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Interesting that you didn’t go after the Administration directly responsible for the horrendous mess they created.my2hands said:
They were a bunch of psychopaths, and war criminals... Obama administration came in to power and decided to turn their head and refused to investigate let alone prosecute... they dropped the ball purposely...when the crew before you authorizes war crimes, its your responsibility to fucking do something about it, even if its not politically convenient... like i said, talk to ObamaHalifax2TheMax said:
And don’t you mean Bush/Cheney opurposelyr as I like to refer, Shrub/Darth?my2hands said:If you have a problem with real waterboarding, which is torture, and a war crime... then i suggest you talk to Obama and his administration09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Anybody here know what a "swirly" is? It's when a kids head is pushed into a toilet bowl and it gets flushed.Halifax2TheMax said:
You saw a kid get water boarded in 4th grade or worse? Wow.my2hands said:I'm not kidding... a bullying video is proof the world is ending?
Of course it's fucked up, no shit, i hate bullies and would punch that loser in the throat, but bullying isnt anything new... i saw much worse in fucking 4th grade
I also work with kids that literally rob weaker kids in school and shoot at each other over Instagram beefs, so i could be a little biased lol
This is in no way defending bullying, or the loser in the video, i fucking hate bullies... it is also in no way trying to minimize the torture that kid is experiencing at school at the cruel hands of these punks... but the fact is, that is worth squat to that kid right now0 -
Did you really see worse in 4th grade?my2hands said:
Obviously the kid isn't being waterboarded... and of course i care about both... never said any differentHalifax2TheMax said:
Are you saying this kid wasn’t “really” waterboarded? Or that you can’t care about both?my2hands said:If you have a problem with real waterboarding, which is torture, and a war crime... then i suggest you talk to Obama and his administration09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You know, one of those tangents threads occasionally take.cincybearcat said:What does water boarding or bullying have to do with immigration?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I said they were psycopathic war criminals, not sure i can be any more clear on my opinion of that crew... it wasnt my job to "go after them", it was the job of the guy i voted for... you are actually making my pointHalifax2TheMax said:
Interesting that you didn’t go after the Administration directly responsible for the horrendous mess they created.my2hands said:
They were a bunch of psychopaths, and war criminals... Obama administration came in to power and decided to turn their head and refused to investigate let alone prosecute... they dropped the ball purposely...when the crew before you authorizes war crimes, its your responsibility to fucking do something about it, even if its not politically convenient... like i said, talk to ObamaHalifax2TheMax said:
And don’t you mean Bush/Cheney opurposelyr as I like to refer, Shrub/Darth?my2hands said:If you have a problem with real waterboarding, which is torture, and a war crime... then i suggest you talk to Obama and his administration
You damn well remember that was an issue, and very soon after his inauguration he said they werent going to look backwards regarding the actions of the previous administration that they were moving forward for the good of the country or some bullshit like thatPost edited by my2hands on0 -
and yet there were no protests over that. hmmmm....my2hands said:
I said they were psycopathic war criminals, not sure i can be any more clear on my opinion of that crew... it wasnt my job to "go after them", it was the job of the guy i voted for... you are actually making my pointHalifax2TheMax said:
Interesting that you didn’t go after the Administration directly responsible for the horrendous mess they created.my2hands said:
They were a bunch of psychopaths, and war criminals... Obama administration came in to power and decided to turn their head and refused to investigate let alone prosecute... they dropped the ball purposely...when the crew before you authorizes war crimes, its your responsibility to fucking do something about it, even if its not politically convenient... like i said, talk to ObamaHalifax2TheMax said:
And don’t you mean Bush/Cheney opurposelyr as I like to refer, Shrub/Darth?my2hands said:If you have a problem with real waterboarding, which is torture, and a war crime... then i suggest you talk to Obama and his administration
You damn well remember that was an issue, and very soon after his inauguration he said they werent going to look backwards regarding the actions of the previous administration that they were moving forward for the good of the country or some bullshit like thatHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Okay you are officially losing it.my2hands said:I'm not kidding... a bullying video is proof the world is ending?
