Stop with the anti-Trump crusade, it's boring!
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I just got this from my US Senator Chris Van Hollen...
I suppose it's WAY too Boring to readOne week ago, on Father’s Day, I traveled to the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas with my colleague, Senator Merkley, to investigate the reports of children being forcibly separated from their parents. What I witnessed confirmed my worst fears about the Trump Administration's cruel and inhumane family separation policy.
Our first stop was the Ursula Border Patrol Processing Center in McAllen – the center that is locally known as the “dog kennel” for the large pens of chain-link fencing that separately hold men, women, and children. We were not allowed to talk to the children, but we did talk to a mother named Reina – who had fled Guatemala with her daugher after local gangs threatened to kill them both. Reina's daughter was taken from her at the Center and she had no idea where she was. She feared that she would never see her daughter again.
After this stop, we traveled to the Hidalgo Port of Entry – a bridge that spans the Rio Grande, where asylum-seekers should be allowed to cross legally and safely into the United States to have their claims processed. However, the pedestrian crossing had been effectively closed to people seeking asylum. Local volunteers informed us that two weeks earlier asylum seekers had been left stranded on the bridge for days without food and water. Not surprisingly, they gave up and many then sought to cross the river in boats, only to be arrested and have their children taken from them.Our next stop was a former Walmart super-store that has been converted into the Children’s Facility in Brownsville. This facility houses over 1,200 boys ages ten and up. Although we were able to tour the facility, Trump Administration officials refused to let us speak with the children. While it’s clear that the employees at this Center were doing their best to care for these children, the place was crammed and overflowing with boys as the Trump Administration was separating more and more kids from their parents.
Our last stop of the day was the Port Isabel ICE Detention Center. At the Detention Center, I heard gut-wrenching testimony from ten women in their blue prison jumpsuits who had fled extreme violence in Central America only to be arrested and have their children taken away from them when they reached the United States. These women were completely distraught over the possibility that they may never be reunited with their children.
In the days following our trip, people in Maryland and in every state have risen up to condemn this shameful policy. And, because of the outcry, President Trump finally bent to public pressure to reverse his despicable child separation policy. But our work is not done.
This new Executive Order does nothing to reunite the children who have already been taken from their parents. We have reports of children in Maryland as young as 18 months old who have been forcibly taken from their parents, and we cannot rest until these families are back together. The Executive Order also appears to subject children to indefinite imprisonment – which is unacceptable and violates previous court rulings. Bringing families back together just to lock them up again in prison camps is not a solution. There are better ways to manage this process that allow families to stay together while they go through the asylum process. The previous Administration had a program to keep kids out of jail, preserve opportunities for asylum, and enforce our laws.Some families will meet the test to be granted asylum; others won't. But, as they go through that process, we should not be taking children from their parents or locking them up indefinitely. There are better ways that have proven to be effective. So please, keep speaking out and making your voices heard. Together, we can have secure borders and can stand up for the values that make America a beacon of light and hope to the rest of the world.
This is FASCISM. Not BORING.
To NOT SPEAK out AGAINST it is IRRESPONSIBLE.
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Tiki said:Or maybe it was...During the so called “listening session” with victims of school shootings when he was talking about arming teachers, he said “I think it could very well solve your problem.” Notice that he referred to the shooting of innocent children as “your” problem.
Is THAT one of the "views" you agree with?
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Windermere11 said:Stickman24 said:Yeah I’d prefer a little less political talk Instead of attacking why not try and find some common ground. It might be um productive. Rather than more walls.
