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mrussel1 said:
I believe in the old people management adage of "calling out the behavior". Don't ignore it to pretend it isn't an issue. People should be called out for the things they do. Feeding them, to me, means engaging in the argument to give it credibility.Bentleyspop said:
Your post is helping to fill that void as is this one.benjs said:
Someone should study trolls, to discover what gaping voids in their worthless lives they're trying to fill by aggravating strangers on the internet. What a hobby.mrussel1 said:
Ha ha, aren't you clever by parlaying the racist comment for Desantis into this thread. It's comforting to know that one can be a racist AND a comedian. The world's wonders will never cease.JC29856 said:More monkey business from Donna Brazile!
Super delegates and the "gatekeeper" Tom Perez.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-democrats-courting-chaos-in-2020-by-limiting-the-power-of-superdelegates/
So why do people feed the trolls?
Good on you, I suppose, but with specific posters I don't see the point in even "calling out". They know their posts are bafflegab bullshit and are just playing with people, which is different than people who seem to genuinely hold opinions that I disagree with. There's a small number of posters on here that I don't even read any more, ever.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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I'm noticing a pattern, anyone else?
Any doubt Harris Booker run against Trump?
Having lost 1,000 seats and every branch of government except the deep state appointments, grandstanding is all the Dems can do. Its free advertising.
Did someone mention desperation?0 -
Drop drop dropping ‘em down, oh so slowly, indictments on the way.JC29856 said:I'm noticing a pattern, anyone else?
Any doubt Harris Booker run against Trump?
Having lost 1,000 seats and every branch of government except the deep state appointments, grandstanding is all the Dems can do. Its free advertising.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Drop drop dropping ‘em down, oh so slowly, indictments on the way.JC29856 said:I'm noticing a pattern, anyone else?
Any doubt Harris Booker run against Trump?
Having lost 1,000 seats and every branch of government except the deep state appointments, grandstanding is all the Dems can do. Its free advertising.
Did someone mention desperation?GOP-Cory Booker spoke for 75% of his 30-minute questioning period-Booker interrupted Judge Kavanaugh 23 times in 30 minutes-Kamala Harris interrupted him 27 times in 30 minutesLooks like their 2020 campaigns have already begun.
It can be true and also racist and sexist.
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Bring itJC29856 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Drop drop dropping ‘em down, oh so slowly, indictments on the way.JC29856 said:I'm noticing a pattern, anyone else?
Any doubt Harris Booker run against Trump?
Having lost 1,000 seats and every branch of government except the deep state appointments, grandstanding is all the Dems can do. Its free advertising.
Did someone mention desperation?GOP-Cory Booker spoke for 75% of his 30-minute questioning period-Booker interrupted Judge Kavanaugh 23 times in 30 minutes-Kamala Harris interrupted him 27 times in 30 minutesLooks like their 2020 campaigns have already begun.
It can be true and also racist and sexist.
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#nowayjoseHalifax2TheMax said:JC29856 said:
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I don't think I'm ignoring anything. With the current government structure in the US government, within the context of the federal republic, the democratic-ness of the system is defined by how much gatekeeping is done by the parties. As the gatekeeping functions of the parties are reduced (and please don't make it sound like ignoring progressive voices to assure a singular voice is an exclusively DNC affair), the democratic impact is heightened, and vice-versa.JC29856 said:
Aren't you ignoring the point that the Democratic party leadership is shutting out progressive voices? Or do you think it is just coincidental that the progressives are rarely if ever backed (I posted a few examples, see Ironstache vs Myers, the guardian did an entire piece).benjs said:
In determining candidates, if I had to choose between a self-serving select few and the largely uneducated and/or ignorant population - I don't know which is less bad. Why do you feel the population is the lesser of two evils?JC29856 said:should I make my predictions on the responses from the Hill-bot email list'ers?
For now Ill quote the democratic leader Pelosi:
“I don’t know that a person can tape a person without the person’s consent and then release it to the press,” Pelosi told reporters today. “In terms of candidates and campaigns I don’t see anything inappropriate in what Mr. Hoyer was engaged in — a conversation about the realities of life in the race as to who can make the general election.”