Of course it's fucked up, no shit, i hate bullies and would punch that loser in the throat, but bullying isnt anything new... i saw much worse in fucking 4th grade
In your endless quest to make light of everything, these recent posts have reached dizzying heights.
And you saw much worse in the 4th grade? Really? You saw a pack of individuals led by an alt-right shithead break a refugee's arm and then continue to torment him?
Come on, man.
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And who said the sky is falling or the world is ending?
People are saying it's changing. Are you denying this? Have neo-nazi marches down mainstreet America and demonstrations been happening every year? This insurgence is nothing new- it was just undocumented before?
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I didnt see any arms get broken, and I'm not excusing or making light of anything.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Okay you are officially losing it.my2hands said:I'm not kidding... a bullying video is proof the world is ending?
Of course it's fucked up, no shit, i hate bullies and would punch that loser in the throat, but bullying isnt anything new... i saw much worse in fucking 4th grade
In your endless quest to make light of everything, these recent posts have reached dizzying heights.
And you saw much worse in the 4th grade? Really? You saw a pack of individuals led by an alt-right shithead break a refugee's arm and then continue to torment him?
Come on, man.
The world can be fucked up, you guys aren't really that naive are you? Like this shit doesnt happen everyday in schools. Literally, every day.
Sorry, i feel bad for the kid, but losing sleep?
Again, not to downplay the expereience of that poor kis, but when i read your guys reaction i was expecting much worse like they stomped the kid out or really tortured him on video, like these fine lads streaming on facebook live...
https://youtu.be/1IavvBtR_to
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If you cared to read the story... they broke his arm earlier (did you note the cast?). And that was not enough for them- they continued to torment him.my2hands said:
I didnt see any arms get broken, and I'm not excusing or making light of anything.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Okay you are officially losing it.my2hands said:I'm not kidding... a bullying video is proof the world is ending?
Of course it's fucked up, no shit, i hate bullies and would punch that loser in the throat, but bullying isnt anything new... i saw much worse in fucking 4th grade
In your endless quest to make light of everything, these recent posts have reached dizzying heights.
And you saw much worse in the 4th grade? Really? You saw a pack of individuals led by an alt-right shithead break a refugee's arm and then continue to torment him?
Come on, man.
The world can be fucked up, you guys aren't really that naive are you? Like this shit doesnt happen everyday in schools. Literally, every day.
Sorry, i feel bad for the kid, but losing sleep?
Again, not to downplay the expereience of that poor kis, but when i read your guys reaction i was expecting much worse like they stomped the kid out or really tortured him on video, like these fine lads streaming on facebook live...https://youtu.be/1IavvBtR_to
Yah. Lose sleep. I feel shitty for kids when I see shit like that. Good for you to be able to so easily dismiss it or scoff at it.
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Well, the bully did put his hand around the kid's throat.Give Peas A Chance…0
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That video is not proof of any of the above, especially not a nazi insurgence for gods sake, it's classic bullyingThirty Bills Unpaid said:And who said the sky is falling or the world is ending?
People are saying it's changing. Are you denying this? Have neo-nazi marches down mainstreet America and demonstrations been happening every year? This insurgence is nothing new- it was just undocumented before?
