Police abuse

rgambs said:

Yeah, very curious to see this one play out, it will be interesting to have the full story.

Still not the full story, but a few more details of Guyger's story, which don't exactly make sense.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-botham-jean-shooting_us_5b96daf8e4b0cf7b0042b550

She claims she shot after Jean ignored her "verbal commands", which sounds like she saw herself in a police role at that time, despite the fact that she had no grounds to give verbal commands.

She also says she shot before turning the lights on, thus explaining why she didn't realize that she was in the wrong apartment. Why would she shoot without even knowing who or what she was shooting at?

oftenreading said:

rgambs said:

Yeah, very curious to see this one play out, it will be interesting to have the full story.

Still not the full story, but a few more details of Guyger's story, which don't exactly make sense.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-botham-jean-shooting_us_5b96daf8e4b0cf7b0042b550

She claims she shot after Jean ignored her "verbal commands", which sounds like she saw herself in a police role at that time, despite the fact that she had no grounds to give verbal commands.

She also says she shot before turning the lights on, thus explaining why she didn't realize that she was in the wrong apartment. Why would she shoot without even knowing who or what she was shooting at?

My first thought was that this is the kind of thing they teach at conceal carry classes.  There are always helpful tips on how to get away with murder, giving clear warnings and commands supports a self-defence claim.

23scidoo said:

On the other hand..

https://www.facebook.com/moysikes.afieroseis/videos/901595386691592/

Geezuz

oftenreading said:

Fox and law enforcement attempt to smear Botham Jean by reporting that there was a (very small) amount of marijuana found in his apartment.

And this is relevant to the fact that he was wrongfully shot in his own home by police exactly how?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

I don't see that as a smear campaign. Its the facts of the case, a lot of sources who covered this story have said that.

I actually have heard very little on this case, so I went searching for articles. I didnt see anything by anyone that would suggest he was a thug or anything near that (something I would expect if they were trying to destroy his character). Fox even reported that the cop's family may have ties to racist groups. So I just don't see this being a smear thing, just reporting.

I did find something out that I have suspected all along. She just came off a double shift. I'll repeat again that I think the cop is compeltely in the wrong and should be charged with a crime. But the circumstances point away from anything intentional. She had been living there a month, parked on the 3rd floor instead of the 4th, walked to where her apartment would be (one floor above). There are mixed reports there, but some include that the door was unlocked when she tried to use her key. So its compeltely fathomable this was a terrible mistake. A terrible mistake that should never have happened, and should result in negligent manslaughter, but a terrible mistake without any ill intentions.
I bring up the double shift because that is very common. It seems very stupid to me to expect people who carry guns and are put into harm's way, expected to make split-second life or death decisions, all while working 16 hours straight. And it happens all the time in some departments. There's lots of studies to show sleepy drivers can be worse than drunk drivers, why would we want our police to function at a level lower than a drunk?
Should be 8 hour shifts with a max of 2 hours over time for anyone working the streets.
This probably would have been avoided if that were the case.

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

Fox and law enforcement attempt to smear Botham Jean by reporting that there was a (very small) amount of marijuana found in his apartment.

And this is relevant to the fact that he was wrongfully shot in his own home by police exactly how?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

I don't see that as a smear campaign. Its the facts of the case, a lot of sources who covered this story have said that.

I actually have heard very little on this case, so I went searching for articles. I didnt see anything by anyone that would suggest he was a thug or anything near that (something I would expect if they were trying to destroy his character). Fox even reported that the cop's family may have ties to racist groups. So I just don't see this being a smear thing, just reporting.

I did find something out that I have suspected all along. She just came off a double shift. I'll repeat again that I think the cop is compeltely in the wrong and should be charged with a crime. But the circumstances point away from anything intentional. She had been living there a month, parked on the 3rd floor instead of the 4th, walked to where her apartment would be (one floor above). There are mixed reports there, but some include that the door was unlocked when she tried to use her key. So its compeltely fathomable this was a terrible mistake. A terrible mistake that should never have happened, and should result in negligent manslaughter, but a terrible mistake without any ill intentions.
I bring up the double shift because that is very common. It seems very stupid to me to expect people who carry guns and are put into harm's way, expected to make split-second life or death decisions, all while working 16 hours straight. And it happens all the time in some departments. There's lots of studies to show sleepy drivers can be worse than drunk drivers, why would we want our police to function at a level lower than a drunk?
Should be 8 hour shifts with a max of 2 hours over time for anyone working the streets.
This probably would have been avoided if that were the case.

Interesting how we have the facts of the case that make him look bad, but we haventh heard anything about her blood test results or anything about the warrant to search her home and what was found.

Also, 2 things have been demonstrated by the victim's lawyer that Fox doesn't seem to want to report... He had a bright red rug in front of his door.  Practically battery operated, so bright.  The doors of the complex are on pneumatic hinges...they close automatically like hotel doors.  Now, I haven't seen video proving that, but that would be a huge lie from the attorney and I don't see why he would take that risk in making that up.
If true, that destroys her well-crafted story of a door ajar that opened under the force of her unique key card.

Police should absolutely not be working beyond 12 hours a day and probably not more than two 12s in a row ever, that's a no-brainer for their own safety.

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

Fox and law enforcement attempt to smear Botham Jean by reporting that there was a (very small) amount of marijuana found in his apartment.

And this is relevant to the fact that he was wrongfully shot in his own home by police exactly how?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

I don't see that as a smear campaign. Its the facts of the case, a lot of sources who covered this story have said that.

