That's no problem to disagree. And I personally don't see any problem with people flipping the posters either, especially seeing that the way that they are initially sold intentionally feeds and encourages the demand that creates flippers. Doesn't mean that I like it, I just see no difference in buying a $35 poster as trade bait for one that's being sold for $500, and buying a $35 poster to sell it for $500 cash. It's the same thing, that's why I equate 14 with being a flipper. And again, I don't think being a flipper is bad. Flippers are willing to spend the time it takes to wait in lines or stalk message boards for hours, days, and weeks on end to get what they need. Other folks just aren't willing to go to that trouble, and that's ok. Because of flippers, those who aren't willing to put in the time can get what they want any time they want, but that convenience has a price that the flipper collects.
but are there people out there really going to that extreme ? stalking message boards for mutliple artist posters ?
I kind of thought this was just a pearl jam issue, i didn't know many other bands that are having as much demand for
posters in general. I just don't see who has time for all that ?
Phish posters are very difficult at shows, usually limited to 900-1000 per show, AP releases 50-100 and go in seconds. Same thing for Dave Matthews Band. Other groups such as Foo Fighters, Primus and a few others have a pretty big following as well.
Imagine the shit show if PJ only released 1 poster with a 1,200 run?
Doesn't Pollock make smaller runs?
Also PJ used to do way more limited runs on posters. 2016 there was a significant increase which was noticeable. There was a pic of a box with the 16 Emek print with a run of 1900 I believe?
Everything started to change after Wrigley 13.
For the cancelled Curve Ball festival (90 minutes from my house but wife and I had date at Wrigley) they were selling only 1500
where did santo say that there wouldn't be a drop today ?
He literally said it in this fuckng post.
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Krakow poster is sold out. That's it for today. There will be no drops9/19/2018.
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Thanks! This'll keep us living our normal lives for a bit longer haha
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That's no problem to disagree. And I personally don't see any problem with people flipping the posters either, especially seeing that the way that they are initially sold intentionally feeds and encourages the demand that creates flippers. Doesn't mean that I like it, I just see no difference in buying a $35 poster as trade bait for one that's being sold for $500, and buying a $35 poster to sell it for $500 cash. It's the same thing, that's why I equate 14 with being a flipper. And again, I don't think being a flipper is bad. Flippers are willing to spend the time it takes to wait in lines or stalk message boards for hours, days, and weeks on end to get what they need. Other folks just aren't willing to go to that trouble, and that's ok. Because of flippers, those who aren't willing to put in the time can get what they want any time they want, but that convenience has a price that the flipper collects.
but are there people out there really going to that extreme ? stalking message boards for mutliple artist posters ?
I kind of thought this was just a pearl jam issue, i didn't know many other bands that are having as much demand for
posters in general. I just don't see who has time for all that ?
Phish posters are very difficult at shows, usually limited to 900-1000 per show, AP releases 50-100 and go in seconds. Same thing for Dave Matthews Band. Other groups such as Foo Fighters, Primus and a few others have a pretty big following as well.
Imagine the shit show if PJ only released 1 poster with a 1,200 run?
Doesn't Pollock make smaller runs?
Also PJ used to do way more limited runs on posters. 2016 there was a significant increase which was noticeable. There was a pic of a box with the 16 Emek print with a run of 1900 I believe?
Everything started to change after Wrigley 13.
For the cancelled Curve Ball festival (90 minutes from my house but wife and I had date at Wrigley) they were selling only 1500
That's no problem to disagree. And I personally don't see any problem with people flipping the posters either, especially seeing that the way that they are initially sold intentionally feeds and encourages the demand that creates flippers. Doesn't mean that I like it, I just see no difference in buying a $35 poster as trade bait for one that's being sold for $500, and buying a $35 poster to sell it for $500 cash. It's the same thing, that's why I equate 14 with being a flipper. And again, I don't think being a flipper is bad. Flippers are willing to spend the time it takes to wait in lines or stalk message boards for hours, days, and weeks on end to get what they need. Other folks just aren't willing to go to that trouble, and that's ok. Because of flippers, those who aren't willing to put in the time can get what they want any time they want, but that convenience has a price that the flipper collects.
but are there people out there really going to that extreme ? stalking message boards for mutliple artist posters ?