This is what people mean by sky is falling... every little thing now people take and run with it to extremes... like the stupid proud boys video of one brawl, now everybody thinks they are swarming all over America like a plague of loser white boys assaulting liberals... same with the antifa nonsense
Do people even talk to anyone in the real world? Stop buying the garbage they are pushing on everybody, i think it's all bullshit, and its bad for ya folks (thanks George)0 -
But you told me to speak with Obama? As far as I recall, the Obama Administration didn’t waterboard detainees and in fact, shed more light on the secret rendition and torture program put into effect and practiced by Shrub/Darth. Seems you want to hold the black guy to a higher standard? And the repub congress could have held them to account as well but you know, the black guy failed you. As for the sky is falling? Sure seemed like it a couple of weeks ago with all that Dems better figure it out or Team Trump Treason will be re-elected and warnings to turn off the news and go outside schtick. Sheesh, come down off that high horse you usurped.my2hands said:
I said they were psycopathic war criminals, not sure i can be any more clear on my opinion of that crew... it wasnt my job to "go after them", it was the job of the guy i voted for... you are actually making my pointHalifax2TheMax said:
Interesting that you didn’t go after the Administration directly responsible for the horrendous mess they created.my2hands said:
They were a bunch of psychopaths, and war criminals... Obama administration came in to power and decided to turn their head and refused to investigate let alone prosecute... they dropped the ball purposely...when the crew before you authorizes war crimes, its your responsibility to fucking do something about it, even if its not politically convenient... like i said, talk to ObamaHalifax2TheMax said:
And don’t you mean Bush/Cheney opurposelyr as I like to refer, Shrub/Darth?my2hands said:If you have a problem with real waterboarding, which is torture, and a war crime... then i suggest you talk to Obama and his administration
You damn well remember that was an issue, and very soon after his inauguration he said they werent going to look backwards regarding the actions of the previous administration that they were moving forward for the good of the country or some bullshit like that09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Keep filming it so we can get you off the streets.my2hands said:
I didnt see any arms get broken, and I'm not excusing or making light of anything.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Okay you are officially losing it.my2hands said:I'm not kidding... a bullying video is proof the world is ending?
Of course it's fucked up, no shit, i hate bullies and would punch that loser in the throat, but bullying isnt anything new... i saw much worse in fucking 4th grade
In your endless quest to make light of everything, these recent posts have reached dizzying heights.
And you saw much worse in the 4th grade? Really? You saw a pack of individuals led by an alt-right shithead break a refugee's arm and then continue to torment him?
Come on, man.
The world can be fucked up, you guys aren't really that naive are you? Like this shit doesnt happen everyday in schools. Literally, every day.
Sorry, i feel bad for the kid, but losing sleep?
Again, not to downplay the expereience of that poor kis, but when i read your guys reaction i was expecting much worse like they stomped the kid out or really tortured him on video, like these fine lads streaming on facebook live...https://youtu.be/1IavvBtR_to0 -
having a discussion regarding the seemingly racially motivated abuse of a 4th grader, and the possibilty that it is related to the current POTUS and the way he speaks publically is not "taking it to extremes". it's discussing current events and how they come to be.my2hands said:
That video is not proof of any of the above, especially not a nazi insurgence for gods sake, it's classic bullyingThirty Bills Unpaid said:And who said the sky is falling or the world is ending?
People are saying it's changing. Are you denying this? Have neo-nazi marches down mainstreet America and demonstrations been happening every year? This insurgence is nothing new- it was just undocumented before?
This is what people mean by sky is falling... every little thing now people take and run with it to extremes... like the stupid proud boys video of one brawl, now everybody thinks they are swarming all over America like a plague of loser white boys assaulting liberals... same with the antifa nonsense
Do people even talk to anyone in the real world? Stop buying the garbage they are pushing on everybody, i think it's all bullshit, and its bad for ya folks (thanks George)
feel free to disagree, but many of us are getting tired at the overreaction to the discussion that is completely out of whack with what is actually being discussed and the obvious rational tone therein.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
It's interesting that everything is race with you.Halifax2TheMax said:
But you told me to speak with Obama? As far as I recall, the Obama Administration didn’t waterboard detainees and in fact, shed more light on the secret rendition and torture program put into effect and practiced by Shrub/Darth. Seems you want to hold the black guy to a higher standard? And the repub congress could have held them to account as well but you know, the black guy failed you. As for the sky is falling? Sure seemed like it a couple of weeks ago with all that Dems better figure it out or Team Trump Treason will be re-elected and warnings to turn off the news and go outside schtick. Sheesh, come down off that high horse you usurped.my2hands said:
I said they were psycopathic war criminals, not sure i can be any more clear on my opinion of that crew... it wasnt my job to "go after them", it was the job of the guy i voted for... you are actually making my pointHalifax2TheMax said:
Interesting that you didn’t go after the Administration directly responsible for the horrendous mess they created.my2hands said:
They were a bunch of psychopaths, and war criminals... Obama administration came in to power and decided to turn their head and refused to investigate let alone prosecute... they dropped the ball purposely...when the crew before you authorizes war crimes, its your responsibility to fucking do something about it, even if its not politically convenient... like i said, talk to ObamaHalifax2TheMax said:
And don’t you mean Bush/Cheney opurposelyr as I like to refer, Shrub/Darth?my2hands said:If you have a problem with real waterboarding, which is torture, and a war crime... then i suggest you talk to Obama and his administration
You damn well remember that was an issue, and very soon after his inauguration he said they werent going to look backwards regarding the actions of the previous administration that they were moving forward for the good of the country or some bullshit like that
When criminals break the law, i expect the police to do their job. This is an example of that. I was disappointed then, I'm still disappointed now.