Here is the Democrats strategy to WINNING (worked so well over the past 10 years or so!)
We're openly and admitting to rigging the "democratic primaries" (against progressives) because that's the best chance for "us" to "win". wait what?
The proof and the reason why democratic voters should "trust their process"? 1000 SEATS AND HILLIARY CLINTON!
Now I see why Hilliary email list is worth so much money! I should try to buy some or all of that list, I too have a few things to sell them
I don't feel the population is the lesser of two evils, what make you assume that?
If you want a "system" whereby the primary candidates are chosen by a select few, for example a board, then describe how it would work and we can discuss it. I'm addressing the current system in place, whereby candidates run in a primary and the winner as determined by the voters runs against the "opposing" party(s) in the general.
If voters are too uneducated and ignorant for a thriving democracy, then have the Democratic party become a public company, that way shareholders have their say and the board of directors can choose the primary candidate (on behalf of their shareholders).
This will do away with the charade of holding "democratic" primary elections and better yet save money on the primary elections while raising capital (publicly traded) for the party.
The "Board of Directors" model you're referring to effectively is the DNC with its superdelegates (arguably your biggest problem with the system), so I'm not sure why you think that'd be preferable.
On the other side of the coin, the absence of the "Board of Directors" model is closer to the GOP with their lack of superdelegates.
Model A produced Hillary Clinton as a candidate. Model B produced Donald Trump as a candidate.
I'm not sure how anyone would read your lines and your disproportionate criticism of the DNC and its members, when compared to your hard-to-find GOP criticism, and disagree with my conclusion that you feel that the population is the lesser of two evils.
In my opinion, all roads lead to destruction.
I just got home to the greatest greeting ever.... 49 pit-bulls(mixed) and 12 adoptees, my flesh and blood to which I literally delivered never bother to wake!
I'm unloved!
anyway , its likey i wont respond but i do respect and await your response... we have things to do ,.... onward (Not sure how or why it italicized?)
Care to respond to your challenge met? Nah, 3D, D'ing, Bernie bro still butt hurt feeling the bern, wondering how or if it'll ever stop. Pull yourself up by the bern strapps, can't you?0 -
For all those who are wringing your hands wondering who’s going to beat Team Trump Treason, I’d fathom that if the election were held today, any one of these candidates would beat him. You’ll see the field shift, narrow and coalesce around one of these or maybe someone we haven’t thought of yet. See the field after the mid terms and especially after the Dems regain Congress.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/2020-democrats-ranking/index.html
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Halifax2TheMax said:For all those who are wringing your hands wondering who’s going to beat Team Trump Treason, I’d fathom that if the election were held today, any one of these candidates would beat him. You’ll see the field shift, narrow and coalesce around one of these or maybe someone we haven’t thought of yet. See the field after the mid terms and especially after the Dems regain Congress.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/2020-democrats-ranking/index.html
If the Dems take the House, and according to polls they are up by more than the gerrymander margin of five points needed to win, this will be interesting because...
The Rs never had to deal with an aggressive majority, since Nixon at least
Obama not investigating torture and WMD lies may have been the biggest reason R's were able to recover so quickly with the voters.
It's time to put that entire republican list on trial"President Trump’s tax returns
Trump family businesses — and whether they comply with the Constitution's emoluments clause, including the Chinese trademark grant to the Trump Organization
Trump's dealings with Russia, including the president's preparation for his meeting with Vladimir Putin
The payment to Stephanie Clifford — a.k.a. Stormy Daniels
James Comey's firing
Trump's firing of U.S. attorneys
Trump's proposed transgender ban for the military
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin's business dealings
White House staff's personal email use
Cabinet secretary travel, office expenses, and other misused perks
Discussion of classified information at Mar-a-Lago
Jared Kushner's ethics law compliance
Dismissal of members of the EPA board of scientific counselors
The travel ban
Family separation policy
Hurricane response in Puerto Rico
Election security and hacking attempts
White House security clearances
The spreadsheet includes requests for administration officials to be grilled by committee staff, requests for hearings to obtain sworn testimony, efforts to seize communications about controversial policies and personnel decisions, and subpoena threats.