I kind of thought this was just a pearl jam issue, i didn't know many other bands that are having as much demand for
posters in general. I just don't see who has time for all that ?
Phish posters are very difficult at shows, usually limited to 900-1000 per show, AP releases 50-100 and go in seconds. Same thing for Dave Matthews Band. Other groups such as Foo Fighters, Primus and a few others have a pretty big following as well.
Imagine the shit show if PJ only released 1 poster with a 1,200 run?
Doesn't Pollock make smaller runs?
Also PJ used to do way more limited runs on posters. 2016 there was a significant increase which was noticeable. There was a pic of a box with the 16 Emek print with a run of 1900 I believe?
Everything started to change after Wrigley 13.
For the cancelled Curve Ball festival (90 minutes from my house but wife and I had date at Wrigley) they were selling only 1500
That's no problem to disagree. And I personally don't see any problem with people flipping the posters either, especially seeing that the way that they are initially sold intentionally feeds and encourages the demand that creates flippers. Doesn't mean that I like it, I just see no difference in buying a $35 poster as trade bait for one that's being sold for $500, and buying a $35 poster to sell it for $500 cash. It's the same thing, that's why I equate 14 with being a flipper. And again, I don't think being a flipper is bad. Flippers are willing to spend the time it takes to wait in lines or stalk message boards for hours, days, and weeks on end to get what they need. Other folks just aren't willing to go to that trouble, and that's ok. Because of flippers, those who aren't willing to put in the time can get what they want any time they want, but that convenience has a price that the flipper collects.
but are there people out there really going to that extreme ? stalking message boards for mutliple artist posters ?
I kind of thought this was just a pearl jam issue, i didn't know many other bands that are having as much demand for
posters in general. I just don't see who has time for all that ?
Phish posters are very difficult at shows, usually limited to 900-1000 per show, AP releases 50-100 and go in seconds. Same thing for Dave Matthews Band. Other groups such as Foo Fighters, Primus and a few others have a pretty big following as well.
Imagine the shit show if PJ only released 1 poster with a 1,200 run?
Doesn't Pollock make smaller runs?
Also PJ used to do way more limited runs on posters. 2016 there was a significant increase which was noticeable. There was a pic of a box with the 16 Emek print with a run of 1900 I believe?
Everything started to change after Wrigley 13.
For the cancelled Curve Ball festival (90 minutes from my house but wife and I had date at Wrigley) they were selling only 1500
The "price that the flipper collects" should go to the artists that create posters and to the bands, and now it doesn't.
Although I am anti-flipper, I disagree with this statement.
The artist knows now how much they’ll earn for a poster they create. It’s one of the safest business models I’ve ever seen. They are commissioned to make a certain number of posters. They are guaranteed X%. They agree to that. And the posters usually sell out.
For instance, Leonardo da Vinci was paid for painting the Mona Lisa. The value of the painting increased. He didn’t see any additional commissions on the Mona Lisa after selling it the first time.
A vineyard releases a wonderful Pinot Noir. They are paid for it. As it ages, the value goes up while sitting in a wine shop. The seller increases the price. The vineyard isn’t entitled to those additional proceeds.
I have a Mark McGuire rookie baseball card. I paid a few cents for it originally. Now it’s worth $10. Topps baseball card corporation already agreed to sell the card originally for a certain profit margin. Topps Corp isn’t entitled to anything for it today.
The point is, artists agree to, and are paid for the job. They also get access to thousands of buyers (us) by piggy backing onto the back of a band like PJ. I wouldn’t be buying any Ames Bros prints if it weren’t for PJ. So, in my mind, these artists are lucky to have PJ and us.
Again, I am anti flipper. However, I understand business models. And I understand the art world and collectibles. Artists are paid once for their work. If their work is in high demand and they create an amazing name for themselves (Klausen, EMEK, ect...) they get hired and commissioned for more work, by other bands, ect. There’s a benefit they receive that isn’t exactly a straight line from one particular poster being “flipped”. The benefit is their increased reputation.