Do you ever disagree with anything a Democrat does, ever? or just Bernie? Anything at all about the Obama administration that you were disappointed with? Or would that be racist?
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You expect the dems to investigate everything from Russia to toilet paper now that they have the house
But being dissapointed Obama & the dems didn't investigate shit when they had the white house, senate, AND house is somehow racist or being unfair to the black guy? Get the fuck outta here
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I still don't get the joke, sorry...PJ_Soul said:tempo_n_groove said:
That's exactly what I thought you meant which is ridiculous.PJ_Soul said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'm not Jewish so it will be hard to be like that... I have no idea what you mean "don't be like this"?PJ_Soul said:Just don't be like this Tempo! ...
but kinda serious too actually. This is one of the more apt Onion articles, and no, not because of the Nazi comparison, lol! *Whoosh*
It basically meant "don't ignore all the obvious warning signs until it's too late". (jokingly as far as your position is concerned, but that message isn't a joke in general. I think many Americans are doing exactly that - many are stuck in the "it can never happen to us" mindset. Too much faith in those so-called "checks and balances", you know?).
The sky isn't falling...Holy fuck, since when could you not take a joke at any level, or not distinguish between analogous and literal statements? And how do you think that Americans pretending that everything is okay when it isn't is not happening? Or that saying that is saying that the sky is falling? And btw, this "sky isn't falling" line is what's ridiculous.(and FWIW, I bet a ton of Jews said "the sky isn't falling" during the 30s. Seriously)
America has never been "okay". I see what goes on. Bad thing is it's always been going on and people forget that...It's the reason I started listening to punk and reading The Nation. Because everything isn't okay.
My new line for any of you that think the world is ending is "The sky isn't falling".Who thinks the world is ending (in America)? (the world as we know is likely in the process of ending because this is a new era of mass extinction, but that's not the issue at hand, lol)Anyone who thinks literally nothing new and different is going on the USA right now is in denial. Saying so doesn't say that nothing has ever been wrong.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Yes, yes I have been. The very issue you speak of as a matter of fact. Except I wouldn't tell someone to "speak with Obama" as it relates to waterboarding. He inherited a mess but didn't create it. Your comparison in this thread is partly whats wrong with politics and government in general. The blame is levied at the wrong person or place.I would have loved for the dems and Obama to appoint a special counsel to get to the bottom of 9/11 (mostly why Saudi Royal Family members were allowed to fly out of the country rather than be held as material witnesses or at the least, not fly like the rest of the wrold was grounded, and the connections between them, the hijackers and funding sources), the run up and misinformation to the Iraq War and the subsequent use of rendition, black sites and torture during the war on terror. I also would have preferred if some Wall Street and corporate types had been charged with a crime, or a 100, for the financial collapse. But Obama didn't cause all that shit and had a hell of a lot on his plate to deal with, in the immediate here and now way, than turn everyone's attention, time and effort to causing further disruption, discord and partisanship. I also would have preferred if Obama had stood up to the racism and bullshit of Boehner and McConnell by calling them out more forcefully, publically upbraiding them before the cameras, from everything for refusing the Christmas party invites, "you lie," during the SOTU, "our number one priority is to see this president fail," to the repub flip-flop on healthcare or any sother previous legislative issues where Obama compromised and they refused to deal. And the witholding of the Supreme Court nominee. All bullshit but not all Obama's fault. He wanted to close GITMO, had a prison in some podunk Idaho town that wanted the revenue from the transfer and housing, was prepared to try them in court and the repubs freaked out. Its like blaming your sister for the piss poor job of cleaning up after the mess your brother made.my2hands said:
It's interesting that everything is race with you.Halifax2TheMax said:
