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Ohio considers bill that will ban abortion — with death penalty as possible punishment

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,614
    So pro-life they’ll kill you. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,614
    From the article:  Brigitte Amiri, with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) Reproductive Freedom Project, said there hasn’t been any real movement on the bill and it is unlikely to pass in the House. She said the legislation seems to be more of a “distraction” from another abortion bill that was passed last week by Ohio’s House of Representatives. It would ban abortions after six weeks.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    edited November 2018
    Let's just hope they don't do retroactive charges, because I bet a WHOLE LOT of these anti-abortion/pro-death assholes would lose their own loved ones to capital punishment if they did, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,821
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,821
    oftenreading said:
    We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 
    What  you said
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

    I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    edited November 2018
    CM189191 said:
    This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

    I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.
    You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid and is obviously never going to happen. But the abortion ban part)?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJ_Soul said:
    CM189191 said:
    This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

    I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.
    You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid. But the abortion ban part)?
    If it gets that far
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    CM189191 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    CM189191 said:
    This law was specifically written to push the issue to the Supreme Court. 

    I don't think it will have the intended outcome pro-lifers hope it will.
    You mean you think the SCOTUS will knock it down once it reaches them (not the capital punishment part - that's fucking stupid. But the abortion ban part)?
    If it gets that far
    I would like to think that, because that is literally the only conclusion SCOTUS judges who are actually doing the job they're supposed to do could come to... but I don't know...
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,990
    oftenreading said:
    We will never have zero abortions. Better to provide good sex ed, barrier free access to contraception and safe abortions where necessary and desired. 

    Or as Obama said, abortions should be safe, legal, and rare. I'm all on board with efforts to reduce the need for abortions as much as possible -- preventing unwanted pregnancies.

    I say that as a mother, specifically a mother who had to face the medical decision to terminate a pregnancy or carry the baby to term. I chose to keep the baby -- and it was a choice, and it was my choice, which is at it should be.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,500
    Bentleyspop said:
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
    Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
    Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 
    Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    oftenreading said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
    Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 
    Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?
    Agreed. As far as I can tell, not doing it "on demand" is simply a bad system doing its best to slow the process to the detriment of the patient.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,990
    oftenreading said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Keep it legal, affordable, safe, and on demand 
    Sounds so simplified and wrong everytime you include this part. Again, this death penalty suggestion is absurd. 
    Why is it wrong? If a woman had made a decision to get an abortion, why should she have to go through artificial hoops?

    I think it's a matter of wording. "On demand" makes it sound like a leisure activity or a substitute for contraception in our minds. We have HBO "On Demand," which is ours at the push of a button. It sounds casual and thoughtless and effortless.

    So the phrasing makes it sound like women can go to a drive-through and order an abortion with their venti mochas, when actually what I think is meant by the phrase is "without a 24-hour waiting period, without a transvaginal ultrasound, without parental or spousal consent, and without public shaming."
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    mcgruff10 said:
    So pro-life they’ll kill you. 
    about as succinctly as could be put. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    #thehandmaidstale
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    #thehandmaidstale
    #haventseenthat
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    edited November 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    #thehandmaidstale
    #haventseenthat
    #theyarebooks :lol:;) Have you not read The Handmaid's Tale?! I thought that was actually required reading for all Canadians in high school. It is certainly one of the most important Canadian books of all time. And it's one of my favorite books of all time in any case, by one of the greatest authors of all time - I love Atwood so much! The show is fucking fantastic too - well worth watching. Only the entire first season is from the book (and it's a very good adaptation - Margaret Atwood is heavily involved). After the first season, the story continues the story beyond the book... which is, amazingly, wonderful. I am so happy to have the story proceed, and to get more detail about the circumstances leading up to the dystopian society.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    #thehandmaidstale
    #haventseenthat
    #theyarebooks :lol:;) Have you not read The Handmaid's Tale?! I thought that was actually required reading for all Canadians in high school. It is certainly one of the most important Canadian books of all time. And it's one of my favorite books of all time in any case, by one of the greatest authors of all time - I love Atwood so much! The show is fucking fantastic too - well worth watching. Only the entire first season is from the book (and it's a very good adaptation - Margaret Atwood is heavily involved). After the first season, the story continues the story beyond the book... which is, amazingly, wonderful. I am so happy to have the story proceed, and to get more detail about the circumstances leading up to the dystopian society.
    it wasn't. I hadn't even heard of it until I heard buzz about the show. I'm not a big reader of fiction. I prefer non-. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    What a great show.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    What a great show.
    Meh. Highly overrated IMO. The book is way better, and even that isn't great IMO.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    edited November 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    #thehandmaidstale
    #haventseenthat
    #theyarebooks :lol:;) Have you not read The Handmaid's Tale?! I thought that was actually required reading for all Canadians in high school. It is certainly one of the most important Canadian books of all time. And it's one of my favorite books of all time in any case, by one of the greatest authors of all time - I love Atwood so much! The show is fucking fantastic too - well worth watching. Only the entire first season is from the book (and it's a very good adaptation - Margaret Atwood is heavily involved). After the first season, the story continues the story beyond the book... which is, amazingly, wonderful. I am so happy to have the story proceed, and to get more detail about the circumstances leading up to the dystopian society.
    it wasn't. I hadn't even heard of it until I heard buzz about the show. I'm not a big reader of fiction. I prefer non-. 
    You should give it a shot even if it's just to get an important piece of true Canadiana into you head, not to mention current pop culture. The story is considered relevant to today's issues in many ways. I bet you'll like it. And it's not very long, lol. And the show... also very relevant to today's political atmosphere. A strong message of warning.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    fife said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Well if having an abortion is considered murder...and the state has capitol punishment...it seems like a logical potential.

    Now should the law be in place to begin with? I’ll have to read more. I feel kinda stuck in this abortion debate based on my personal beliefs. Cause I wish we had 0 abortions.
    If you want 0 abortions you'll have to accept the end of the human race, because the only thing that would result in that number would be for either all women or all men to become sterile.
    I don't understand this post.  care to elaborate?  
    Summary: As long as humans fuck, we will have abortions
    Well, as long as they are able to procreate, anyway.
    #childrenofmen
    #thehandmaidstale
    #haventseenthat
    #theyarebooks :lol:;) Have you not read The Handmaid's Tale?! I thought that was actually required reading for all Canadians in high school. It is certainly one of the most important Canadian books of all time. And it's one of my favorite books of all time in any case, by one of the greatest authors of all time - I love Atwood so much! The show is fucking fantastic too - well worth watching. Only the entire first season is from the book (and it's a very good adaptation - Margaret Atwood is heavily involved). After the first season, the story continues the story beyond the book... which is, amazingly, wonderful. I am so happy to have the story proceed, and to get more detail about the circumstances leading up to the dystopian society.
    it wasn't. I hadn't even heard of it until I heard buzz about the show. I'm not a big reader of fiction. I prefer non-. 
    You should give it a shot even if it's just to get an important piece of true Canadiana into you head, not to mention current pop culture. The story is considered relevant to today's issues in many ways. I bet you'll like it. And it's not very long, lol. And the show... also very relevant to today's political atmosphere. A strong message of warning.
    nice little shot at my attention span, there, total asshole.  =)
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




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