These demands would turn the Trump White House into a 24/7 legal defense operation.
The bottom line: Thanks to their control of Congress, Republicans have blocked most of the Democrats’ investigative requests. But if the House flips, the GOP loses its power to stymie. Lawyers close to the White House tell me the Trump administration is nowhere near prepared for the investigatory onslaught that awaits them, and they consider it among the greatest threats to his presidency."
H/t Axios
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And people think it’s because Hillary lost.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:For all those who are wringing your hands wondering who’s going to beat Team Trump Treason, I’d fathom that if the election were held today, any one of these candidates would beat him. You’ll see the field shift, narrow and coalesce around one of these or maybe someone we haven’t thought of yet. See the field after the mid terms and especially after the Dems regain Congress.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/2020-democrats-ranking/index.html
If the Dems take the House, and according to polls they are up by more than the gerrymander margin of five points needed to win, this will be interesting because...
The Rs never had to deal with an aggressive majority, since Nixon at least
Obama not investigating torture and WMD lies may have been the biggest reason R's were able to recover so quickly with the voters.
It's time to put that entire republican list on trial"President Trump’s tax returns
Trump family businesses — and whether they comply with the Constitution's emoluments clause, including the Chinese trademark grant to the Trump Organization
Trump's dealings with Russia, including the president's preparation for his meeting with Vladimir Putin
The payment to Stephanie Clifford — a.k.a. Stormy Daniels
James Comey's firing
Trump's firing of U.S. attorneys
Trump's proposed transgender ban for the military
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin's business dealings
White House staff's personal email use
Cabinet secretary travel, office expenses, and other misused perks
Discussion of classified information at Mar-a-Lago
Jared Kushner's ethics law compliance
Dismissal of members of the EPA board of scientific counselors
The travel ban
Family separation policy
Hurricane response in Puerto Rico
Election security and hacking attempts
White House security clearances
The spreadsheet includes requests for administration officials to be grilled by committee staff, requests for hearings to obtain sworn testimony, efforts to seize communications about controversial policies and personnel decisions, and subpoena threats.
These demands would turn the Trump White House into a 24/7 legal defense operation.
The bottom line: Thanks to their control of Congress, Republicans have blocked most of the Democrats’ investigative requests. But if the House flips, the GOP loses its power to stymie. Lawyers close to the White House tell me the Trump administration is nowhere near prepared for the investigatory onslaught that awaits them, and they consider it among the greatest threats to his presidency."
H/t Axios
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just reading CNN's democratic "power rankings" and they list Elizabeth Warren as #1 (this week) as the leader in facing Trump in 2020. I think that would be a mistake. the average public will see her as just another Hillary. They need someone who seems dynamic and passionate, not just old and angry.
Not sure about Booker (his grandstanding seemed a bit disingenuous given what we know). But I like Kamala Harris. Could be too soon for her though.
But "Pocahontas" vs "The Orange Blob" might be interesting to watch.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Yeah from my point of view (which tends to lean right if center overall but left if center socially)....I haven’t seen what I want from the Democratic Party. I’m concerned (like Jimmy Carter stated recently) that the Dems are running too far left.HughFreakingDillon said:just reading CNN's democratic "power rankings" and they list Elizabeth Warren as #1 (this week) as the leader in facing Trump in 2020. I think that would be a mistake. the average public will see her as just another Hillary. They need someone who seems dynamic and passionate, not just old and angry.
Not sure about Booker (his grandstanding seemed a bit disingenuous given what we know). But I like Kamala Harris. Could be too soon for her though.
But "Pocahontas" vs "The Orange Blob" might be interesting to watch.
