Did you vote, yet?

Bentleyspop said:

If you haven't voted please do so

https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/1057400821434871808?s=19

Right on, Carl! 

I voted on my Florida absentee ballot. I voted for the guy Trump says is a thief. If Trump says he's a thief he's probably a good guy one can not believe every and anything that comes out of his mouth.

Peace

You every right to complain, whether one votes or not.  I don’t personally ask people if they vote or not ... that’s no-one’s business...

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Probably sitting it out just like in 2016.

Over the many years I have voted, I have had friends tell me this.  They usually come under a number of categories:

-People who find the U.S. political system or climate too frustrating.

-People who believe voting is futile because they never get what they want.

-People who feel cynical about our political system because "it is all rigged so why bother anyway?"

-People who don't care or can't be bothered.

Just curious- do you see yourself fitting one of these descriptions?  Can you picture a situation in which you might change your mind and go ahead and vote?

When Obama was President I tried telling people here that a President that legislates is bad news because it could go the other way if your candidate that is chosen for you loses.  Well, here we are.

Participation in a system that treats the entire thing publicly like a tennis match but behind closed doors is all chummy isn't something I desire to be involved with.  

In the end I will do what I want.  The bs laws won't change the temperature in my living room.  If a politician passes a gun ban then my guns will be lost in a tragic boating accident.  They ***none of them*** are my rulers and couldn't give two craps about what they think.  A politician that tries to reduce freedom deserves only one thing.  They are not our friends, they care only about their own power.  Some are worse than others.  I have only viewed one in high enough regard that I worked for him and even that one was one I disagreed on some issues with.

Any participation is only because it is forced under threat of loss of freedom, I do still pay taxes because I don't want the thin blue line to shoot my dog.  I do not want to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage.  The system exists because we are forced to be involved.  People will bitch about this or that but when they find out someone doesn't want to play the bullshit game with the rules deemed to be in place by elitist a**holes then they call them names like sovereign or some other bs label.  Hypocrites.

As someone that used to be a democrat and saw how that party has abandoned the middle class and then somewhat Libertarian and how that group lost its' mind as well I suppose I could be best described as a Minarchist at this point.  My participation is forced, but it will be as minimal as I can make it.

Can't wait until someone here brings up roads in response to this.

On edit: No celebrity provides any use for me so their opinions amount to nothing more than a quick blast of hot air on a cool day.  Nobody should listen to what people that have their own private security and live behind their locked gates thinks about society or how you should run your family life.

dankind said:

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Probably sitting it out just like in 2016.

No local/state issues on the ballot that need your attention?  I understand people skipping voting for candidates if no one really matches up enough or if 1 isn;t way worse than the other.  But generally there are state/local issues that I am betting you have an opinion on.

I know that this wasn’t addressed to me, but see my above post on how Massachusetts legalized recreational cannabis TWO YEARS AGO, yet not a single shop has opened in the entire state. So you can either grow it, get a MMJ card or buy it illegally from a dealer and pray that it’s not laced with fentanyl. (Boy, do these Massholes LOVE their fentanyl.)

Also, on that same ballot, my town voted to refurbish a multi-use path on an old railbed (bike trail, walking trail) that has been neglected and overtaken by weeds and ivy, but those rich folks who abut the abandoned trail don’t want it put back into use for their neighbors—and they’re terrified that the brown people from the next town over, which has lovely hiking trails of its own, by the way, will wind up in full view of their family dinner tables. So do you think anything has happened on that trail for my town yet? But, boy, it sure did feel good to go out and vote and pretend that we’re making a difference.

And for any condescending motherfucker who wants to label this cynicism, I guess you can’t fucking read. It’s the reality of my local politics. Maybe yours are better. 

has anyone or a group sued? for either issue?

mickeyrat said:

dankind said:

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Probably sitting it out just like in 2016.

No local/state issues on the ballot that need your attention?  I understand people skipping voting for candidates if no one really matches up enough or if 1 isn;t way worse than the other.  But generally there are state/local issues that I am betting you have an opinion on.

I know that this wasn’t addressed to me, but see my above post on how Massachusetts legalized recreational cannabis TWO YEARS AGO, yet not a single shop has opened in the entire state. So you can either grow it, get a MMJ card or buy it illegally from a dealer and pray that it’s not laced with fentanyl. (Boy, do these Massholes LOVE their fentanyl.)

Also, on that same ballot, my town voted to refurbish a multi-use path on an old railbed (bike trail, walking trail) that has been neglected and overtaken by weeds and ivy, but those rich folks who abut the abandoned trail don’t want it put back into use for their neighbors—and they’re terrified that the brown people from the next town over, which has lovely hiking trails of its own, by the way, will wind up in full view of their family dinner tables. So do you think anything has happened on that trail for my town yet? But, boy, it sure did feel good to go out and vote and pretend that we’re making a difference.

