Worst Pearl Jam song ever....

vaggar99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rummy said:

vaggar99 said:

SBM on LB is a nice that has some nice texture to it.  it might have been better saved as a b-side though.

What's a b-side? 

I have a friends who has thought for her entire life that B-sides are the "worst" songs on an album, and that's why they are on side B of the album instead of side A. So all her life she's gone into every single album thinking side B is essentially a throw away as far as the artist is concerned. :rofl: She had no clue that the term is related to single releases, lol.

my dad hates reissues with bonus tracks. he thinks "if it wasn't released back then, it's for a reason". it's hard for me to get that he, as a big music fan, doesn't understand that a good song on its own just may not fit the flow of the record and is therefor left off. 

i think it might have to do with the cash grab aspect.  as in "they taking songs that didn't make the cut, and now making double off of them".  i kind of get it.  that's why I loved Lost Dogs.  no reissue bullshit.  just mostly bad songs that didn't make the cut. hahahhah

that might be part of it, but he won't even listen to the songs that are newly released. I mean, he could buy them individually (or even just listen to them) on iTunes, but he chooses not to. He really believes that if it wasn't released when recorded, it shouldn't be released at all. 

rummy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

vaggar99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rummy said:

vaggar99 said:

SBM on LB is a nice that has some nice texture to it.  it might have been better saved as a b-side though.

What's a b-side? 

I have a friends who has thought for her entire life that B-sides are the "worst" songs on an album, and that's why they are on side B of the album instead of side A. So all her life she's gone into every single album thinking side B is essentially a throw away as far as the artist is concerned. :rofl: She had no clue that the term is related to single releases, lol.

my dad hates reissues with bonus tracks. he thinks "if it wasn't released back then, it's for a reason". it's hard for me to get that he, as a big music fan, doesn't understand that a good song on its own just may not fit the flow of the record and is therefor left off. 

i think it might have to do with the cash grab aspect.  as in "they taking songs that didn't make the cut, and now making double off of them".  i kind of get it.  that's why I loved Lost Dogs.  no reissue bullshit.  just mostly bad songs that didn't make the cut. hahahhah

that might be part of it, but he won't even listen to the songs that are newly released. I mean, he could buy them individually (or even just listen to them) on iTunes, but he chooses not to. He really believes that if it wasn't released when recorded, it shouldn't be released at all. 

Was he okay with the release of, say, Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane or Hey Jude/Revolution as non-album singles? 

yes, because non-album singles were commonplace back then, and they were released soon after recording. it's the stuff that gets released decades later that he assumes won't be any good if it took that long to release. 

rummy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rummy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

vaggar99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rummy said:

vaggar99 said:

SBM on LB is a nice that has some nice texture to it.  it might have been better saved as a b-side though.

What's a b-side? 

I have a friends who has thought for her entire life that B-sides are the "worst" songs on an album, and that's why they are on side B of the album instead of side A. So all her life she's gone into every single album thinking side B is essentially a throw away as far as the artist is concerned. :rofl: She had no clue that the term is related to single releases, lol.

my dad hates reissues with bonus tracks. he thinks "if it wasn't released back then, it's for a reason". it's hard for me to get that he, as a big music fan, doesn't understand that a good song on its own just may not fit the flow of the record and is therefor left off. 

i think it might have to do with the cash grab aspect.  as in "they taking songs that didn't make the cut, and now making double off of them".  i kind of get it.  that's why I loved Lost Dogs.  no reissue bullshit.  just mostly bad songs that didn't make the cut. hahahhah

that might be part of it, but he won't even listen to the songs that are newly released. I mean, he could buy them individually (or even just listen to them) on iTunes, but he chooses not to. He really believes that if it wasn't released when recorded, it shouldn't be released at all. 

Was he okay with the release of, say, Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane or Hey Jude/Revolution as non-album singles? 

yes, because non-album singles were commonplace back then, and they were released soon after recording. it's the stuff that gets released decades later that he assumes won't be any good if it took that long to release. 

There's a small part of me that agrees with your dad! Although I am grateful for  Lost Dogs and those three additional tracks that were included on Radiohead's OK Computer reissue last year.

those 3 tracks are some of the my fave RH tracks ever. just gorgeous. 

Question for everyone that thinks sleeping by myself should have stayed an Ed song: do you think can’t keep should have stayed a pj song or do you like it as an Ed song?

walkunafraid said:

I'm almost surprised anyone has mentioned any song besides Sleeping By Myself. 

It's the only PJ song that makes me cringe.

There was a period of time that I avoided spinning LB because I didn't like having to either listen to SBM or jump the needle over it.

What's worse, the band continues to play it live fairly often, despite it being a momentum killer every single time.

Ed's solo version was fine, but I'll never understand the band's (or, umm, Ed's) opinion to re-record it for LB. That was the first time I ever questioned PJ's effort/interest level or the viability of their continued creativity. 

At least Foxymophandlemama had some sort of abstract artiness to it, served a purpose, and didn't take itself too seriously. SBM, on the other hand, is just plain lazy.

i wouldn't be at all surprised if the band was convinced to record it by BoB. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

walkunafraid said:

I'm almost surprised anyone has mentioned any song besides Sleeping By Myself. 

It's the only PJ song that makes me cringe.

There was a period of time that I avoided spinning LB because I didn't like having to either listen to SBM or jump the needle over it.

What's worse, the band continues to play it live fairly often, despite it being a momentum killer every single time.

Ed's solo version was fine, but I'll never understand the band's (or, umm, Ed's) opinion to re-record it for LB. That was the first time I ever questioned PJ's effort/interest level or the viability of their continued creativity. 

At least Foxymophandlemama had some sort of abstract artiness to it, served a purpose, and didn't take itself too seriously. SBM, on the other hand, is just plain lazy.

i wouldn't be at all surprised if the band was convinced to record it by BoB. 

Neither would I. They really need to move on from that guy badly.

It was BOB who talked the band into it. I was hoping it would be Without You when it came out that a Uke Songs cut was going to make it on Lightning Bolt. Natalie Maines did a fantastic full band version of Without You and was hoping the band would improve on that. 

As for Can’t Keep...I honestly don’t like either version. Not even live. It sounds better on the remaster, but I’ve never ever connected to this song. I don’t know why either? Lyrically, it’s fine. There’s some good stuff there. Musically it’s fine with the band- Matt has a great groove going and there’s some great spacey guitar work taking place. It just doesn’t feel like it goes anywhere. When a song says “you can’t keep me here” the song should elevate some...but there’s no movement. It’s flat. Solo version is a tad better but probably just because we heard that first and was my introduction to the song. 

PJNB said:

Parting Ways has been played 7 times in the last 13 years. That is less than 3% of the shows. SBM is played at 20% of the shows in the last 5 years. That is why I hate SBM  

Parting ways is amazing live and need to be played every other show. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Question for everyone that thinks sleeping by myself should have stayed an Ed song: do you think can’t keep should have stayed a pj song or do you like it as an Ed song?

I love it as both. 

Same, for both songs.

Parting ways really should close shows every once in a while