Lots of time for someone to emerge. And it doesn’t matter much to me for this election as I will have to vote against trump anyhow. But I’m hoping to have a candidate that is a little closer to my viewpoints then I currently see.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Agree to a point, for the material things. The Democrats have to prove they can govern, first and foremost. Turning the house into a daily trial might lead to re-election. Ask William Jefferson and Newt about that. Now I'm not saying that Clinton's offense is the same as Trump's, but it will turn the moderates off. The main objective is to win the WH, not impeach the President. The chances of getting 2/3 in the Senate is low.Halifax2TheMax said:
And people think it’s because Hillary lost.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:For all those who are wringing your hands wondering who’s going to beat Team Trump Treason, I’d fathom that if the election were held today, any one of these candidates would beat him. You’ll see the field shift, narrow and coalesce around one of these or maybe someone we haven’t thought of yet. See the field after the mid terms and especially after the Dems regain Congress.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/2020-democrats-ranking/index.html
If the Dems take the House, and according to polls they are up by more than the gerrymander margin of five points needed to win, this will be interesting because...
The Rs never had to deal with an aggressive majority, since Nixon at least
Obama not investigating torture and WMD lies may have been the biggest reason R's were able to recover so quickly with the voters.
It's time to put that entire republican list on trial"President Trump’s tax returns
Trump family businesses — and whether they comply with the Constitution's emoluments clause, including the Chinese trademark grant to the Trump Organization
Trump's dealings with Russia, including the president's preparation for his meeting with Vladimir Putin
The payment to Stephanie Clifford — a.k.a. Stormy Daniels
James Comey's firing
Trump's firing of U.S. attorneys
Trump's proposed transgender ban for the military
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin's business dealings
White House staff's personal email use
Cabinet secretary travel, office expenses, and other misused perks
Discussion of classified information at Mar-a-Lago
Jared Kushner's ethics law compliance
Dismissal of members of the EPA board of scientific counselors
The travel ban
Family separation policy
Hurricane response in Puerto Rico
Election security and hacking attempts
White House security clearances
The spreadsheet includes requests for administration officials to be grilled by committee staff, requests for hearings to obtain sworn testimony, efforts to seize communications about controversial policies and personnel decisions, and subpoena threats.
These demands would turn the Trump White House into a 24/7 legal defense operation.
The bottom line: Thanks to their control of Congress, Republicans have blocked most of the Democrats’ investigative requests. But if the House flips, the GOP loses its power to stymie. Lawyers close to the White House tell me the Trump administration is nowhere near prepared for the investigatory onslaught that awaits them, and they consider it among the greatest threats to his presidency."
H/t Axios
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Yeah from my point of view (which tends to lean right if center overall but left if center socially)....I haven’t seen what I want from the Democratic Party. I’m concerned (like Jimmy Carter stated recently) that the Dems are running too far left.HughFreakingDillon said:just reading CNN's democratic "power rankings" and they list Elizabeth Warren as #1 (this week) as the leader in facing Trump in 2020. I think that would be a mistake. the average public will see her as just another Hillary. They need someone who seems dynamic and passionate, not just old and angry.
Not sure about Booker (his grandstanding seemed a bit disingenuous given what we know). But I like Kamala Harris. Could be too soon for her though.
But "Pocahontas" vs "The Orange Blob" might be interesting to watch.
Lots of time for someone to emerge. And it doesn’t matter much to me for this election as I will have to vote against trump anyhow. But I’m hoping to have a candidate that is a little closer to my viewpoints then I currently see.
The dems have tried for forever to run moderate center left candidates and it just has not worked. Especially in swing and slightly red states.0 -
Obama and Bill Clinton were center left. So were Kerry and Gore. The only example we have on the hard left goes back to 72 and that didn't go over so well.Lerxst1992 said:cincybearcat said:
Yeah from my point of view (which tends to lean right if center overall but left if center socially)....I haven’t seen what I want from the Democratic Party. I’m concerned (like Jimmy Carter stated recently) that the Dems are running too far left.HughFreakingDillon said:just reading CNN's democratic "power rankings" and they list Elizabeth Warren as #1 (this week) as the leader in facing Trump in 2020. I think that would be a mistake. the average public will see her as just another Hillary. They need someone who seems dynamic and passionate, not just old and angry.
Not sure about Booker (his grandstanding seemed a bit disingenuous given what we know). But I like Kamala Harris. Could be too soon for her though.
But "Pocahontas" vs "The Orange Blob" might be interesting to watch.