But you told me to speak with Obama? As far as I recall, the Obama Administration didn’t waterboard detainees and in fact, shed more light on the secret rendition and torture program put into effect and practiced by Shrub/Darth. Seems you want to hold the black guy to a higher standard? And the repub congress could have held them to account as well but you know, the black guy failed you. As for the sky is falling? Sure seemed like it a couple of weeks ago with all that Dems better figure it out or Team Trump Treason will be re-elected and warnings to turn off the news and go outside schtick. Sheesh, come down off that high horse you usurped.my2hands said:
I said they were psycopathic war criminals, not sure i can be any more clear on my opinion of that crew... it wasnt my job to "go after them", it was the job of the guy i voted for... you are actually making my pointHalifax2TheMax said:
Interesting that you didn’t go after the Administration directly responsible for the horrendous mess they created.my2hands said:
They were a bunch of psychopaths, and war criminals... Obama administration came in to power and decided to turn their head and refused to investigate let alone prosecute... they dropped the ball purposely...when the crew before you authorizes war crimes, its your responsibility to fucking do something about it, even if its not politically convenient... like i said, talk to ObamaHalifax2TheMax said:
And don’t you mean Bush/Cheney opurposelyr as I like to refer, Shrub/Darth?my2hands said:If you have a problem with real waterboarding, which is torture, and a war crime... then i suggest you talk to Obama and his administration
You damn well remember that was an issue, and very soon after his inauguration he said they werent going to look backwards regarding the actions of the previous administration that they were moving forward for the good of the country or some bullshit like that
When criminals break the law, i expect the police to do their job. This is an example of that. I was disappointed then, I'm still disappointed now.
Do you ever disagree with anything a Democrat does, ever? or just Bernie? Anything at all about the Obama administration that you were disappointed with? Or would that be racist?
Speaking of the police, Bernie was one of 100. Where was he?
I just find it interesting that you place more blame/disappointment/resentment on the black guy, who didn't run on a platform of holding the Bush Administration accountable, BTW, than the white guys before him or after him. And yes, I do believe race comes into play. In everything. Subtly, overtly, outrageously, inadvertently. In everything, everyday.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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No, not everything. Russia mostly. But I will take whatever they want to investigate because there's plenty to choose from.my2hands said:You expect the dems to investigate everything from Russia to toilet paper now that they have the house
But being dissapointed Obama & the dems didn't investigate shit when they had the white house, senate, AND house is somehow racist or being unfair to the black guy? Get the fuck outta here
What a joke
They were focused on healthcare 2 years after cleaning up the financial mess. Priorities, you know? Because holding Shrub/Darth accountable would have saved dem, union and black jobs in thsoe districts that Hillary needed in 2016, right?
Did I say you were racist? I made an observation and stated it. You don't think Obama is or has been held to a hgher standard than any president before him? You don't wonder why that is? And Team Trump Treason was going after Obama long before the WH press corps dinner.
True, the dems had the House for 2 years and a 57 vote majority in the senate at the same time. But it took 60 votes in the senate to pass legislation and Bernie was an independent (caucusing with the dems but still). What do you think should have happened in Congress as it related to Shrub/Darth? Where do you think it would have gone? In the context of everything else going on?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Watson, my good friend, we agree on a lot more than you might think0
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It’s not that I think we disagree but rather to challenge your assumptions.my2hands said:Watson, my good friend, we agree on a lot more than you might think09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Ferry them to Canada. Free healthcare and no Trump. It's a win / win. Should make everyone here on the Train happy.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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Would that be via the St. Lawrence Seaway or Panama Canal?Jason P said:Ferry them to Canada. Free healthcare and no Trump. It's a win / win. Should make everyone here on the Train happy.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-patrol-arrests-ms-13-223833511.html
U.S. Border Patrol agents have arrested a member of the infamous Salvadoran MS-13 gang who admitted to authorities that he traveled with a caravan of Central American migrants who were hoping to qualify for asylum in America.
