Chinese Scientist Claims to Use Crispr to Make First Genetically Edited Babies

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I wouldn't be against this if I could know such science wouldn't be monetized. But it obviously will, and we'll be looking at a real life Gattica situation for sure.
    In this case, what about the claims he may have left them more vulnerable to Cancer?
    Well any negative claims are bad obviously. I'm talking about not being against it in principle and concept, i.e. assuming it actually works properly. I think using science to eliminate birth defects and disease and stuff is a GREAT concept... but it's not going to work. Humans are too greedy and stupid to deal with it in way that would actually benefit all of humanity.

    Yes, I agree the concept is great.  And maybe someday it will be a common medical practice.  I was curious as to why they were targeting HIV in particular.  May have to read the article again to see if it states why,
    I think that, unless economic disparity and a disparity in access to medical care, it would be terrible if it became a common medical practice. That would simply keep the poor sickly and the rich healthy, both on a more local, and on a global scale. This is exactly why I'm against it. I mean, the people who would really benefit most from this anti-AIDS gene (assuming it doesn't cause other probs with the "patients") would be all the people in Africa who have a terrible time accessing medical care, while 25% of the population has HIV/AIDS. But they obviously aren't going to be the ones who will benefit from this.
    The rich, no matter where you live to get better medical care.  You think wealthy Canadians wait on a list for surgery on their knee in 112 months?  I'm will bet the vast majority of wealthy Canadians seek surgery in the US.  If I was wealthy I would seek treatment in the US.
    Obviously they do, and you should know by now that I advocate against that disparity on a regular basis. But in any case, do you not see the massive difference between that and being able to buy genetic superiority?
    And BTW, why in the fuck would you go through the trouble of seeking treatment in the US if you were rich, assuming it's not some crazy rare treatment that requires a specialist that doesn't happen to reside in Canada (and that person could be in Sweden or Japan or who knows where, not necessarily the USA). You can do the same thing in Canada. There are tons of private medical centers for the rich in your own country. Why take the money out of your own economy when there is no reason to? You do know that Canadians who don't want to wait for knee surgery and can afford to pay for it don't have to leave Canada to do that, right?
    LMFAO.  So rich people in BC can just skip the line.  Well, here in Ontario rich people are not allowed to skip the line.  There might be some private clinics, but certainly none where I live...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited November 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I wouldn't be against this if I could know such science wouldn't be monetized. But it obviously will, and we'll be looking at a real life Gattica situation for sure.
    In this case, what about the claims he may have left them more vulnerable to Cancer?
    Well any negative claims are bad obviously. I'm talking about not being against it in principle and concept, i.e. assuming it actually works properly. I think using science to eliminate birth defects and disease and stuff is a GREAT concept... but it's not going to work. Humans are too greedy and stupid to deal with it in way that would actually benefit all of humanity.

