do we really need around 6 songs of ten in a show?

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  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,674
    Biting my tongue. So people would be upset to hear Porch, Release, Black, Why Go, Oceans, Jeremy, and Garden at a show? Alive is obligatory for the encore. Ten is CLASSIC. 
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  • iwasatpj20
    iwasatpj20 Rockford, IL Posts: 3,477
    PJammer4life said:
    Biting my tongue. So people would be upset to hear Porch, Release, Black, Why Go, Oceans, Jeremy, and Garden at a show? Alive is obligatory for the encore. Ten is CLASSIC. 
    And Porch usually ends either encore one or two
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,357

    A great crowd takes a show to another level.  Ten is necessary to keep a decent chunk of the crowd engaged.  We are spoiled with Pearl Jam thinking that 6 songs from Ten a night is overload when they change up their set so much. 

  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,357
    Also...the songs on Ten are better songs than on Riot Act.  They are playing more of the cream of the crop at the shows by playing a lot of Ten songs.  We may be bored of them, but they are better songs. 
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Yep and yep. ^
  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Posts: 1,556
    Big bands rarely base their setlists on what their since-day-one fans wants to hear.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,567
    lolobugg said:
    Eddieredder said:
    lolobugg said:
    Eddieredder said:
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.
    agreed but in the end....... 5/6 out of 25-30 songs isn't a big percentage. Even the casual fans don't expect to hear mostly Ten cuts. 

    that's almost a 1/4 of the set if you use 28 songs as the new norm.  too much TEN
    It's actually closer to 1/5. I could see the issue if they played around 20 songs for under 2 hours, but with 2.5 hours and 28 songs, pfft, let's not complain about a change of maybe 1 song different. Does playing 4 instead of 5 make that much of a difference? Last tour it was complaints  about covers so they trimmed them down, but now it's about one of the best selling rock albums of all time. Geez, we're annoying fans.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • kramer73
    kramer73 Posts: 2,638
    I suppose you could save some money by not going to shows.  
  • stankratz
    stankratz Posts: 183
    Some nights they play 5-7 from 10, some nights they only play 2/3. Even on the 5-7 nights, some of those 'Ten' tunes can be rare or special. For example, I got Deep in Berlin last week and Garden in Krakow, Barcelona got Oceans.

    I understand what you're saying OP, but the guys likely have to cater for at least 1/2 of the live audience who are just casual fans and/or fans who mostly only know the Ten tunes. I think us diehard fans are quite lucky that the guys do a good job of keeping the diehards and the casuals happy most nights as it is.

    Take Krakow in Poland for example - A city they had never played before in a country they visit rarely. I imagine that many bands rolling into Krakow in that situation would have given the starved Polish fans a set of mostly hits and would have played it quite safe. Not Pearl Jam though - 'It doesn't matter if we haven't been here for years and won't be back til fuck knows when, we're not playing Black tonight. You're getting Other Side and All or None.'

    I just don't think we'll ever be truly content. Not while following a band with 150+ quality original tunes and we 'only' get to hear around 30 of those songs at a given show. Not even 30 original tunes when you consider the guys like to play a few covers in their set too. Even if you took the 'Ten' tunes out, there's still a good chance that something else will bug you/me about the set. 'Too many covers'...'Not enough Binaural'...'LAST KISS FFS!!'  etc.

    For my mileage, the usage of Ten in the set is just fine. Sure, there are shows I could do with less Why Go, Evenflow and Alive in favour of something else, but I understand why that can't happen.

  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    I understand/appreciate both sides of this debate. I will always adore this album no matter how many times I hear the songs from it. I do, however, think they could do a better job rotating songs like Even Flow, Porch, and even (one of my favourites) Alive. They play these three songs at almost every show - and play Jeremy and Black at many shows. If it were up to me (and it isn't), these ones could be rotated with each other - especially at venues where they play two nights (e.g., Seattle next month) and then release the deeper cuts from the album.
  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,674

    Take Krakow in Poland for example - A city they had never played before in a country they visit rarely. I imagine that many bands rolling into Krakow in that situation would have given the starved Polish fans a set of mostly hits and would have played it quite safe. Not Pearl Jam though - 'It doesn't matter if we haven't been here for years and won't be back til fuck knows when, we're not playing Black tonight. You're getting Other Side and All or None.'


    So true. Not everyone can travel to multiple continents or every tour to see the band as kids, jobs, finances and other things interfere.  When you haven’t seen the band in 5 years (going on 6) like the US West Coast, we’d love for those Ten songs to be played. It may be my one of my last chances to hear Black, Release, or Jeremy again. I can buy the bootlegs for the rarities.
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  • PJWGIII
    PJWGIII Chicago, IL Posts: 811
    edited July 2018
    PJammer4life said:

    Take Krakow in Poland for example - A city they had never played before in a country they visit rarely. I imagine that many bands rolling into Krakow in that situation would have given the starved Polish fans a set of mostly hits and would have played it quite safe. Not Pearl Jam though - 'It doesn't matter if we haven't been here for years and won't be back til fuck knows when, we're not playing Black tonight. You're getting Other Side and All or None.'


    So true. Not everyone can travel to multiple continents or every tour to see the band as kids, jobs, finances and other things interfere.  When you haven’t seen the band in 5 years (going on 6) like the US West Coast, we’d love for those Ten songs to be played. It may be my one of my last chances to hear Black, Release, or Jeremy again. I can buy the bootlegs for the rarities.
    Yeah but if they don't play the rarities you won't be able to have any more boots of them so....
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  • CM24
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    I would rather hear the entire 10 album than Baba, YL, Comfortbly Numb, RITFW.  So many songs they don’t play enough I would switch with the ones they play too often
  • PeArLgOoNeR
    PeArLgOoNeR Posts: 1,255
    It's a fact that songs like Even Flow and Alive get the biggest reactions at any show.. 
    Trying to send everyone home happy is a balancing act when it comes to setlists.. And I think Ed does a great job

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  • pashapasaman
    pashapasaman Posts: 500
    Frustating is that the encore is becoming predictable, very ten heavy

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  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    pashapasaman said:
    Frustating is that the encore is becoming predictable, very ten heavy

    That’s the one. ^
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  • Kearn5y
    Kearn5y Ireland Posts: 3,113
    Yes we do. If it keeps the covers out, id take 6 from Backspacer too
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,666
    pashapasaman said:
    Frustating is that the encore is becoming predictable, very ten heavy

    Encore 2 has been a problem for a while now. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,936
    Kearn5y said:
    Yes we do. If it keeps the covers out, id take 6 from Backspacer too

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  • deftones
    deftones Athens, Greece Posts: 2,444
    nicknyr15 said:
    pashapasaman said:
    Frustating is that the encore is becoming predictable, very ten heavy

    Encore 2 has been a problem for a while now. 
    The only problem I see is that after 2.5-3 hours shows and more than 100 unique songs played during euro tour we keep on complaining.
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