Agents arrested Jose Villalobos-Jobel, 29, shortly after 6 p.m. on Saturday east of the Calexico Port of Entry on the U.S. side of the border, Customs and Border Protection said in a statement Wednesday.
During questioning at the El Centro station, the Honduran citizen confessed that he is an active member of MS-13 and had intended to enter the country illegally after traveling to the U.S. with the caravan of thousands of other migrants. He is in custody pending his deportation back to Honduras.
President Trump has made MS-13 a priority in his crackdown on illegal immigration and said last month that the latest caravan, estimated to consist of as many as 7,000 people, contained MS-13 members.
“You’re going to find MS-13, you’re going to find Middle Eastern, you’re going to find everything,” he said of the caravan travelers.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-patrol-arrests-ms-13-223833511.html
U.S. Border Patrol agents have arrested a member of the infamous Salvadoran MS-13 gang who admitted to authorities that he traveled with a caravan of Central American migrants who were hoping to qualify for asylum in America.
Agents arrested Jose Villalobos-Jobel, 29, shortly after 6 p.m. on Saturday east of the Calexico Port of Entry on the U.S. side of the border, Customs and Border Protection said in a statement Wednesday.
During questioning at the El Centro station, the Honduran citizen confessed that he is an active member of MS-13 and had intended to enter the country illegally after traveling to the U.S. with the caravan of thousands of other migrants. He is in custody pending his deportation back to Honduras.
President Trump has made MS-13 a priority in his crackdown on illegal immigration and said last month that the latest caravan, estimated to consist of as many as 7,000 people, contained MS-13 members.
“You’re going to find MS-13, you’re going to find Middle Eastern, you’re going to find everything,” he said of the caravan travelers.
Excellent. That's exactly why everyone wants people to be processed in an orderly fashion as they enter.This Middle Eastern thing just sounds a bit crazy to me though. It's just a strange connection/assumption. Right along with "everything", lol.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
https://cis.org/Bensman/If-Recent-Patterns-Hold-There-May-Indeed-Be-Terrorists-Inside-Border-CaravanPJ_Soul said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-patrol-arrests-ms-13-223833511.html
U.S. Border Patrol agents have arrested a member of the infamous Salvadoran MS-13 gang who admitted to authorities that he traveled with a caravan of Central American migrants who were hoping to qualify for asylum in America.
Agents arrested Jose Villalobos-Jobel, 29, shortly after 6 p.m. on Saturday east of the Calexico Port of Entry on the U.S. side of the border, Customs and Border Protection said in a statement Wednesday.
During questioning at the El Centro station, the Honduran citizen confessed that he is an active member of MS-13 and had intended to enter the country illegally after traveling to the U.S. with the caravan of thousands of other migrants. He is in custody pending his deportation back to Honduras.
President Trump has made MS-13 a priority in his crackdown on illegal immigration and said last month that the latest caravan, estimated to consist of as many as 7,000 people, contained MS-13 members.
“You’re going to find MS-13, you’re going to find Middle Eastern, you’re going to find everything,” he said of the caravan travelers.
Excellent. That's exactly why everyone wants people to be processed in an orderly fashion as they enter.This Middle Eastern thing just sounds a bit crazy to me though. It's just a strange connection/assumption. Right along with "everything", lol.
“While President Trump may well have employed the prospect of terrorist infiltration as election messaging, Middle Easterners from places like Syria, Iraq, and Egypt do indeed travel the same routes as Hondurans to the U.S. southern border, and rising numbers of suspected terrorists have, in fact, been apprehended at the border or en route in recent years.”