And for any condescending motherfucker who wants to label this cynicism, I guess you can’t fucking read. It’s the reality of my local politics. Maybe yours are better. 

has anyone or a group sued? for either issue?

I think that the abutters are actually the ones who have threatened legal action on the trail issue. And I don't think that stoners are really the litigious type--and even if they were, I'm sure that the commonwealth has covered its ass in all kinds of ways on this one.

Shit got done in Brooklyn and New York (and obviously elsewhere: California, Washington, Colorado, etc.) on ballot questions, but with the way I've seen things enter a indeterminable holding pattern in the commonwealth of Massachusetts, I'm no longer inclined to waste my time at the polls here.

dankind said:

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Probably sitting it out just like in 2016.

No local/state issues on the ballot that need your attention?  I understand people skipping voting for candidates if no one really matches up enough or if 1 isn;t way worse than the other.  But generally there are state/local issues that I am betting you have an opinion on.

I know that this wasn’t addressed to me, but see my above post on how Massachusetts legalized recreational cannabis TWO YEARS AGO, yet not a single shop has opened in the entire state. So you can either grow it, get a MMJ card or buy it illegally from a dealer and pray that it’s not laced with fentanyl. (Boy, do these Massholes LOVE their fentanyl.)

Also, on that same ballot, my town voted to refurbish a multi-use path on an old railbed (bike trail, walking trail) that has been neglected and overtaken by weeds and ivy, but those rich folks who abut the abandoned trail don’t want it put back into use for their neighbors—and they’re terrified that the brown people from the next town over, which has lovely hiking trails of its own, by the way, will wind up in full view of their family dinner tables. So do you think anything has happened on that trail for my town yet? But, boy, it sure did feel good to go out and vote and pretend that we’re making a difference.

And for any condescending motherfucker who wants to label this cynicism, I guess you can’t fucking read. It’s the reality of my local politics. Maybe yours are better. 

My bad.

dankind said:

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Probably sitting it out just like in 2016.

No local/state issues on the ballot that need your attention?  I understand people skipping voting for candidates if no one really matches up enough or if 1 isn;t way worse than the other.  But generally there are state/local issues that I am betting you have an opinion on.

I know that this wasn’t addressed to me, but see my above post on how Massachusetts legalized recreational cannabis TWO YEARS AGO, yet not a single shop has opened in the entire state. So you can either grow it, get a MMJ card or buy it illegally from a dealer and pray that it’s not laced with fentanyl. (Boy, do these Massholes LOVE their fentanyl.)

Also, on that same ballot, my town voted to refurbish a multi-use path on an old railbed (bike trail, walking trail) that has been neglected and overtaken by weeds and ivy, but those rich folks who abut the abandoned trail don’t want it put back into use for their neighbors—and they’re terrified that the brown people from the next town over, which has lovely hiking trails of its own, by the way, will wind up in full view of their family dinner tables. So do you think anything has happened on that trail for my town yet? But, boy, it sure did feel good to go out and vote and pretend that we’re making a difference.

And for any condescending motherfucker who wants to label this cynicism, I guess you can’t fucking read. It’s the reality of my local politics. Maybe yours are better. 

I understand your frustration, but, damn, if you can grow legally, you don't have anything to complain about lol

brianlux said:

dankind said:

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Probably sitting it out just like in 2016.

No local/state issues on the ballot that need your attention?  I understand people skipping voting for candidates if no one really matches up enough or if 1 isn;t way worse than the other.  But generally there are state/local issues that I am betting you have an opinion on.

I know that this wasn’t addressed to me, but see my above post on how Massachusetts legalized recreational cannabis TWO YEARS AGO, yet not a single shop has opened in the entire state. So you can either grow it, get a MMJ card or buy it illegally from a dealer and pray that it’s not laced with fentanyl. (Boy, do these Massholes LOVE their fentanyl.)

Also, on that same ballot, my town voted to refurbish a multi-use path on an old railbed (bike trail, walking trail) that has been neglected and overtaken by weeds and ivy, but those rich folks who abut the abandoned trail don’t want it put back into use for their neighbors—and they’re terrified that the brown people from the next town over, which has lovely hiking trails of its own, by the way, will wind up in full view of their family dinner tables. So do you think anything has happened on that trail for my town yet? But, boy, it sure did feel good to go out and vote and pretend that we’re making a difference.

And for any condescending motherfucker who wants to label this cynicism, I guess you can’t fucking read. It’s the reality of my local politics. Maybe yours are better. 

Since I'm the one who brought up "cynicism", I guess this is aimed at me.  Well Dan, I try very hard not to be condescending.  I've often been as self-critical here as others have been critical of me.  And I will tell you this in all and absolute honesty:  I never fucked my mother.

Have a day.

Not directed at you at all, Brian -- just a preemptive defense because I know how it gets in AMT.