I've tried to get some phish posters for years and its about impossible. anyone know where you can get
the curve ball festival print ? who was the artist ?
After the festival was cancelled, unsold merch was made available on-line (with ticketholders getting priority):
Announcement "Merchandise: The severe flooding in the region didn’t only affect us. It wreaked havoc across a 14 county area. We will be a launching a Curveball merchandise store very soon and donating the proceeds to flood relief and recovery. The store will include Curveball t-shirts, LE posters and other items (including the Nalgene water bottles intended for our CurveWater program). Curveball ticket holders will have first access to the store once live."
Artists were Jim Pollock, Kathleen Neeley, YourCinema.
The "price that the flipper collects" should go to the artists that create posters and to the bands, and now it doesn't.
Although I am anti-flipper, I disagree with this statement.
The artist knows now how much they’ll earn for a poster they create. It’s one of the safest business models I’ve ever seen. They are commissioned to make a certain number of posters. They are guaranteed X%. They agree to that. And the posters usually sell out.
For instance, Leonardo da Vinci was paid for painting the Mona Lisa. The value of the painting increased. He didn’t see any additional commissions on the Mona Lisa after selling it the first time.
A vineyard releases a wonderful Pinot Noir. They are paid for it. As it ages, the value goes up while sitting in a wine shop. The seller increases the price. The vineyard isn’t entitled to those additional proceeds.
I have a Mark McGuire rookie baseball card. I paid a few cents for it originally. Now it’s worth $10. Topps baseball card corporation already agreed to sell the card originally for a certain profit margin. Topps Corp isn’t entitled to anything for it today.
The point is, artists agree to, and are paid for the job. They also get access to thousands of buyers (us) by piggy backing onto the back of a band like PJ. I wouldn’t be buying any Ames Bros prints if it weren’t for PJ. So, in my mind, these artists are lucky to have PJ and us.
Again, I am anti flipper. However, I understand business models. And I understand the art world and collectibles. Artists are paid once for their work. If their work is in high demand and they create an amazing name for themselves (Klausen, EMEK, ect...) they get hired and commissioned for more work, by other bands, ect. There’s a benefit they receive that isn’t exactly a straight line from one particular poster being “flipped”. The benefit is their increased reputation.
I meant to include some of this line of thought in my posts as well, I agree! After that initial sale, it's no longer about money that the artist should have or could have collected anymore.
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The "price that the flipper collects" should go to the artists that create posters and to the bands, and now it doesn't.
Although I am anti-flipper, I disagree with this statement.
The artist knows now how much they’ll earn for a poster they create. It’s one of the safest business models I’ve ever seen. They are commissioned to make a certain number of posters. They are guaranteed X%. They agree to that. And the posters usually sell out.
For instance, Leonardo da Vinci was paid for painting the Mona Lisa. The value of the painting increased. He didn’t see any additional commissions on the Mona Lisa after selling it the first time.
A vineyard releases a wonderful Pinot Noir. They are paid for it. As it ages, the value goes up while sitting in a wine shop. The seller increases the price. The vineyard isn’t entitled to those additional proceeds.
I have a Mark McGuire rookie baseball card. I paid a few cents for it originally. Now it’s worth $10. Topps baseball card corporation already agreed to sell the card originally for a certain profit margin. Topps Corp isn’t entitled to anything for it today.
The point is, artists agree to, and are paid for the job. They also get access to thousands of buyers (us) by piggy backing onto the back of a band like PJ. I wouldn’t be buying any Ames Bros prints if it weren’t for PJ. So, in my mind, these artists are lucky to have PJ and us.
Again, I am anti flipper. However, I understand business models. And I understand the art world and collectibles. Artists are paid once for their work. If their work is in high demand and they create an amazing name for themselves (Klausen, EMEK, ect...) they get hired and commissioned for more work, by other bands, ect. There’s a benefit they receive that isn’t exactly a straight line from one particular poster being “flipped”. The benefit is their increased reputation.
