psst...9/18/2018

The "price that the flipper collects" should go to the artists that create posters and to the bands, and now it doesn't.

Although I am anti-flipper, I disagree with this statement. 

The artist knows now how much they’ll earn for a poster they create. It’s one of the safest business models I’ve ever seen. 
They are commissioned to make a certain number of posters.  They are guaranteed X%. They agree to that. And the posters usually sell out.

For instance, Leonardo da Vinci was paid for painting the Mona Lisa. The value of the painting increased. He didn’t see any additional commissions on the Mona Lisa after selling it the first time. 

A vineyard releases a wonderful Pinot Noir. They are paid for it. As it ages, the value goes up while sitting in a wine shop. The seller increases the price. The vineyard isn’t entitled to those additional proceeds. 

I have a Mark McGuire rookie baseball card. I paid a few cents for it originally. Now it’s worth $10.  Topps baseball card corporation already agreed to sell the card originally for a certain profit margin. Topps Corp isn’t entitled to anything for it today. 

The point is, artists agree to, and are paid for the job. They also get access to thousands of buyers (us) by piggy backing onto the back of a  band like PJ.  I wouldn’t be buying any Ames Bros prints if it weren’t for PJ. So, in my mind, these artists are lucky to have PJ and us. 

Again, I am anti flipper. However, I understand business models. And I understand the art world and collectibles. Artists are paid once for their work. If their work is in high demand and they create an amazing name for themselves (Klausen, EMEK, ect...) they get hired and commissioned for more work, by other bands, ect. There’s a benefit they receive that isn’t exactly a straight line from one particular poster being “flipped”. The benefit is their increased reputation.

Milestone said:

The "price that the flipper collects" should go to the artists that create posters and to the bands, and now it doesn't.

Although I am anti-flipper, I disagree with this statement. 

The artist knows now how much they’ll earn for a poster they create. It’s one of the safest business models I’ve ever seen. 
They are commissioned to make a certain number of posters.  They are guaranteed X%. They agree to that. And the posters usually sell out.

For instance, Leonardo da Vinci was paid for painting the Mona Lisa. The value of the painting increased. He didn’t see any additional commissions on the Mona Lisa after selling it the first time. 

A vineyard releases a wonderful Pinot Noir. They are paid for it. As it ages, the value goes up while sitting in a wine shop. The seller increases the price. The vineyard isn’t entitled to those additional proceeds. 

I have a Mark McGuire rookie baseball card. I paid a few cents for it originally. Now it’s worth $10.  Topps baseball card corporation already agreed to sell the card originally for a certain profit margin. Topps Corp isn’t entitled to anything for it today. 

The point is, artists agree to, and are paid for the job. They also get access to thousands of buyers (us) by piggy backing onto the back of a  band like PJ.  I wouldn’t be buying any Ames Bros prints if it weren’t for PJ. So, in my mind, these artists are lucky to have PJ and us. 

Again, I am anti flipper. However, I understand business models. And I understand the art world and collectibles. Artists are paid once for their work. If their work is in high demand and they create an amazing name for themselves (Klausen, EMEK, ect...) they get hired and commissioned for more work, by other bands, ect. There’s a benefit they receive that isn’t exactly a straight line from one particular poster being “flipped”. The benefit is their increased reputation.

I meant to include some of this line of thought in my posts as well, I agree!  After that initial sale, it's no longer about money that the artist should have or could have collected anymore.  

tempo_n_groove said:

Milestone said:

The "price that the flipper collects" should go to the artists that create posters and to the bands, and now it doesn't.

Although I am anti-flipper, I disagree with this statement. 

The artist knows now how much they’ll earn for a poster they create. It’s one of the safest business models I’ve ever seen. 
They are commissioned to make a certain number of posters.  They are guaranteed X%. They agree to that. And the posters usually sell out.

For instance, Leonardo da Vinci was paid for painting the Mona Lisa. The value of the painting increased. He didn’t see any additional commissions on the Mona Lisa after selling it the first time. 

A vineyard releases a wonderful Pinot Noir. They are paid for it. As it ages, the value goes up while sitting in a wine shop. The seller increases the price. The vineyard isn’t entitled to those additional proceeds. 

I have a Mark McGuire rookie baseball card. I paid a few cents for it originally. Now it’s worth $10.  Topps baseball card corporation already agreed to sell the card originally for a certain profit margin. Topps Corp isn’t entitled to anything for it today. 

The point is, artists agree to, and are paid for the job. They also get access to thousands of buyers (us) by piggy backing onto the back of a  band like PJ.  I wouldn’t be buying any Ames Bros prints if it weren’t for PJ. So, in my mind, these artists are lucky to have PJ and us. 

Again, I am anti flipper. However, I understand business models. And I understand the art world and collectibles. Artists are paid once for their work. If their work is in high demand and they create an amazing name for themselves (Klausen, EMEK, ect...) they get hired and commissioned for more work, by other bands, ect. There’s a benefit they receive that isn’t exactly a straight line from one particular poster being “flipped”. The benefit is their increased reputation.

Something that all of these companies/artists do is have "attic stock" or archives.  Someone like Sperry, Spusta, Welker or Emek only release part of their  runs because they know they will make a ton later down the line.  They aren't dumb.

WindowPaine said:

CROJAM95 said:

lotta people are in prayer right now....probably not fair to have a drop today

Easy Fast for all my friends

how is that not fair? that's their choice. 

Exactly.  A lot of people had to go to work today.  Now.....that's really not fair!  

Ya, Imagine Santos dropped the Mumford EV London on Christmas Morning. Sweet baby Jesus

Disgusted at free speech?  Disgusted that the world doesn't recognize a particular holiday and shut down commerce?  Disgusted that everyone doesn't agree with you? Disgusted that not all of your 13,526 posts are super-duper popular?  Help me understand why you are disgusted on this fine afternoon.

unknown said:

can someone tell me where to find the phish prints ?

unknown said:

can someone tell me where to find the phish prints ?

Go to FB and join a group.  There will be tons of Wooks raffling them or razzing them...

Milestone said:

Disgusted at free speech?  Disgusted that the world doesn't recognize a particular holiday and shut down commerce?  Disgusted that everyone doesn't agree with you? Disgusted that not all of your 13,526 posts are super-duper popular?  Help me understand why you are disgusted on this fine afternoon.