  But let it be determined on the field, not by some biased selection committee in a boardroom who couldn't care less about anything other than money.

So I think you guys are all nuts.

All 4 top ranked teams have either played at least 3 ranked teams and at least 1 more team that at one time was ranked.

These teams are playing other "good" teams.

Or am I nuts and you all think that UCF is better than most of these teams?  They are playing LSU in bowl game and I expect them to win that one too BTW but only because LSU has 3 losses.

How will we ever know if UCF is better than most of these teams when the committee won't give them a shot to prove it?

lolobugg said:

HesCalledDyer said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Anybody feel bad for CFU?

They only played 1 top 25 team this year?  I say get a tougher schedule and we can have a better open conversation on why you aren't in the CFP.

I only feel bad in the sense that so many games are scheduled so far ahead of time. So when they have a good team and want to prove it, they can't. Now schools know they are at least pretty good so they will no longer schedule them as a pushover game. Very similar to what was happening to Boise State a few years back. Good teams were afraid to schedule them.

But, these scenarios further my desire to see an expanded playoff.

Yeah, the whole "play somebody" argument is tiring.  Exactly right about Boise State.  They wanted to play teams, they offered several Power 5 schools the opportunities for home & home series but they all declined. Hell they even campaigned to join the Pac 10 at the time and were denied. Probably because they would've been immediate Pac 10 champs. Virginia Tech I believe was one of the first teams to accept them, and they only played one year in Blacksburg.  Let's face the reality of it, Power 5 schools are scared shitless to play good mid-major teams.  They hide behind the "play somebody" argument but "somebody" rarely if ever wants to step up.  And we've seen the results in bowl games.  Utah, Boise State, and TCU all consistently won major bowl games against Power 5 schools.  UCF did it last year.  These schools have proven time and time again that they belong in the discussion but the all mighty dollar keeps them out.  The NCAA is a joke.  They should be embracing these schools, instead they try to squash any success they have and then tell us all that they "need to play somebody."  We all loved it when Butler damn near beat Duke in the tournament 8 years ago.  Brad Stevens and Gordon Heyward had the entire country rooting for them.  But they were just a fluke, right? Nope, right back in the Championship game a year later.  Give the small schools a shot.  If they fall short, they fall short.  But let it be determined on the field, not by some biased selection committee in a boardroom who couldn't care less about anything other than money.

So I think you guys are all nuts.

All 4 top ranked teams have either played at least 3 ranked teams and at least 1 more team that at one time was ranked.

These teams are playing other "good" teams.

Or am I nuts and you all think that UCF is better than most of these teams?  They are playing LSU in bowl game and I expect them to win that one too BTW but only because LSU has 3 losses.

How will we ever know if UCF is better than most of these teams when the committee won't give them a shot to prove it?

once they get handled by LSU... then you know that don't belong in the top 4.  leave to Auburn to fuck shit up. they could've ended this last year.

HesCalledDyer said:

Switching to Heisman talk, who is everyone's vote?  I've been a Tua fan all year long.  But Haskins had a monster year.  The Big 12 doesn't even play defense so that rules out Murray for me.  I really don't think the SEC Championship game should hurt Tua's credibility.  If that game happened in October it's not an issue, so why is it an issue now?

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Anybody feel bad for CFU?

They only played 1 top 25 team this year?  I say get a tougher schedule and we can have a better open conversation on why you aren't in the CFP.

I only feel bad in the sense that so many games are scheduled so far ahead of time. So when they have a good team and want to prove it, they can't. Now schools know they are at least pretty good so they will no longer schedule them as a pushover game. Very similar to what was happening to Boise State a few years back. Good teams were afraid to schedule them.

But, these scenarios further my desire to see an expanded playoff.

Yeah, the whole "play somebody" argument is tiring.  Exactly right about Boise State.  They wanted to play teams, they offered several Power 5 schools the opportunities for home & home series but they all declined. Hell they even campaigned to join the Pac 10 at the time and were denied. Probably because they would've been immediate Pac 10 champs. Virginia Tech I believe was one of the first teams to accept them, and they only played one year in Blacksburg.  Let's face the reality of it, Power 5 schools are scared shitless to play good mid-major teams.  They hide behind the "play somebody" argument but "somebody" rarely if ever wants to step up.  And we've seen the results in bowl games.  Utah, Boise State, and TCU all consistently won major bowl games against Power 5 schools.  UCF did it last year.  These schools have proven time and time again that they belong in the discussion but the all mighty dollar keeps them out.  The NCAA is a joke.  They should be embracing these schools, instead they try to squash any success they have and then tell us all that they "need to play somebody."  We all loved it when Butler damn near beat Duke in the tournament 8 years ago.  Brad Stevens and Gordon Heyward had the entire country rooting for them.  But they were just a fluke, right? Nope, right back in the Championship game a year later.  Give the small schools a shot.  If they fall short, they fall short.  But let it be determined on the field, not by some biased selection committee in a boardroom who couldn't care less about anything other than money.

So I think you guys are all nuts.

All 4 top ranked teams have either played at least 3 ranked teams and at least 1 more team that at one time was ranked.

These teams are playing other "good" teams.

Or am I nuts and you all think that UCF is better than most of these teams?  They are playing LSU in bowl game and I expect them to win that one too BTW but only because LSU has 3 losses.