Lots of time for someone to emerge. And it doesn’t matter much to me for this election as I will have to vote against trump anyhow. But I’m hoping to have a candidate that is a little closer to my viewpoints then I currently see.
The dems have tried for forever to run moderate center left candidates and it just has not worked. Especially in swing and slightly red states.0 -
mrussel1 said:
Obama and Bill Clinton were center left. So were Kerry and Gore. The only example we have on the hard left goes back to 72 and that didn't go over so well.Lerxst1992 said:cincybearcat said:
Yeah from my point of view (which tends to lean right if center overall but left if center socially)....I haven’t seen what I want from the Democratic Party. I’m concerned (like Jimmy Carter stated recently) that the Dems are running too far left.HughFreakingDillon said:just reading CNN's democratic "power rankings" and they list Elizabeth Warren as #1 (this week) as the leader in facing Trump in 2020. I think that would be a mistake. the average public will see her as just another Hillary. They need someone who seems dynamic and passionate, not just old and angry.
Not sure about Booker (his grandstanding seemed a bit disingenuous given what we know). But I like Kamala Harris. Could be too soon for her though.
But "Pocahontas" vs "The Orange Blob" might be interesting to watch.
Lots of time for someone to emerge. And it doesn’t matter much to me for this election as I will have to vote against trump anyhow. But I’m hoping to have a candidate that is a little closer to my viewpoints then I currently see.
The dems have tried for forever to run moderate center left candidates and it just has not worked. Especially in swing and slightly red states.
Also in Senate and Congress. Moderates and center left.
If a president like Obama was called a socialist by the right wing propaganda machine the dems might as well run real progressives.
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1972 reminds me of 2016. Felonies committed by Rs to make the dem look like a dangerous radical.
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I think at the House level in particular, and the Senate a bit more broadly, candidates can run to reflect the views of their local constituencies. Once you get national, you should have to move to center (right or left). Trump was the anomaly there, but of course he lost the popular and only won the key swings by a small number of voters. I think the conventional wisdom still holds, but I'm also biased to that theory since I'm a moderate.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Obama and Bill Clinton were center left. So were Kerry and Gore. The only example we have on the hard left goes back to 72 and that didn't go over so well.Lerxst1992 said:cincybearcat said:
Yeah from my point of view (which tends to lean right if center overall but left if center socially)....I haven’t seen what I want from the Democratic Party. I’m concerned (like Jimmy Carter stated recently) that the Dems are running too far left.HughFreakingDillon said:just reading CNN's democratic "power rankings" and they list Elizabeth Warren as #1 (this week) as the leader in facing Trump in 2020. I think that would be a mistake. the average public will see her as just another Hillary. They need someone who seems dynamic and passionate, not just old and angry.
Not sure about Booker (his grandstanding seemed a bit disingenuous given what we know). But I like Kamala Harris. Could be too soon for her though.
But "Pocahontas" vs "The Orange Blob" might be interesting to watch.
Lots of time for someone to emerge. And it doesn’t matter much to me for this election as I will have to vote against trump anyhow. But I’m hoping to have a candidate that is a little closer to my viewpoints then I currently see.
The dems have tried for forever to run moderate center left candidates and it just has not worked. Especially in swing and slightly red states.
Also in Senate and Congress. Moderates and center left.
If a president like Obama was called a socialist by the right wing propaganda machine the dems might as well run real progressives.
Edit.
1972 reminds me of 2016. Felonies committed by Rs to make the dem look like a dangerous radical.
Funny how crimes work.
Regarding 72, remember that neither Agnew or Nixon were under siege by scandal at the time of the election. McGovern effectively consolidated the left wing vote to win the nomination. But I'm not sure he was every really in the race. He was also hurt badly by the revelation that his VP nomination underwent shock therapy. Eagleton ended having to resign the candidacy. I think there was still quite the anti-hippy hangover in the US0 -
Resurrecting this thread since the Harris thread got closed and really the focus should shift back to what the Dems are going to do to get the people to vote for them during midterms.
I think there are plenty of great options to be the next presidential nominee, if no shenanigans happen the next several years.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
There were some good candidates in 2020. Looking forward to see who gives it another go and who gets added to the mix for 2028.1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth0
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