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  • marcos said:
    Do people feel that covers are less effort or such by the band?  Probably not, I think with less & less shows each year people simply want more & more of the band's original stuff because we love their shit more than anybody else.  So this is actually complimentary.
    Spot on!

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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Not everyone has to enjoy a PJ show the same way. Some do not like covers as much as others do and 9 is a lot for these people obviously. Be respectful about it though and to be honest the two songs I am sad I missed were covers. Throw Your Hatred and Friends sounded awesome!
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,196
    mcgruff10 said:
    I would have loved hearing for the first time:  help,we’re gonna be friends, comfortably numb and i’ve Got a feeling!!
    long road into release....wow.  
    Awesome intro and awesome show.

    The entitlement is a little much around here right now. There were rarer songs I wanted to hear, but not hearing them never ruined my night one bit.

    They played for over over three hours. They more than earned the right to play some covers they wanted to have fun with.

    Fantastic show and so glad to be there.

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  • Foriginal Sin
    Foriginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,877
    Nope. 
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  • RobbyD462
    RobbyD462 Victoria BC Posts: 4,812
    Show was amazing a great start!
    All I can really say in response to these people is whaaaaa....
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  • jhager79
    jhager79 Woodstock Ontario Posts: 298
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  • thispureamericanriot
    thispureamericanriot California Posts: 514
    pdalowsky said:
    my2hands said:

    let me break this down a little and show why its bullshit.... first of all I only count 8 "covers", if you wan to get technical.... but I don't see it quite that way, anyway

    Throw Your Hatred Down - Although its technically a Neil song, this is not a cover as PJ was Neil's band for that album, I consider everything off of Mirrorball to be part of the Pearl Jam catalog. Some of you younger folks may not even realize PJ made an album with Uncle Neil, go pick it up, or stream it, or whatever you like to do, its a classic

    Help - Single verse and chorus, not even the full song. Its the Beatles, and an amazing song, and lead into a true PJ live rarity with Help, Help... so chill out lol

    Patriot - Sorry Little Steven, PJ owns this song now. Although technically it is, I don't consider this a cover (Much like Crazy Mary, which I don't consider a cover at this point. Do Grateful Dead fans consider Morning Dew a cover, I sure don't)

    Friends - They covered The White Stripes, for the first time ever, enough said.

    Again Today - A newer cover that they have mixed in and even have a studio version

    Comfortably Numb - They have done this quite a bit the past few years, and Mother a few years before that, so i understand if people are a little Pink Floyd'ed out, but I happen to think Comfortably Numb is one of the best covers they have ever done and its right in the wheelhouse of Eddie vocally and Mike with the solo, so I say keep it in in the rotation forever

    I've Got A Feeling - again, its the Beatles, and they did a studio version found on some versions of Ten. This has been in the catalog forever and when they play it, it doesn't really feel like a cover to me because of these things

    RITFW - I'm not sure you can ever make an Uncle Neil song your own, so i will say they are partial owners of this song and it has been a staple FOREVER, when they play it, it doesn't feel like a cover to me at all


    so yeah, this "too many covers" thing is overhyped BS in my opinion, keep them coming!!!


    BRAVO
    +1 This says it all. I wasn't at the show, however I've been to shows where covers are played. Perhaps it's not so much that the cover songs themselves are bad or unwanted. It's just that as a "superfan" you wanted to hear a different song in that slot. We need to get over ourselves or just don't go to the shows if it ruins your life. ;)
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,501
    mpedone said:
    my2hands said:
    They've been a band for approaching thirty years. You ever think they are sick of playing some of these songs? I don't give a damn what they play and I would LOVE to hear Again Today at Fenway.
    I can't imagine that they are sick of playing anything off Binaural, Riot Act, S/T

    I would love to hear more of those songs


    this is the only thing I would change with the band the past 5 years, they are over relying on the "hits" and songs written in 1998 or earlier (that was 20 years ago folks) and have seemed to move away from playing their catalog from 2000-present.... I think that is a mistake and eventually leads to being a full on nostalgia act, which I never want to see happen.


    I count 5 songs plus Wasted Reprise played last night written after 1998.... only 5 songs to represent the last 20 years of the PJ catalog... and to me, as a diehard that knows the full catalog, that sucks

    Mind Your Manners, Lightning Bolt, Help Help, Setting Forth, NAIS, Wasted Reprise



    This is as big a complaint for me as the amount of covers, if not bigger. The setlist formula, despite the variations from night to night has gotten stale. End the 1st encore w/ Porch, the 2nd w/ RVM, the show closer is usually pretty predictable, as are the show openers. Setlists are heavy on Ten & VS, with the usual tracks from Vitalogy & Yield thrown in there. Where the hell is the No Code love, never mind the aforementioned Riot Act / ST / Binaural songs? For as much as they do change out a lot of tracks from show to show, it's still very formulaic and predictable. They're kind of already at the nostalgia act level if you ask me.

