This hatred is happening in Australia...

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    I feel like this hatred of the left has increased dramatically in the past year or two.
    What saddens me the most is that many women support Blair Cottrell and his views.
    This is a man who traumatised his ex-girlfriend and her new partner with a tomahawk and set fire to her new partner's property.
    He openly has stated his anti-women views as per the two quotes below (source: http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=38730).
    Yet women still support this POS? I don't understand. All comments on his Facebook page and the Future Now Australia are so homophobic, transphobic and anti-Muslim.

    "Women have manipulated me using sex and emotion; demoralization, and I have manipulated them using violence and terror. We use what we have to get what we want."

    "In an ideal world, but women are not the puzzle modern times make them out to be. They are attracted to strength, so if you cherish them and pay all your attention to them they will think you’re just a little bitch and you’ll end up the cuck. To them what is strong is self-reliant, care-free and physically solid. Care less about them and even crack them around the ear every once in a while and this sort of thing never eventuates, I learned this the hard way. But beware the modern ‘careerist’ woman who doesn’t want kids and thinks she is equal to men, these women are delusional and extremely hard to handle."
    at least he admits he is weaker than a woman who knows she's equal to men. 

    "crack them around the ear every once in a while". hopefully at some point someone charges him with assault and he will go away and then he'll be someone's bitch. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    One of these far right people supportive of Blair and his True Blue Crew messaged me yesterday on Facebook.
    I engaged in conversation and regret it as it is one hour of my life I will never get back.

    He started off by asking me if I am a pedophile. There was nothing to indicate or hint or slightly suggest this to be the case.
    He then said I am selfish, a traitor, that I hate white people, that I hate myself, that asylum seekers are not in danger, the Syrian war is over and there is no danger to children there, who cares about children of Syria as it's only men being hurt there, that "The UN is a corrupt organisation with one agenda only. To violate the rights of soverign nations and bring tjem under their control", that I care for other people's children and not my own, I only care about my own image as a social justice warrior, I don't have any purpose and am a traitor to my own kind, I hate white skin thus myself, I am ashamed of myself, I suffer white guilt, I project my own self hatred on the world.

    He ended the conversation by saying that he hope he gave me some perspective.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    One of these far right people supportive of Blair and his True Blue Crew messaged me yesterday on Facebook.
    I engaged in conversation and regret it as it is one hour of my life I will never get back.

    He started off by asking me if I am a pedophile. There was nothing to indicate or hint or slightly suggest this to be the case.
    He then said I am selfish, a traitor, that I hate white people, that I hate myself, that asylum seekers are not in danger, the Syrian war is over and there is no danger to children there, who cares about children of Syria as it's only men being hurt there, that "The UN is a corrupt organisation with one agenda only. To violate the rights of soverign nations and bring tjem under their control", that I care for other people's children and not my own, I only care about my own image as a social justice warrior, I don't have any purpose and am a traitor to my own kind, I hate white skin thus myself, I am ashamed of myself, I suffer white guilt, I project my own self hatred on the world.

    He ended the conversation by saying that he hope he gave me some perspective.
    In this case I take it "friend"  as in "Facebook Friend" is a bit of a stretch, lol.  You have better friends here!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    brianlux said:
    One of these far right people supportive of Blair and his True Blue Crew messaged me yesterday on Facebook.
    I engaged in conversation and regret it as it is one hour of my life I will never get back.

    He started off by asking me if I am a pedophile. There was nothing to indicate or hint or slightly suggest this to be the case.
    He then said I am selfish, a traitor, that I hate white people, that I hate myself, that asylum seekers are not in danger, the Syrian war is over and there is no danger to children there, who cares about children of Syria as it's only men being hurt there, that "The UN is a corrupt organisation with one agenda only. To violate the rights of soverign nations and bring tjem under their control", that I care for other people's children and not my own, I only care about my own image as a social justice warrior, I don't have any purpose and am a traitor to my own kind, I hate white skin thus myself, I am ashamed of myself, I suffer white guilt, I project my own self hatred on the world.

    He ended the conversation by saying that he hope he gave me some perspective.
    In this case I take it "friend"  as in "Facebook Friend" is a bit of a stretch, lol.  You have better friends here!
    He's not a Facebook friend at all. 
    Everything he accused me of had no evidence to support.
    All I did was defend ethnic minorities and gay/trans people online.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    brianlux said:
    One of these far right people supportive of Blair and his True Blue Crew messaged me yesterday on Facebook.
    I engaged in conversation and regret it as it is one hour of my life I will never get back.

    He started off by asking me if I am a pedophile. There was nothing to indicate or hint or slightly suggest this to be the case.
    He then said I am selfish, a traitor, that I hate white people, that I hate myself, that asylum seekers are not in danger, the Syrian war is over and there is no danger to children there, who cares about children of Syria as it's only men being hurt there, that "The UN is a corrupt organisation with one agenda only. To violate the rights of soverign nations and bring tjem under their control", that I care for other people's children and not my own, I only care about my own image as a social justice warrior, I don't have any purpose and am a traitor to my own kind, I hate white skin thus myself, I am ashamed of myself, I suffer white guilt, I project my own self hatred on the world.