Something that all of these companies/artists do is have "attic stock" or archives. Someone like Sperry, Spusta, Welker or Emek only release part of their runs because they know they will make a ton later down the line. They aren't dumb.
The "price that the flipper collects" should go to the artists that create posters and to the bands, and now it doesn't.
Although I am anti-flipper, I disagree with this statement.
The artist knows now how much they’ll earn for a poster they create. It’s one of the safest business models I’ve ever seen. They are commissioned to make a certain number of posters. They are guaranteed X%. They agree to that. And the posters usually sell out.
For instance, Leonardo da Vinci was paid for painting the Mona Lisa. The value of the painting increased. He didn’t see any additional commissions on the Mona Lisa after selling it the first time.
A vineyard releases a wonderful Pinot Noir. They are paid for it. As it ages, the value goes up while sitting in a wine shop. The seller increases the price. The vineyard isn’t entitled to those additional proceeds.
I have a Mark McGuire rookie baseball card. I paid a few cents for it originally. Now it’s worth $10. Topps baseball card corporation already agreed to sell the card originally for a certain profit margin. Topps Corp isn’t entitled to anything for it today.
The point is, artists agree to, and are paid for the job. They also get access to thousands of buyers (us) by piggy backing onto the back of a band like PJ. I wouldn’t be buying any Ames Bros prints if it weren’t for PJ. So, in my mind, these artists are lucky to have PJ and us.
Again, I am anti flipper. However, I understand business models. And I understand the art world and collectibles. Artists are paid once for their work. If their work is in high demand and they create an amazing name for themselves (Klausen, EMEK, ect...) they get hired and commissioned for more work, by other bands, ect. There’s a benefit they receive that isn’t exactly a straight line from one particular poster being “flipped”. The benefit is their increased reputation.
Something that all of these companies/artists do is have "attic stock" or archives. Someone like Sperry, Spusta, Welker or Emek only release part of their runs because they know they will make a ton later down the line. They aren't dumb.
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http://expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/265619
If you go back to Post #1
Santos always edits it once the poster is sold out and he sometimes will mention if there is another drop coming that day or the next.
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This is what I'm used to seeing and smaller
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The artist knows now how much they’ll earn for a poster they create. It’s one of the safest business models I’ve ever seen.
They are commissioned to make a certain number of posters. They are guaranteed X%. They agree to that. And the posters usually sell out.
For instance, Leonardo da Vinci was paid for painting the Mona Lisa. The value of the painting increased. He didn’t see any additional commissions on the Mona Lisa after selling it the first time.
A vineyard releases a wonderful Pinot Noir. They are paid for it. As it ages, the value goes up while sitting in a wine shop. The seller increases the price. The vineyard isn’t entitled to those additional proceeds.
I have a Mark McGuire rookie baseball card. I paid a few cents for it originally. Now it’s worth $10. Topps baseball card corporation already agreed to sell the card originally for a certain profit margin. Topps Corp isn’t entitled to anything for it today.
The point is, artists agree to, and are paid for the job. They also get access to thousands of buyers (us) by piggy backing onto the back of a band like PJ. I wouldn’t be buying any Ames Bros prints if it weren’t for PJ. So, in my mind, these artists are lucky to have PJ and us.
Again, I am anti flipper. However, I understand business models. And I understand the art world and collectibles. Artists are paid once for their work. If their work is in high demand and they create an amazing name for themselves (Klausen, EMEK, ect...) they get hired and commissioned for more work, by other bands, ect. There’s a benefit they receive that isn’t exactly a straight line from one particular poster being “flipped”. The benefit is their increased reputation.
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Announcement
"Merchandise: The severe flooding in the region didn’t only affect us. It wreaked havoc across a 14 county area. We will be a launching a Curveball merchandise store very soon and donating the proceeds to flood relief and recovery. The store will include Curveball t-shirts, LE posters and other items (including the Nalgene water bottles intended for our CurveWater program). Curveball ticket holders will have first access to the store once live."
Artists were Jim Pollock, Kathleen Neeley, YourCinema.
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