    With the exception of Quebec in '16, I'm hard pressed to think of many other outlier setlists from the last 5 years. (I'm sure I'm wrong & there are some more, but they are few & far between)

    I like seeing the White Stripes cover in there, but the ones they've been playing for 20+ years could be put out to pasture. I'm sorry, RITFW is usually my cue to beat the crowd, it always feels very uninspired to me.

    There aren't many live acts that can hold a candle to PJ, I'll be the first to say that. Still though, the formula is a bit stale in the last few years.

    From the Lightning Bolt tour - when they begun with the "two slow songs to start the show off" I think the structure has become to predictable. 

    Have they started with a fast song since then?
    Tampa 2016. They opened with Why Go.
    Same in Hampton.
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,086
    CopperTom said:
    It's terrible.  It's pathetic.  9 covers.  3 songs from Riot Act, Binaural, Avacado, Backspacer and No Code combined.  When I go to a PJ concert, I want to hear PJ songs. Awful.
    Stay at home.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,726
    mcgruff10 said:
    I would have loved hearing for the first time:  help,we’re gonna be friends, comfortably numb and i’ve Got a feeling!!
    long road into release....wow.  
    Awesome intro and awesome show.

    The entitlement is a little much around here right now. There were rarer songs I wanted to hear, but not hearing them never ruined my night one bit.

    They played for over over three hours. They more than earned the right to play some covers they wanted to have fun with.

    Fantastic show and so glad to be there.

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  • Micheyb21
    Micheyb21 UK Posts: 346
    I get everyone is entitled to their opinion but cmon it was their first home gig in 5 years and I would have killed to have experienced that alone regardless of what was on the set.  I just continue to be happy that they continue to tour and obviously still enjoy it. I personally love hearing covers and the bands take on them. The Help intro this year was amazing and I loved I wont back down in London was a very special moment. I never got to see these original artists perform live and the fact I get to hear our amazing guys play it makes me so happy. We are so blessed that we get such mixed sets every time and it is evident at each show the band love to chance of playing covers of bands and artists that they admire and respect and that in turn makes me very happy. Keep em coming in my opinion 
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  • sherm
    sherm Seattle, Wa Posts: 708
    Um, I still had a good time, how about you?
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  • Eddieredder
    Eddieredder Posts: 753
    edited August 2018
    11 covers. You forgot Save it for Later and Little Wing.  ;) 
  • boyo79
    boyo79 Warrington, UK Posts: 6,525
    Could have been worse.  They could have played 9 covers AND Sleeping By Myself.
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  • PeArLgOoNeR
    PeArLgOoNeR Posts: 1,250
    After Europe, I thought they had pulled back on the covers.. I did Prague and Krakow and they only did 2 covers each night.. 
    Not that I mind covers.. But the post Yield albums should generally be played more IMO..

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  • PJNB
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    boyo79 said:
    Could have been worse.  They could have played 9 covers AND Sleeping By Myself.
    Lol. Hoping it gets missed tomorrow night too. Does not fit the stadium atmosphere imo. Only really enjoy it at his solo shows. 
  • JP218404
    JP218404 NJ Posts: 1,412
    Personally, would like less covers. if not less, then a couple new ones would be great.  in the end, we all get to see an amazing band do what they do best.  different sets every night is what gets us all going every time!  be happy you're in the building and live in the moment.  oh and take a piss during even flow ;)
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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,326
    Was wondering what other things people will find to complain.. There u have it. 
    I don't see it as complaining. I see it as one's opinion of the set list/show. Everyone has a different experience at a show and express it accordingly. Its Art, and people have different interpretations. 
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,326
    wall232 said:
    There's always going to be those that complain about the complainers. Ironic. 

    9 covers is a bit much, let's say 4 of those could have been rare PJ songs that we would all love to hear. It's a valid point, but the awful and pathetic comments are a bit much though. 
    Yeah, how about this one that was posted in another thread, when some gave their OWN experience of the show/set list:

    i've never posted here, but felt i had to, cause y'all some spoiled ass mother fuckers.   nit picking that the show was no good because you didn't hear a song you've never heard before.   when you are actually at a show, and better man comes on, it's awesome.   the crowd loves it.  the energy is great.   looking at it on paper, you breeze past it.  but who gives a shit about the setlist.   just enjoy the show for what you get, not complaining about what you didn't 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited August 2018
    cutz said:
    Was wondering what other things people will find to complain.. There u have it. 
    I don't see it as complaining. I see it as one's opinion of the set list/show. Everyone has a different experience at a show and express it accordingly. Its Art, and people have different interpretations. 
    I totally agree. I don't understand why some people are so rude about others expressing their own feelings about something. Fans aren't obligated to only have the warm fuzzies. While I wouldn't have had a problem with this setlist personally (even though I would still really like to know why PJ is ignoring such a massive chunk of their catalogue), I don't see why people are irritated by those who simply think it should have been better in their opinion. Is this some feeling of defensiveness on behalf of the band? I don't really think the band needs anyone sticking up for them like that. The fans are going to have different perspectives about shows and setlists. I think it's kind of mean and rude to insult these people for having their own reaction to a setlist. Calling them entitled is totally inappropriate IMO. Save that title for folks who actually deserve it, like fans who scam and bully their way through GA lines.
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