1. You are nuts...but it has nothing to do with college football.

2. I personally believe UCF is not as good as the other schools who are ahead of them. I think they want to play good teams but I don't think the good teams will schedule them.

3. Be cautious when judging the outcome of some bowl games. Maybe UCF beats LSU by 10 but maybe only 1 player from UCF is going pro and maybe 4 players from LSU sit out a meaningless bowl game to protect their draft stock. Not saying this is, or is not the case but it's worth keeping in mind. Meaningless bowl games seem to not reflect the outcome of a mid October game between undefeated or 1 loss teams.

4. The only way to know anything for sure is to settle it on the field. 

Not winning a bowl game does have an effect on incoming recruits.  It might not be the Championship but it does matter.

The Fiesta bowl is a decent bowl.

I agree and I believe that UCF will go all out to try to win. My question is how many people (starters) on LSU will sit the game out. If 6 starters from LSU sit out to protect their draft stock, and UCF has 0 starters sitting it out, then it could be a less than accurate depiction of the 2 teams. 

It would be similar to, say, Oklahoma getting Murray injured in practice before the bowl game. If that happened and Bama beat Oklahoma by 17, we would all likely feel the game could/would have gone differently or been closer if Murray were in the game.

tempo_n_groove said:

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

darwinstheory said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Anybody feel bad for CFU?

They only played 1 top 25 team this year?  I say get a tougher schedule and we can have a better open conversation on why you aren't in the CFP.

I only feel bad in the sense that so many games are scheduled so far ahead of time. So when they have a good team and want to prove it, they can't. Now schools know they are at least pretty good so they will no longer schedule them as a pushover game. Very similar to what was happening to Boise State a few years back. Good teams were afraid to schedule them.

But, these scenarios further my desire to see an expanded playoff.

Yeah, the whole "play somebody" argument is tiring.  Exactly right about Boise State.  They wanted to play teams, they offered several Power 5 schools the opportunities for home & home series but they all declined. Hell they even campaigned to join the Pac 10 at the time and were denied. Probably because they would've been immediate Pac 10 champs. Virginia Tech I believe was one of the first teams to accept them, and they only played one year in Blacksburg.  Let's face the reality of it, Power 5 schools are scared shitless to play good mid-major teams.  They hide behind the "play somebody" argument but "somebody" rarely if ever wants to step up.  And we've seen the results in bowl games.  Utah, Boise State, and TCU all consistently won major bowl games against Power 5 schools.  UCF did it last year.  These schools have proven time and time again that they belong in the discussion but the all mighty dollar keeps them out.  The NCAA is a joke.  They should be embracing these schools, instead they try to squash any success they have and then tell us all that they "need to play somebody."  We all loved it when Butler damn near beat Duke in the tournament 8 years ago.  Brad Stevens and Gordon Heyward had the entire country rooting for them.  But they were just a fluke, right? Nope, right back in the Championship game a year later.  Give the small schools a shot.  If they fall short, they fall short.  But let it be determined on the field, not by some biased selection committee in a boardroom who couldn't care less about anything other than money.

So I think you guys are all nuts.

All 4 top ranked teams have either played at least 3 ranked teams and at least 1 more team that at one time was ranked.

These teams are playing other "good" teams.

Or am I nuts and you all think that UCF is better than most of these teams?  They are playing LSU in bowl game and I expect them to win that one too BTW but only because LSU has 3 losses.

1. You are nuts...but it has nothing to do with college football.

2. I personally believe UCF is not as good as the other schools who are ahead of them. I think they want to play good teams but I don't think the good teams will schedule them.

3. Be cautious when judging the outcome of some bowl games. Maybe UCF beats LSU by 10 but maybe only 1 player from UCF is going pro and maybe 4 players from LSU sit out a meaningless bowl game to protect their draft stock. Not saying this is, or is not the case but it's worth keeping in mind. Meaningless bowl games seem to not reflect the outcome of a mid October game between undefeated or 1 loss teams.

4. The only way to know anything for sure is to settle it on the field. 

Not winning a bowl game does have an effect on incoming recruits.  It might not be the Championship but it does matter.

The Fiesta bowl is a decent bowl.

I agree and I believe that UCF will go all out to try to win. My question is how many people (starters) on LSU will sit the game out. If 6 starters from LSU sit out to protect their draft stock, and UCF has 0 starters sitting it out, then it could be a less than accurate depiction of the 2 teams. 

It would be similar to, say, Oklahoma getting Murray injured in practice before the bowl game. If that happened and Bama beat Oklahoma by 17, we would all likely feel the game could/would have gone differently or been closer if Murray were in the game.

Murray is going to play baseball so he will be ok barring death...

KC138045 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

THE CYST ONLY BOTHERS HIM WHEN THINGS ARE GOING BAD

Yeah because things are going bad. Another 12-1 B1G Conference Championship season, top 5 recruiting classes through 2020, and just beat Michigan for the 7th straight year. 

Cliffy6745 said:

Wobbie said:

KC138045 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

THE CYST ONLY BOTHERS HIM WHEN THINGS ARE GOING BAD

Yeah because things are going bad. Another 12-1 B1G Conference Championship season, top 5 recruiting classes through 2020, and just beat Michigan for the 7th straight year. 

I had that same thought.

WAY TO GO, CLIFFY!

Alright, so when his team gets down to Maryland....his cyst juuuuuuuuuust so happens to act up.