    He ended the conversation by saying that he hope he gave me some perspective.
    In this case I take it "friend"  as in "Facebook Friend" is a bit of a stretch, lol.  You have better friends here!
    He's not a Facebook friend at all. 
    Everything he accused me of had no evidence to support.
    All I did was defend ethnic minorities and gay/trans people online.
    Sounds like he is the one with some problems/ hang ups.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    Yikes!  Sounds like someone to ignore!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    Shit, man!  All my work to make that post and all I get in return is 6 words... and only two that you hadn't already posted??
    :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited July 2018
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    Shit, man!  All my work to make that post and all I get in return is 6 words... and only two that you hadn't already posted??
    :lol:
    Just curious ... what more is there really to say.  The message board used to be great.  Now it's the same shit different day by the same dozen or so posters who just want to argue for the sake of arguing.  Look at some of the thread titles...A 2nd American Civil"...based on a fucking tweet. 

    If a civil war does happen I hope it weeds out the idiots on both sides and leave those of us in the middle alone...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    Yikes!  Sounds like someone to ignore!
    Absolutely. Engaging with someone like that is a complete waste of time and energy.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    Shit, man!  All my work to make that post and all I get in return is 6 words... and only two that you hadn't already posted??
    :lol:
    Just curious ... what more is there really to say.  The message board used to be great.  Now it's the same shit different day by the same dozen or so posters who just want to argue for the sake of arguing.  Look at some of the thread titles...A 2nd American Civil"...based on a fucking tweet. 

    If a civil war does happen I hope it weeds out the idiots on both sides and leave those of us in the middle alone...
    I think very few people are here for the sake of arguing. I have always found that this accusation comes exclusively from people who have opinions that the majority do not. It likely becomes frustrating so those posters turn to insulting everyone else's purpose or motivation.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    Shit, man!  All my work to make that post and all I get in return is 6 words... and only two that you hadn't already posted??
    :lol:
    Just curious ... what more is there really to say.  The message board used to be great.  Now it's the same shit different day by the same dozen or so posters who just want to argue for the sake of arguing.  Look at some of the thread titles...A 2nd American Civil"...based on a fucking tweet. 

    If a civil war does happen I hope it weeds out the idiots on both sides and leave those of us in the middle alone...

    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    Shit, man!  All my work to make that post and all I get in return is 6 words... and only two that you hadn't already posted??
    :lol:
    Just curious ... what more is there really to say.  The message board used to be great.  Now it's the same shit different day by the same dozen or so posters who just want to argue for the sake of arguing.  Look at some of the thread titles...A 2nd American Civil"...based on a fucking tweet. 

    If a civil war does happen I hope it weeds out the idiots on both sides and leave those of us in the middle alone...
    I think very few people are here for the sake of arguing. I have always found that this accusation comes exclusively from people who have opinions that the majority do not. It likely becomes frustrating so those posters turn to insulting everyone else's purpose or motivation.
    I agree with double "L" Allison, I don't think most of us come here just to argue.  Some, maybe, but most of those who do fall off the radar eventually.

    And actually, it's been good to see some new faces here over the last several months.  When I see someone new here (or someone who has been around a while but usually post on The Porch or some other place), I try to engage with them a bit in hope that those new faces will stick around. 

    As to "what more is there to say", perhaps explain why you categorically describe the UN as corrupt. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    How so?
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    Shit, man!  All my work to make that post and all I get in return is 6 words... and only two that you hadn't already posted??
    :lol:
    Just curious ... what more is there really to say.  The message board used to be great.  Now it's the same shit different day by the same dozen or so posters who just want to argue for the sake of arguing.  Look at some of the thread titles...A 2nd American Civil"...based on a fucking tweet. 

    If a civil war does happen I hope it weeds out the idiots on both sides and leave those of us in the middle alone...
    someone is having a meltdown
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    The UN is corrupt ... 
    In general, for a while, or recently?

    Otherwise just calling the UN corrupt-- maybe that's a bit over-reaching? 

    Sure, there have been several accurate criticisms over the years, but even still, all but its staunchest critics acknowledge that a lot of good has come out of the UN.  I'd say it has good bones but a number of week joints. 

    Most of the criticisms I've heard that don't acknowledge any of the good things about the UN have come from fundamentalist Christians who rant on about how the UN is doing the devil's work trying to build a one nation world run by Satan (or something like that). 

    I think the UN has potential to do a lot of good.  Maybe we ought to insist on that more and support those who do.
    The UN is corrupt ... thats all....
    Shit, man!  All my work to make that post and all I get in return is 6 words... and only two that you hadn't already posted??
    :lol:
    Just curious ... what more is there really to say.  The message board used to be great.  Now it's the same shit different day by the same dozen or so posters who just want to argue for the sake of arguing.  Look at some of the thread titles...A 2nd American Civil"...based on a fucking tweet. 

    If a civil war does happen I hope it weeds out the idiots on both sides and leave those of us in the middle alone...
    You issued a blanket statement that the UN is corrupt. When a cogent counter-argument was made, your response was, once again, that the UN is corrupt (and that you effectively wish death upon those who either lean left or right). Given your opposition to the quality of discussions here, I'm not sure how your effort is elevating it any.


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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Yep. He was calling me delusional for my beliefs lol.
    I kept asking him for evidence that the UN is corrupt and that children are not affected by war in Syria.
    He could not provide it but what he said was that is common knowledge.
    These far right idiots lack critical thinking skills.
    He also warned me to be careful about what I say, seemed to be threatening to me.
    Yikes!  Sounds like someone to ignore!
    Absolutely. Engaging with someone like that is a complete waste of time and energy.
    I still regret that lost hour haha
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I saw an interesting documentary about the Proud Boys last night. Why are they saw upset over their perceived threat to masculinity? If they want to be masculine then go for it but leave guys who don't subscribe to the macho male image alone.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014