Ohio considers bill that will ban abortion — with death penalty as possible punishment

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Ohio considers bill that will ban abortion — with death penalty as possible punishment

https://globalnews.ca/news/4684337/ohio-bill-abortion-death-penalty/?utm_source=GlobalNational&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3TDh5z-BK-9PmMnpdaqsmmSylu8kVNaFs4rjzQaq-GLTHnDdtpD7lVRRk

mcgruff10

So pro-life they’ll kill you. 

mcgruff10

From the article:  Brigitte Amiri, with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) Reproductive Freedom Project, said there hasn’t been any real movement on the bill and it is unlikely to pass in the House. She said the legislation seems to be more of a “distraction” from another abortion bill that was passed last week by Ohio’s House of Representatives. It would ban abortions after six weeks.

cincybearcat

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

PJ_Soul

Let's just hope they don't do retroactive charges, because I bet a WHOLE LOT of these anti-abortion/pro-death assholes would lose their own loved ones to capital punishment if they did, lol.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

Bentleyspop

Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 

oftenreading

We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 

Bentleyspop

oftenreading said:

We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 

What  you said

CM189191

This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.

PJ_Soul

CM189191 said:

This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.

You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid and is obviously never going to happen. But the abortion ban part)?

CM189191

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.

You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid. But the abortion ban part)?

If it gets that far

PJ_Soul

CM189191 said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.

You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid. But the abortion ban part)?

If it gets that far

I would like to think that, because that is literally the only conclusion SCOTUS judges who are actually doing the job they're supposed to do could come to... but I don't know...

curmudgeoness

oftenreading said:

We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 

Or as Obama said, abortions should be safe, legal, and rare. I'm all on board with efforts to reduce the need for abortions as much as possible -- preventing unwanted pregnancies.

I say that as a mother, specifically a mother who had to face the medical decision to terminate a pregnancy or carry the baby to term. I chose to keep the baby -- and it was a choice, and it was my choice, which is at it should be.

drakeheuer14

Bentleyspop said:

Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 

Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 

oftenreading

drakeheuer14 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 

Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 

Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?

PJ_Soul

oftenreading said:

drakeheuer14 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 

Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 

Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?

Agreed. As far as I can tell, not doing it "on demand" is simply a bad system doing its best to slow the process to the detriment of the patient.

fife

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

my2hands

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

curmudgeoness

oftenreading said:

drakeheuer14 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 

Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 

Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?

I think it's a matter of wording. "On demand" makes it sound like a leisure activity or a substitute for contraception in our minds. We have HBO "On Demand," which is ours at the push of a button. It sounds casual and thoughtless and effortless.

So the phrasing makes it sound like women can go to a drive-through and order an abortion with their venti mochas, when actually what I think is meant by the phrase is "without a 24-hour waiting period, without a transvaginal ultrasound, without parental or spousal consent, and without public shaming."

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

So pro-life they’ll kill you. 

about as succinctly as could be put. 

PJ_Soul

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

#thehandmaidstale

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

#thehandmaidstale

#haventseenthat

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

#thehandmaidstale

#haventseenthat

#theyarebooks Have you not read The Handmaid's Tale?! I thought that was actually required reading for all Canadians in high school. It is certainly one of the most important Canadian books of all time. And it's one of my favorite books of all time in any case, by one of the greatest authors of all time - I love Atwood so much! The show is fucking fantastic too - well worth watching. Only the entire first season is from the book (and it's a very good adaptation - Margaret Atwood is heavily involved). After the first season, the story continues the story beyond the book... which is, amazingly, wonderful. I am so happy to have the story proceed, and to get more detail about the circumstances leading up to the dystopian society.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

#thehandmaidstale

#haventseenthat

#theyarebooks Have you not read The Handmaid's Tale?! I thought that was actually required reading for all Canadians in high school. It is certainly one of the most important Canadian books of all time. And it's one of my favorite books of all time in any case, by one of the greatest authors of all time - I love Atwood so much! The show is fucking fantastic too - well worth watching. Only the entire first season is from the book (and it's a very good adaptation - Margaret Atwood is heavily involved). After the first season, the story continues the story beyond the book... which is, amazingly, wonderful. I am so happy to have the story proceed, and to get more detail about the circumstances leading up to the dystopian society.

it wasn't. I hadn't even heard of it until I heard buzz about the show. I'm not a big reader of fiction. I prefer non-. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

What a great show.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

What a great show.

Meh. Highly overrated IMO. The book is way better, and even that isn't great IMO.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

#thehandmaidstale

#haventseenthat

#theyarebooks Have you not read The Handmaid's Tale?! I thought that was actually required reading for all Canadians in high school. It is certainly one of the most important Canadian books of all time. And it's one of my favorite books of all time in any case, by one of the greatest authors of all time - I love Atwood so much! The show is fucking fantastic too - well worth watching. Only the entire first season is from the book (and it's a very good adaptation - Margaret Atwood is heavily involved). After the first season, the story continues the story beyond the book... which is, amazingly, wonderful. I am so happy to have the story proceed, and to get more detail about the circumstances leading up to the dystopian society.

it wasn't. I hadn't even heard of it until I heard buzz about the show. I'm not a big reader of fiction. I prefer non-. 

You should give it a shot even if it's just to get an important piece of true Canadiana into you head, not to mention current pop culture. The story is considered relevant to today's issues in many ways. I bet you'll like it. And it's not very long, lol. And the show... also very relevant to today's political atmosphere. A strong message of warning.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.

If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.

I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  

Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions

Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.

#childrenofmen

#thehandmaidstale

#haventseenthat

#theyarebooks Have you not read The Handmaid's Tale?! I thought that was actually required reading for all Canadians in high school. It is certainly one of the most important Canadian books of all time. And it's one of my favorite books of all time in any case, by one of the greatest authors of all time - I love Atwood so much! The show is fucking fantastic too - well worth watching. Only the entire first season is from the book (and it's a very good adaptation - Margaret Atwood is heavily involved). After the first season, the story continues the story beyond the book... which is, amazingly, wonderful. I am so happy to have the story proceed, and to get more detail about the circumstances leading up to the dystopian society.

it wasn't. I hadn't even heard of it until I heard buzz about the show. I'm not a big reader of fiction. I prefer non-. 

You should give it a shot even if it's just to get an important piece of true Canadiana into you head, not to mention current pop culture. The story is considered relevant to today's issues in many ways. I bet you'll like it. And it's not very long, lol. And the show... also very relevant to today's political atmosphere. A strong message of warning.

nice little shot at my attention span, there, total asshole.