Standing up in seated sections....

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  • jmug23
    jmug23 Posts: 778
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    I agree. No one cares if you sit all night and people should respect that. However, if you sit, you certainly can’t expect the people in front of you to be sitting, at least not at a PJ show. Other bands yes, not PJ. 
  • ryph raph
    ryph raph Posts: 887
    edited July 2018
      I smoke so much kush  [ those who stood on either side of me on the floor in Hampton & Wrigley II/2016 will attest to this ]  while standing at numerous P.J. shows that if I was to sit down I might not get back up.
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  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    Poncier said:
    This has happened a few times to me lately. My response is always the same... this is a rock show, if u want to sit down go home and watch it on youtube. 


    Has happened to me twice over the years.

    Once at a Paul McCartney show, and once at a Van Halen show. Who the F sits during Van Halen?

    When asked to sit my response was "are you shitting me?"

    I, too, was asked to sit during a Paul McCartney show... by an usher.

    Usher: Can you please sit? The people behind you can't see.
    Me: I don't care. This is a fucking rock n roll show! This is Paul fucking McCartney!
    Usher: Well, if you don't sit, I'll have to ask you to leave.

    I was not about to miss what would be one of the best concert experiences ever, so I sat. But I rocked out with wild abandon and unbridled enthusiasm from my chair. Rock n fucking Roll!
  • ryph raph
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    Has happened to me twice over the years.

    Once at a Paul McCartney show, and once at a Van Halen show. Who the F sits during Van Halen?

    When asked to sit my response was "are you shitting me?"


    David Lee ?

          or 

    Van Hagar ?

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  • dingers
    dingers Posts: 76
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    See this I don't get ... shows like last night there for those who want to stand there was general admission standing ... if you buy a seated ticket you should fully expect people to want to sit, how would people feel if those st the rail decided to sit? There's be uproar but it's the same logic, becusse they want to sit they should be allowed.... 
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  • JimNastics
    JimNastics Posts: 679
    I go on the policy of if the person in front of me is standing, I'll stand and won't cause a fuss, I'm totally happy to stand. If the person behind me taps on the shoulder, it should be pretty obvious to them I won't be able to see anything if I sit. Last night in the 10c section 112 it was super friendly, everyone stood in my area (section row J and up, amazing seats, thanks 10c!).

    If, however, there was no one in front of me and I stood, and someone behind me got annoyed, I would sit down. As dinger says, people might have bought seats because they actually want to sit! It's only fair.
  • I only stand in seats if i speak to the people behind me and check with them thats its OK. You have absolutely no idea if someone has a disability or not. This may or may not be visible and the person might not want to tell a stanger their issue to get them to sit down. A little bit of compassion for others at gigs and the erosion of "me, me, me" would make gigs a nicer place for all.
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  • bluegrace
    bluegrace Posts: 2,357
    I always stand up at the end of a show, otherwise I won't be able to dance. Nobody has ever complained. It's a rock concert! Oh, and I sing along too.
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  • facepollution
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    dingers said:
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    See this I don't get ... shows like last night there for those who want to stand there was general admission standing ... if you buy a seated ticket you should fully expect people to want to sit, how would people feel if those st the rail decided to sit? There's be uproar but it's the same logic, becusse they want to sit they should be allowed.... 

    I had to take the tickets I could get at the time they went on sale, the show sold out in no time.  Also, it does say in the terms and conditions that "other people might stand up around you during the event".  Also, to those with disabilities, the arena will usually accommodate your needs if you speak to them.  And finally, like I said, the majority of the arena was standing anyway, so I think it's a bit unreasonable/unrealistic to expect just a few people to sit down.
  • dingers said:
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    See this I don't get ... shows like last night there for those who want to stand there was general admission standing ... if you buy a seated ticket you should fully expect people to want to sit, how would people feel if those st the rail decided to sit? There's be uproar but it's the same logic, becusse they want to sit they should be allowed.... 

    I had to take the tickets I could get at the time they went on sale, the show sold out in no time.  Also, it does say in the terms and conditions that "other people might stand up around you during the event".  Also, to those with disabilities, the arena will usually accommodate your needs if you speak to them.  And finally, like I said, the majority of the arena was standing anyway, so I think it's a bit unreasonable/unrealistic to expect just a few people to sit down.
    Playing devils advocate, but what if you have a hidden disability and dont want to be in a "disabled section" or want any special treatment?Or what if you simply have trouble standing?
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    dingers said:
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    See this I don't get ... shows like last night there for those who want to stand there was general admission standing ... if you buy a seated ticket you should fully expect people to want to sit, how would people feel if those st the rail decided to sit? There's be uproar but it's the same logic, becusse they want to sit they should be allowed.... 