    Yes, I agree the concept is great.  And maybe someday it will be a common medical practice.  I was curious as to why they were targeting HIV in particular.  May have to read the article again to see if it states why,
    I think that, unless economic disparity and a disparity in access to medical care, it would be terrible if it became a common medical practice. That would simply keep the poor sickly and the rich healthy, both on a more local, and on a global scale. This is exactly why I'm against it. I mean, the people who would really benefit most from this anti-AIDS gene (assuming it doesn't cause other probs with the "patients") would be all the people in Africa who have a terrible time accessing medical care, while 25% of the population has HIV/AIDS. But they obviously aren't going to be the ones who will benefit from this.
    The rich, no matter where you live to get better medical care.  You think wealthy Canadians wait on a list for surgery on their knee in 112 months?  I'm will bet the vast majority of wealthy Canadians seek surgery in the US.  If I was wealthy I would seek treatment in the US.
    Obviously they do, and you should know by now that I advocate against that disparity on a regular basis. But in any case, do you not see the massive difference between that and being able to buy genetic superiority?
    And BTW, why in the fuck would you go through the trouble of seeking treatment in the US if you were rich, assuming it's not some crazy rare treatment that requires a specialist that doesn't happen to reside in Canada (and that person could be in Sweden or Japan or who knows where, not necessarily the USA). You can do the same thing in Canada. There are tons of private medical centers for the rich in your own country. Why take the money out of your own economy when there is no reason to? You do know that Canadians who don't want to wait for knee surgery and can afford to pay for it don't have to leave Canada to do that, right?
    LMFAO.  So rich people in BC can just skip the line.  Well, here in Ontario rich people are not allowed to skip the line.  There might be some private clinics, but certainly none where I live...
    You're incorrect. I don't know where you got that idea, but it's not true. You can do it in Toronto. Even if it were true, are you incapable of traveling to other Canadian provinces?
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    People with the mutation CCR5-delta-32 are already immune against HIV.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Annafalk said:
    People with the mutation CCR5-delta-32 are already immune against HIV.
    Yes, that’s the gene he says he was manipulating. 
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited November 2018
    oftenreading said:
    Annafalk said:
    People with the mutation CCR5-delta-32 are already immune against HIV.
    Yes, that’s the gene he says he was manipulating. 
    Was it? I wonder if it will go well, it feels scary somehow.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Annafalk said:
    People with the mutation CCR5-delta-32 are already immune against HIV.
    Sign me up for that, i hate condoms lol
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    If they could turn me into Spiderman I'd be down with it.
  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    my2hands said:
    Annafalk said:
    People with the mutation CCR5-delta-32 are already immune against HIV.
    Sign me up for that, i hate condoms lol
    Immunity against all sicknesses including cancer and all that s**t would be great :)
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    ‘Science is not ready’: China scientist’s gene editing slammed as unethical, dangerous
    https://globalnews.ca/news/4703130/gene-editing-babies-ethics-investigation/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalToronto&fbclid=IwAR182cXpo9WJ2w0Shef336_Tdo-e_6TbAbaMQe3K8Xd_bn7CjgLqsdurejk
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited November 2018
    my2hands said:
    Annafalk said:
    People with the mutation CCR5-delta-32 are already immune against HIV.
    Sign me up for that, i hate condoms lol
    I hear syphilis is making a real comeback on a global scale, and there is now an antibiotic-resistant strain of Gonorrhea going around. Keep the condoms.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Annafalk said:
    People with the mutation CCR5-delta-32 are already immune against HIV.
    Sign me up for that, i hate condoms lol
    I hear syphilis is making a real comeback on a global scale, and there is now an antibiotic-resistant strain of Gonorrhea going around. Keep the condoms.
    I'm sure he was joking, but it really is crazy how often you hear people with that as a real thought process. "if it ain't HIV, I don't care". 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Annafalk said:
    People with the mutation CCR5-delta-32 are already immune against HIV.
    Sign me up for that, i hate condoms lol
    I hear syphilis is making a real comeback on a global scale, and there is now an antibiotic-resistant strain of Gonorrhea going around. Keep the condoms.
    I'm sure he was joking, but it really is crazy how often you hear people with that as a real thought process. "if it ain't HIV, I don't care". 
    People absolutely think that. Now that they have this new injection drug that helps to prevent HIV infection, plenty of people are excited about abandoning the condom. My own friend, who is quite freshly out of the closet in his late 20s, and so is really, really making up for lost time and sowing his wild oats right now, said that he's excited about the prospect of no more condoms because he got that injection. I could hardly believe my ears, but apparently that is what all the people he's sleeping with are thinking too. :tired_face:
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
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    I think it's weird they call the damn thing a crisper.

    "Hey, Jiankui, let's put 'er in the crisper and see what comes out!"

    "Oh,  shit man, I burned another one!"

    I was very confused when I saw this in the other thread. LOL
    Haha.  At this point in my life, that how I am half the time.  Very confused.  :lol: 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    A post finds its proper home:

    I think it's weird they call the damn thing a crisper.

    "Hey, Jiankui, let's put 'er in the crisper and see what comes out!"

    "Oh,  shit man, I burned another one!"

    I was very confused when I saw this in the other thread. LOL
    Haha.  At this point in my life, that how I am half the time.  Very confused.  :lol: 
    Just remember.  Trump is President, that's not your confusion...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    A post finds its proper home:

    I think it's weird they call the damn thing a crisper.

    "Hey, Jiankui, let's put 'er in the crisper and see what comes out!"

    "Oh,  shit man, I burned another one!"

    I was very confused when I saw this in the other thread. LOL
    Haha.  At this point in my life, that how I am half the time.  Very confused.  :lol: 
    Just remember.  Trump is President, that's not your confusion...
    Yeah, and Brian, take comfort in the fact that, no matter how confused you may get, your President will always be far more confused than you are. :lol:
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    A post finds its proper home:

    I think it's weird they call the damn thing a crisper.

    "Hey, Jiankui, let's put 'er in the crisper and see what comes out!"

    "Oh,  shit man, I burned another one!"

    I was very confused when I saw this in the other thread. LOL
    Haha.  At this point in my life, that how I am half the time.  Very confused.  :lol: 
    Just remember.  Trump is President, that's not your confusion...
    Yeah, and Brian, take comfort in the fact that, no matter how confused you may get, your President will always be far more confused than you are. :lol:
    Never a truer statement...
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Chinese scientist who said he gene-edited babies is reportedly missing

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4726897/he-jiankui-chinese-scientist-gene-edited-babies-missing/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalNational&fbclid=IwAR0xXPp0s9DuOam72OTjogomnuaPRLTOhex18bEEN3kCeP3vv2TGo3-zZYY


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Meltdown99 said:
    Chinese scientist who said he gene-edited babies is reportedly missing

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4726897/he-jiankui-chinese-scientist-gene-edited-babies-missing/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalNational&fbclid=IwAR0xXPp0s9DuOam72OTjogomnuaPRLTOhex18bEEN3kCeP3vv2TGo3-zZYY


    Probably tucked away where he can serve the ruling party and help them genetically engineer the party's own children to be superior beings.
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