I actually have heard very little on this case, so I went searching for articles. I didnt see anything by anyone that would suggest he was a thug or anything near that (something I would expect if they were trying to destroy his character). Fox even reported that the cop's family may have ties to racist groups. So I just don't see this being a smear thing, just reporting.

I did find something out that I have suspected all along. She just came off a double shift. I'll repeat again that I think the cop is compeltely in the wrong and should be charged with a crime. But the circumstances point away from anything intentional. She had been living there a month, parked on the 3rd floor instead of the 4th, walked to where her apartment would be (one floor above). There are mixed reports there, but some include that the door was unlocked when she tried to use her key. So its compeltely fathomable this was a terrible mistake. A terrible mistake that should never have happened, and should result in negligent manslaughter, but a terrible mistake without any ill intentions.
I bring up the double shift because that is very common. It seems very stupid to me to expect people who carry guns and are put into harm's way, expected to make split-second life or death decisions, all while working 16 hours straight. And it happens all the time in some departments. There's lots of studies to show sleepy drivers can be worse than drunk drivers, why would we want our police to function at a level lower than a drunk?
Should be 8 hour shifts with a max of 2 hours over time for anyone working the streets.
This probably would have been avoided if that were the case.

Interesting how we have the facts of the case that make him look bad, but we haventh heard anything about her blood test results or anything about the warrant to search her home and what was found.

Also, 2 things have been demonstrated by the victim's lawyer that Fox doesn't seem to want to report... He had a bright red rug in front of his door.  Practically battery operated, so bright.  The doors of the complex are on pneumatic hinges...they close automatically like hotel doors.  Now, I haven't seen video proving that, but that would be a huge lie from the attorney and I don't see why he would take that risk in making that up.
If true, that destroys her well-crafted story of a door ajar that opened under the force of her unique key card.

Police should absolutely not be working beyond 12 hours a day and probably not more than two 12s in a row ever, that's a no-brainer for their own safety.

One of my points was I’ve seen just as much negative stuff about her as I have from him. Fox had an article suggesting her family is racist.
so I just don’t see anything to support an attempt to “make him look bad.”
Whats so curious about the warrant? Someone was shot dead there, of course they are going to search the area.
I think the cop was wrong and should be prosecuted. I’m not defending any of that. It actually seems like a small story, heard very little about it, but what I do see I haven’t seen any media defend the cop or what I consider smearing the victim. Saying they found weed is irrelevant, yes, but I don’t see that as smearing anyone. May as well report his car was yellow, who cares?

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

Fox and law enforcement attempt to smear Botham Jean by reporting that there was a (very small) amount of marijuana found in his apartment.

And this is relevant to the fact that he was wrongfully shot in his own home by police exactly how?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

I don't see that as a smear campaign. Its the facts of the case, a lot of sources who covered this story have said that.

I actually have heard very little on this case, so I went searching for articles. I didnt see anything by anyone that would suggest he was a thug or anything near that (something I would expect if they were trying to destroy his character). Fox even reported that the cop's family may have ties to racist groups. So I just don't see this being a smear thing, just reporting.

I did find something out that I have suspected all along. She just came off a double shift. I'll repeat again that I think the cop is compeltely in the wrong and should be charged with a crime. But the circumstances point away from anything intentional. She had been living there a month, parked on the 3rd floor instead of the 4th, walked to where her apartment would be (one floor above). There are mixed reports there, but some include that the door was unlocked when she tried to use her key. So its compeltely fathomable this was a terrible mistake. A terrible mistake that should never have happened, and should result in negligent manslaughter, but a terrible mistake without any ill intentions.
I bring up the double shift because that is very common. It seems very stupid to me to expect people who carry guns and are put into harm's way, expected to make split-second life or death decisions, all while working 16 hours straight. And it happens all the time in some departments. There's lots of studies to show sleepy drivers can be worse than drunk drivers, why would we want our police to function at a level lower than a drunk?
Should be 8 hour shifts with a max of 2 hours over time for anyone working the streets.
This probably would have been avoided if that were the case.

Interesting how we have the facts of the case that make him look bad, but we haventh heard anything about her blood test results or anything about the warrant to search her home and what was found.

Also, 2 things have been demonstrated by the victim's lawyer that Fox doesn't seem to want to report... He had a bright red rug in front of his door.  Practically battery operated, so bright.  The doors of the complex are on pneumatic hinges...they close automatically like hotel doors.  Now, I haven't seen video proving that, but that would be a huge lie from the attorney and I don't see why he would take that risk in making that up.
If true, that destroys her well-crafted story of a door ajar that opened under the force of her unique key card.

Police should absolutely not be working beyond 12 hours a day and probably not more than two 12s in a row ever, that's a no-brainer for their own safety.

One of my points was I’ve seen just as much negative stuff about her as I have from him. Fox had an article suggesting her family is racist.
so I just don’t see anything to support an attempt to “make him look bad.”
Whats so curious about the warrant? Someone was shot dead there, of course they are going to search the area.
I think the cop was wrong and should be prosecuted. I’m not defending any of that. It actually seems like a small story, heard very little about it, but what I do see I haven’t seen any media defend the cop or what I consider smearing the victim. Saying they found weed is irrelevant, yes, but I don’t see that as smearing anyone. May as well report his car was yellow, who cares?

Yellow cars are legal, pot is not. Both are irrelevant; thus, reporting one and not the other is an attempt to paint the victim in the worst possible light. The fact that they can’t find more points to how squeaky clean he was, not that they haven’t tried. 

I look forward to the time when a black cop walks into a white guys apartment and shoots him dead and “it’s a small story,” insignificant, explained away as a lack of sleep, or doors that were left open, maybe he smoked a little pot? And the cop walks free.