Ohio considers bill that will ban abortion — with death penalty as possible punishment

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Ohio considers bill that will ban abortion — with death penalty as possible punishment

https://globalnews.ca/news/4684337/ohio-bill-abortion-death-penalty/?utm_source=GlobalNational&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3TDh5z-BK-9PmMnpdaqsmmSylu8kVNaFs4rjzQaq-GLTHnDdtpD7lVRRk
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    So pro-life they’ll kill you. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    From the article:  Brigitte Amiri, with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) Reproductive Freedom Project, said there hasn’t been any real movement on the bill and it is unlikely to pass in the House. She said the legislation seems to be more of a “distraction” from another abortion bill that was passed last week by Ohio’s House of Representatives. It would ban abortions after six weeks.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited November 2018
    Let's just hope they don't do retroactive charges, because I bet a WHOLE LOT of these anti-abortion/pro-death assholes would lose their own loved ones to capital punishment if they did, lol.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,517
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,517
    oftenreading said:
    We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 
    What  you said
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

    I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited November 2018
    CM189191 said:
    This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

    I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.
    You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid and is obviously never going to happen. But the abortion ban part)?
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJ_Soul said:
    CM189191 said:
    This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

    I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.
    You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid. But the abortion ban part)?
    If it gets that far
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    CM189191 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    CM189191 said:
    This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

    I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.
    You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid. But the abortion ban part)?
    If it gets that far
    I would like to think that, because that is literally the only conclusion SCOTUS judges who are actually doing the job they're supposed to do could come to... but I don't know...
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    oftenreading said:
    We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 

    Or as Obama said, abortions should be safe, legal, and rare. I'm all on board with efforts to reduce the need for abortions as much as possible -- preventing unwanted pregnancies.

    I say that as a mother, specifically a mother who had to face the medical decision to terminate a pregnancy or carry the baby to term. I chose to keep the baby -- and it was a choice, and it was my choice, which is at it should be.
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  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,623
    Bentleyspop said:
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
    Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
    Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 
    Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    oftenreading said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
    Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 
    Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?
    Agreed. As far as I can tell, not doing it "on demand" is simply a bad system doing its best to slow the process to the detriment of the patient.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    oftenreading said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
    Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 
    Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?

    I think it's a matter of wording. "On demand" makes it sound like a leisure activity or a substitute for contraception in our minds. We have HBO "On Demand," which is ours at the push of a button. It sounds casual and thoughtless and effortless.

    So the phrasing makes it sound like women can go to a drive-through and order an abortion with their venti mochas, when actually what I think is meant by the phrase is "without a 24-hour waiting period, without a transvaginal ultrasound, without parental or spousal consent, and without public shaming."
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    mcgruff10 said:
    So pro-life they’ll kill you. 
    about as succinctly as could be put. 
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