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Kay, so let's see the photos of the caravan. Middle Easterners are visually identifiable. They don't look anything like Hondurans. This is why it seems weird to me... If they see some Middle Easterners walking along with these people, then pull them aside and check them out. Just making random assumptions with absolutely no concrete reason so make them makes no sense.PJPOWER said:
https://cis.org/Bensman/If-Recent-Patterns-Hold-There-May-Indeed-Be-Terrorists-Inside-Border-CaravanPJ_Soul said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-patrol-arrests-ms-13-223833511.html
U.S. Border Patrol agents have arrested a member of the infamous Salvadoran MS-13 gang who admitted to authorities that he traveled with a caravan of Central American migrants who were hoping to qualify for asylum in America.
Agents arrested Jose Villalobos-Jobel, 29, shortly after 6 p.m. on Saturday east of the Calexico Port of Entry on the U.S. side of the border, Customs and Border Protection said in a statement Wednesday.
During questioning at the El Centro station, the Honduran citizen confessed that he is an active member of MS-13 and had intended to enter the country illegally after traveling to the U.S. with the caravan of thousands of other migrants. He is in custody pending his deportation back to Honduras.
President Trump has made MS-13 a priority in his crackdown on illegal immigration and said last month that the latest caravan, estimated to consist of as many as 7,000 people, contained MS-13 members.
“You’re going to find MS-13, you’re going to find Middle Eastern, you’re going to find everything,” he said of the caravan travelers.
Excellent. That's exactly why everyone wants people to be processed in an orderly fashion as they enter.This Middle Eastern thing just sounds a bit crazy to me though. It's just a strange connection/assumption. Right along with "everything", lol.
“While President Trump may well have employed the prospect of terrorist infiltration as election messaging, Middle Easterners from places like Syria, Iraq, and Egypt do indeed travel the same routes as Hondurans to the U.S. southern border, and rising numbers of suspected terrorists have, in fact, been apprehended at the border or en route in recent years.”
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PJ_Soul said:
Kay, so let's see the photos of the caravan. Middle Easterners are visually identifiable. They don't look anything like Hondurans. This is why it seems weird to me... If they see some Middle Easterners walking along with these people, then pull them aside and check them out. Just making random assumptions with absolutely no concrete reason so make them makes no sense.PJPOWER said:
https://cis.org/Bensman/If-Recent-Patterns-Hold-There-May-Indeed-Be-Terrorists-Inside-Border-CaravanPJ_Soul said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-patrol-arrests-ms-13-223833511.html
U.S. Border Patrol agents have arrested a member of the infamous Salvadoran MS-13 gang who admitted to authorities that he traveled with a caravan of Central American migrants who were hoping to qualify for asylum in America.
Agents arrested Jose Villalobos-Jobel, 29, shortly after 6 p.m. on Saturday east of the Calexico Port of Entry on the U.S. side of the border, Customs and Border Protection said in a statement Wednesday.
During questioning at the El Centro station, the Honduran citizen confessed that he is an active member of MS-13 and had intended to enter the country illegally after traveling to the U.S. with the caravan of thousands of other migrants. He is in custody pending his deportation back to Honduras.
President Trump has made MS-13 a priority in his crackdown on illegal immigration and said last month that the latest caravan, estimated to consist of as many as 7,000 people, contained MS-13 members.
“You’re going to find MS-13, you’re going to find Middle Eastern, you’re going to find everything,” he said of the caravan travelers.
Excellent. That's exactly why everyone wants people to be processed in an orderly fashion as they enter.This Middle Eastern thing just sounds a bit crazy to me though. It's just a strange connection/assumption. Right along with "everything", lol.
“While President Trump may well have employed the prospect of terrorist infiltration as election messaging, Middle Easterners from places like Syria, Iraq, and Egypt do indeed travel the same routes as Hondurans to the U.S. southern border, and rising numbers of suspected terrorists have, in fact, been apprehended at the border or en route in recent years.”
I am glad to not be the person making that call...Above are pics of Syrian and Honduran immigrants...I highly doubt they wound be advertising that they are Middle Easterners.Post edited by PJPOWER on0
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