    I had to take the tickets I could get at the time they went on sale, the show sold out in no time.  Also, it does say in the terms and conditions that "other people might stand up around you during the event".  Also, to those with disabilities, the arena will usually accommodate your needs if you speak to them.  And finally, like I said, the majority of the arena was standing anyway, so I think it's a bit unreasonable/unrealistic to expect just a few people to sit down.
    Playing devils advocate, but what if you have a hidden disability and dont want to be in a "disabled section" or want any special treatment?Or what if you simply have trouble standing?
    Special treatment like compelling people who are perfectly entitled to stand to sit down?  Amazon have their own seats that run around the edge of the first tier of seating, with an  uninterrupted view, maybe that would be better?  The point you're making is a moral one, which goes against what the venue has set out in their rules.  If we used that moral rule, then as a short person should I be able to ask taller people to move so I can see in the GA section?  It's not my fault I'm short......
  • facepollution
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    Also, what if I had a condition where I can't sit down for too long?  You end up playing a game of whop's the biggest victim.  
  • dingers said:
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    See this I don't get ... shows like last night there for those who want to stand there was general admission standing ... if you buy a seated ticket you should fully expect people to want to sit, how would people feel if those st the rail decided to sit? There's be uproar but it's the same logic, becusse they want to sit they should be allowed.... 

    I had to take the tickets I could get at the time they went on sale, the show sold out in no time.  Also, it does say in the terms and conditions that "other people might stand up around you during the event".  Also, to those with disabilities, the arena will usually accommodate your needs if you speak to them.  And finally, like I said, the majority of the arena was standing anyway, so I think it's a bit unreasonable/unrealistic to expect just a few people to sit down.
    Playing devils advocate, but what if you have a hidden disability and dont want to be in a "disabled section" or want any special treatment?Or what if you simply have trouble standing?
    Special treatment like compelling people who are perfectly entitled to stand to sit down?  Amazon have their own seats that run around the edge of the first tier of seating, with an  uninterrupted view, maybe that would be better?  The point you're making is a moral one, which goes against what the venue has set out in their rules.  If we used that moral rule, then as a short person should I be able to ask taller people to move so I can see in the GA section?  It's not my fault I'm short......
    Amazon seats are 125 a piece. Pretty unfair to make someone pay that because you want to stand.

    Im sure you are a lovely person but you are coming across as slightly entitled. You wanted to stand in seats so you did. Someone asked you to sit down and you refused. Thats pretty rude and you probably ruined someones night. We are all different. Just remember that.
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  • facepollution
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    Entitled?  See my previous comment, what if I couldn't sit for too long?
  • And btw like i said before. I stand in seats. I think its silly to sit down at a gig BUT there has to be some thought for those around you.  If me standing in seats meant someone couldnt see, id suck it up and not want to ruin someone's night because I want to stand. 
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  • dingers
    dingers Posts: 76
    dingers said:
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    See this I don't get ... shows like last night there for those who want to stand there was general admission standing ... if you buy a seated ticket you should fully expect people to want to sit, how would people feel if those st the rail decided to sit? There's be uproar but it's the same logic, becusse they want to sit they should be allowed.... 

    I had to take the tickets I could get at the time they went on sale, the show sold out in no time.  Also, it does say in the terms and conditions that "other people might stand up around you during the event".  Also, to those with disabilities, the arena will usually accommodate your needs if you speak to them.  And finally, like I said, the majority of the arena was standing anyway, so I think it's a bit unreasonable/unrealistic to expect just a few people to sit down.

    Also, what if I had a condition where I can't sit down for too long?  You end up playing a game of whop's the biggest victim.  
    Problem here is you're saying you couldn't get the tickets you wanted so you took your wishes into an enclosure that did not want them... for clarification. I stood in GA, because I like to stand, but if I were in seated I'd respect their wishes... if you can't sit down to long then go standing... it's about balance, your enjoyment shouldnt ruin others ... especially when they've bought tickets to avoid people standing ... but if you think it's still cool let me know the next time you're seeing a film in the cinema and I'll stand in front of you through the whole thing lol 
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  • Entitled?  See my previous com0ment, what if I couldn't sit for too long?
    Now you are being facetious. If you need to stand you walk to the foyer.

    Im glad you had a good night at someone elses expence. Well done.

    Im done here.
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  • Also, what if I had a condition where I 0can't sit down for too long?  You end up playing a game of whop's the biggest victim.  
    "Biggest victim"
    Are you for real?

