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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited June 2018
    unsung said:
    Sorry, I walked from the LP long ago when he got hijacked by SJW's.

    But the LP platform is to defend life so good luck getting abortion as a new direction.  Then again the new LP may be on board.
    Well yes, the LP believes that government should have no say in the matter and that each individual should make their own decision on the matter. But the new LP or the old LP... Libertarians have never been in favour of the anti-choice perspective. How could they be?? A government telling a person what they may or may not keep inside their own bodies is the exact opposite of everything any variation of libertarian stands for, whether they are each personally in favour of abortion or not.
    Seriously, how can you go on saying you don't like government interference if you're making what appear to be anti-choice comments? How do you reconcile this inside your own head?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It is pretty simple when you accept that it is not a parasite inside being developed, but if you think that it is then there is no argument that I can make that would convince you as otherwise.  Good day Miss PJ Soul.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    unsung said:
    It is pretty simple when you accept that it is not a parasite inside being developed, but if you think that it is then there is no argument that I can make that would convince you as otherwise.  Good day Miss PJ Soul.
    That is 100% irrelevant to the point I was making, and 100% relevant to the fact that you're a complete fraud in terms of your oft-stated political stance.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,681
    Glad no news of any school shooting today , go kids keep the movement alive ! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I have a friend who teaches entomology at a well known and prestigious university on the  U.S. east coast.  I saw him yesterday and he mentioned that the natural infant mortality rate for humans is about 40%.  The actual mortality rate in the U.S. is currently about 0.582%  

    That raises some interesting questions, doesn't it?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    brianlux said:
    I have a friend who teaches entomology at a well known and prestigious university on the  U.S. east coast.  I saw him yesterday and he mentioned that the natural infant mortality rate for humans is about 40%.  The actual mortality rate in the U.S. is currently about 0.582%  

    That raises some interesting questions, doesn't it?
    What questions does it raise? The only thing I can think of is that you're maybe suggesting that mass shootings are some form of natural population control, but that couldn't be what your point is, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    I have a friend who teaches entomology at a well known and prestigious university on the  U.S. east coast.  I saw him yesterday and he mentioned that the natural infant mortality rate for humans is about 40%.  The actual mortality rate in the U.S. is currently about 0.582%  

    That raises some interesting questions, doesn't it?
    What questions does it raise? The only thing I can think of is that you're maybe suggesting that mass shootings are some form of natural population control, but that couldn't be what your point is, lol.
    No, that hadn't crossed my mind, but... hmmm...

    ...Nahhh!  haha!

    What questions... hmmm.  I really don't know.  The questions that lurk in the back of my mind have to do with our tinkering with nature.  Our propensity to over-populate.  Questions around an broadly generalized insistence that, for some, the abortion of even the tiniest of fetuses is an unpardonable sin while accepting an unnatural intervention to a normal mortality rate.

    I'm not making any statements about any of this.  I just wonder about it all.  Maybe too much.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited June 2018
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    I have a friend who teaches entomology at a well known and prestigious university on the  U.S. east coast.  I saw him yesterday and he mentioned that the natural infant mortality rate for humans is about 40%.  The actual mortality rate in the U.S. is currently about 0.582%  

    That raises some interesting questions, doesn't it?
    What questions does it raise? The only thing I can think of is that you're maybe suggesting that mass shootings are some form of natural population control, but that couldn't be what your point is, lol.
    No, that hadn't crossed my mind, but... hmmm...

    ...Nahhh!  haha!

    What questions... hmmm.  I really don't know.  The questions that lurk in the back of my mind have to do with our tinkering with nature.  Our propensity to over-populate.  Questions around an broadly generalized insistence that, for some, the abortion of even the tiniest of fetuses is an unpardonable sin while accepting an unnatural intervention to a normal mortality rate.

    I'm not making any statements about any of this.  I just wonder about it all.  Maybe too much.
    Oh, well yeah. I've actually got pretty "extreme" views when it comes to this issue. I believe that the world's overpopulation problem is a direct result of our relatively new ability to almost completely destroy most natural population controls through medicine advancements, foreign aid, and other technologies that have allowed us to skirt nature's plan to keep us dying at a satisfactory rate from natural disaster, infant mortality, disease, famine, and injury. The very best solution to the world's overpopulation would be for developed nations to completely cut off all foreign aid to underdeveloped nations, to end any refugee programs, to pull the Red Cross and all other humanitarian charities, and generally just let other nations sink or swim on their own through famine, epidemics, war, and disaster. And, of course, we would have to end all vaccination programs in the world. If our morals could bring us to do such a rash thing, the world's population issue would probably fix itself within a few generations.
    Some say nature will find a work-around for our interference in population control with a massive pandemic that kills 40% of us... I dunno, I guess we'll see. I know my mother is literally hoping for such a thing to happen (she would go for over 50% mortality though), and says that she is more than willing to be one of the dead if it happens. Me, well, if it's not a pandemic, I figure it will be climate change that leads to famine and water shortages and war in the developed world over the food and water. 
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    I have a friend who teaches entomology at a well known and prestigious university on the  U.S. east coast.  I saw him yesterday and he mentioned that the natural infant mortality rate for humans is about 40%.  The actual mortality rate in the U.S. is currently about 0.582%  