Look by by no means am I looking to get into a political debate. I’ve loved this band and it’s members since I was 12 I’m 38 today. Weather I agree or disagree with thier personal. views it won’t affect how I view them. I agree some respect for the other side should be shown.2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0 -
I think as fans at this stage of the game we all know the drill before we purchase our tickets for the shows. I could be off, however, I think the band views it as their obligation due to their unique position to speak out on what they see as injustices (no different than their position on women's right, LGBTQ rights in North Carolina, Homelessness...and the list goes on). People can argue and say politics is different - But is it? Should it be kept in box off to the side? - I don't know the answer. All I know is that they are a great band, that makes great music and probably view their role as musicians as an opportunity to be activist. If they didn't speak out, we would have a thread or two that would say they are hypocrites and why don't they use their voice to take a stand. We can't expect to have it both ways. My stance is this - I love the band, the music they make and the friendships I have formed from the shows because of them - If they want to take a few moments during their show to shine a light on an issue that is clearly important to them - than more power to them. If you don't like it - use it as an opportunity to use the rest room or to connect with the person next to you. People said the same thing about Lennon, Dylan, Bono and many others - Rock on PJ.0
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I will always support PJ bringing their beliefs out. It is their right and what they have often stood for over the last 25+ years.
However, when it's done in a name calling, insulting and intolerant manner, I'm not sure it's going to be very productive in the long run. I think the left is missing a massive opportunity... when instead of taking the high road, they choose to stoop to the low levels that they hate from Trump and his allies.0 -
20 years ago Eddie brought some boxes out and ur still upset? Most the songs are political too, do u mind those? Eddie shoukd talk more about politics and I think0
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JimmyV said:They lost the crowd for a half hour? I call bullshit.0
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Vedd Hedd said:People are still supporting Trump?
Dear god, why?
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Mike D88 said:Windermere11 said:Trumps an idiot, so is Obama, Bush and Clinton. Most elected politicians are full of crap!!0
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THEBIBLEISTEN said:20 years ago Eddie brought some boxes out and ur still upset? Most the songs are political too, do u mind those? Eddie shoukd talk more about politics and I think1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0
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This is why it needs to continue...- Martin Niemöller
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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LukinFan said:This is why it needs to continue...- Martin Niemöller
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Oh look. A political thread
:wanders back into the merch thread:
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Pearl Jam is much more than a rock band. They were never just for the music and they will never be. And this is what makes them so special.ATHENS / 30-9-2006, MANCHESTER / 20-6-2012, MANCHESTER / 21-6-2012, AMSTERDAM / 16-6-2014, AMSTERDAM / 17-6-2014, AMSTERDAM / 12-6-2018, AMSTERDAM / 13-6-2018, PRAGUE / 1-7-2018, KRAKOW / 3-7-2018, BERLIN / 5-7-20180
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I've not always agreed with the political views but have had zero issues with Eddie (or anyone in the band) vocalizing their opinions. I've always thought it was funny when people complain that they do. They've spoken out about issues since day one. You are a consumer, if you don't like the product enough that you plead for them to stop then maybe it's you that needs to find a new product to spend your money on. I see both sides and in the past 3-4 years I have lost a little respect for how he's chosen to speak out. I feel like it has gone from standing up for morals and supporting what's right to standing up for a specific party. I believe both sides are corrupt.Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste0
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They didn't lose the crowd for half an hour at all. It didn't take anything away from the gig. It's their mic, they can say and do what they want.2012 – Manchester II
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Tiki said:or was it that
Trump Spent One-Third of His First Year in Office Golfing and Hiding Out at His Own Private Clubs
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on2legs said:THEBIBLEISTEN said:20 years ago Eddie brought some boxes out and ur still upset? Most the songs are political too, do u mind those? Eddie shoukd talk more about politics and I thinkI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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I hope they do a video accompaniment to one of their songs about Trump like Roger Waters did- absolutely demolishing him!
I think Trump is a slob that is not only funny looking, but a horrible person. If Trump can mock disabled people while doing presidential candidate stuff... then Pearl Jam can knock the orange one while doing rock star stuff.
People can go ahead and leave if he does. Nobody will care. The mean IQ will spike significantly and we can all have a better time!"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Humanity cannot defend trump
As a world .As the human race we all know it's wrong. So I say keep talking and keep telling everyone how wrong it all is. The passion is needed now
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0
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