    @Sea please close this thread before i break all the rules and start insulting this user.
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,379
    dingers said:
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    See this I don't get ... shows like last night there for those who want to stand there was general admission standing ... if you buy a seated ticket you should fully expect people to want to sit, how would people feel if those st the rail decided to sit? There's be uproar but it's the same logic, becusse they want to sit they should be allowed.... 
    I don't know that it is the same logic. If you get GA, you have knowingly requesting a 1st priority for an area that has no seats. This is a strong indictation that patrons are to stand.

    However, many folks have put in a 1st priority request for GA but ended up with 2nd priority seats. Therefore, the spots with seats will have a mixed bag of those who want to sit/stand. Then factor in the general public who would love GA but are not smart enough to be 10C members...more standing. Of course these scenarios are for PJ shows, so there is that. 

    First row of balcony/next level is always a great sitting spot! 

    Like many people, I struggle with standing an entire show. I will plop my happy ass in the seat the second an encore starts and not come back up until the band is out. Then, I may take an additional breather for a snoozer (if applicable). In general, I agree with F me in the brain.

    That said, I think there are the unspoken rules that are not known or shared by all:

    • At a rock show, expect people to stand even if you don't want them to or even if you cannot.

    • Expect to be bumped into and possibly even have a little bit of beer spilled on you. Once is tolerableb twice, it's time for you to chill the duck out. [EDITORS NOTE: if, for any reason, you are responsible for knocking over somebody's beer, you must buy that person another beer. This is not negotiable. Be the good person and do it.]

    • Survey your crowd. Not all shows are PJ shows. Look in your section. Are you the only one standing? Yes? Then you are likely being rude and need to sit down. Are you the only one sitting? You are insane to then think someone else needs to sit to appease you. 

    • Seeing one show is not necessarily the same as seeing another show. Every PJ show I have attended a vast majority of the folks anywhere around me have been standing for a majority of the show. The same could not be said when I saw the likes of Crosby, Stills and Nash or BB King.
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    dingers said:
    dingers said:
    Sit if you like but don't be bummed when people stand.  
    I get that some cannot stand for three hours.  That is unfortunate...but that should not deter others from standing.  I sat during Bee Girl.  And Yellow Poon.  And Parachutes.  Any and all times I saw them.
    Not much else that I can recall.  Those were nice rest songs, though.
    See this I don't get ... shows like last night there for those who want to stand there was general admission standing ... if you buy a seated ticket you should fully expect people to want to sit, how would people feel if those st the rail decided to sit? There's be uproar but it's the same logic, becusse they want to sit they should be allowed.... 

    I had to take the tickets I could get at the time they went on sale, the show sold out in no time.  Also, it does say in the terms and conditions that "other people might stand up around you during the event".  Also, to those with disabilities, the arena will usually accommodate your needs if you speak to them.  And finally, like I said, the majority of the arena was standing anyway, so I think it's a bit unreasonable/unrealistic to expect just a few people to sit down.

    Also, what if I had a condition where I can't sit down for too long?  You end up playing a game of whop's the biggest victim.  
    Problem here is you're saying you couldn't get the tickets you wanted so you took your wishes into an enclosure that did not want them... for clarification. I stood in GA, because I like to stand, but if I were in seated I'd respect their wishes... if you can't sit down to long then go standing... it's about balance, your enjoyment shouldnt ruin others ... especially when they've bought tickets to avoid people standing ... but if you think it's still cool let me know the next time you're seeing a film in the cinema and I'll stand in front of you through the whole thing lol 
    What if my condition meant I couldn't sit all the time, but needed to rest at certain points?  What if I'm too short to see anything in GA, but also can't sit down?

    The cinema thing isn't comparable at all, nobody stands at the cinema, and if for some reason 80 percent of the people there did for some reason stand during the film, and it said on your ticket that people were entitled to do so, you'd have to go in with the mindset that some people might, and not act like a victim about it.

    In case I didn't make it clear originally, I sat for the majority of the show, at the point this guy tapped me on the shoulder I'd stood for 3 songs out of 25, and sat down again for the less lively ones after.

    If people bought seats under the notion that people wouldn't be standing, they should check the venue's terms and conditions, it clearly states that people might stand.

    In terms of why should someone have to pay extra for an amazon seat - it's down to personal choice, does someone want to be able to see all night or not?

    What if everybody had stood, and the guy in from of me was really tall and I couldn't see?  Do I then have the right to tell him to sit down?

    I sense we will just go around in circles here, but I think it's just an unrealistic stance.