    That raises some interesting questions, doesn't it?
    What questions does it raise? The only thing I can think of is that you're maybe suggesting that mass shootings are some form of natural population control, but that couldn't be what your point is, lol.
    No, that hadn't crossed my mind, but... hmmm...

    ...Nahhh!  haha!

    What questions... hmmm.  I really don't know.  The questions that lurk in the back of my mind have to do with our tinkering with nature.  Our propensity to over-populate.  Questions around an broadly generalized insistence that, for some, the abortion of even the tiniest of fetuses is an unpardonable sin while accepting an unnatural intervention to a normal mortality rate.

    I'm not making any statements about any of this.  I just wonder about it all.  Maybe too much.
    Oh, well yeah. I've actually got pretty "extreme" views when it comes to this issue. I believe that the world's overpopulation problem is a direct result of our relatively new ability to almost completely destroy most natural population controls through medicine advancements, foreign aid, and other technologies that have allowed us to skirt nature's plan to keep us dying at a satisfactory rate from natural disaster, infant mortality, disease, famine, and injury. The very best solution to the world's overpopulation would be for developed nations to completely cut off all foreign aid to underdeveloped nations, to end any refugee programs, to pull the Red Cross and all other humanitarian charities, and generally just let other nations sink or swim on their own through famine, epidemics, war, and disaster. And, of course, we would have to end all vaccination programs in the world. If our morals could bring us to do such a rash thing, the world's population issue would probably fix itself within a few generations.
    Some say nature will find a work-around for our interference in population control with a massive pandemic that kills 40% of us... I dunno, I guess we'll see. I know my mother is literally hoping for such a thing to happen (she would go for over 50% mortality though), and says that she is more than willing to be one of the dead if it happens. Me, well, if it's not a pandemic, I figure it will be climate change that leads to famine and water shortages and war in the developed world over the food and water. 
    I have similar radical notions as well that are at odds with my own natural tendency to wish everyone well... and that's just not possible.  I think it comes down to a matter of degrees.  Like housing prices or stock markets, corrections in populations are going to occur, no matter how hard we try to buoy them up with artificial means. 

    The logical thing to do would be to find the most humane, least cataclysmic, and (within reason) slowest decline.  It's like some of these climbing rescue stories I've read recently.  If they lower the victim to quickly, he or she may die of increased injury.  If they lower him or her  too slowly, he or she and possibly  others may suffer hypothermia or pulmonary or cerebral edema.  What  is needed is a knowledgeable and wise rescue expedition leader to come up with the best plan.  This is where we have come up way, way short.  There are no great leaders and no one has a plan.  That almost always leads to the worst outcome. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    unsung said:
    It is pretty simple when you accept that it is not a parasite inside being developed, but if you think that it is then there is no argument that I can make that would convince you as otherwise.  Good day Miss PJ Soul.
    So what is your solution -- to force people into going 9 months growing a life that is unwanted? Because unwanted pregnancies is not gonna stop.

    I understand that its philosophically not a black and white matter (for many people, including me). But what is the alternative if not allowing abortions.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I haven't said flat out not to allow them, however the false tears don't make the two issues morally unequal.

    Don't sit and tell me how you want to protect the children but in the next breath demand unlimited access to abortions.

    When you size it up and get into the issue the loss of life is just a front for the real agenda.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,681
    more power to the kids movement keep the vision alive fuck your weapons !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    the real agenda?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Control.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    If we armed all the immigrants and put them to work as security for schools, malls, theaters, etc....does that constitute a compromise?


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    cincybearcat said:
    If we armed all the immigrants and put them to work as security for schools, malls, theaters, etc....does that constitute a compromise?


    no. 2A is only applicable to the "american race". 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    edited June 2018
    unsung said:

    Don't sit and tell me how you want to protect the children but in the next breath demand unlimited access to abortions.


    Drawing an absolute and false equivalence between not wanting kids to be murdered by guns and abortions?

    Did I stumble into some Jehovas Witnesses meeting...




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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,681
    Great another day with no known school shootings , go kids keep the vision alive ! 
    Fuck your weapons ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Throw your weapons down!
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,681
    Thursday bump keep the movement alive kids November will be here soon enough , fuck the weapons ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....

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