Shows are no longer 3 hours/ less encores/less songs? Discuss
Tonight’s Amsterdam show was 27 songs, 1 encore and about 2hours and 20minutes. is this the new normal?
i didn’t want to derail the show review threads but I think it’s worth discussing here the possibility 35 song shows are gone. What do others think? Back to back too tough on them now?
were you at the Amsterdam shows and see a lot of pj? Did you feel like it made that much of a difference? We’re people expecting them to,play more? Guessing not with the end of show songs and such.
OBVIOUSLY I am extremely grateful to still have 2.25 hours of (quality) Pearl Jam in 2018. That’s a special treat and a privilege. That is not a given. It’s not owed. They could have broken up a long time ago. Not looking to complain. If anything we were spoiled by the rest of this decade. But why now? 2016 had multiple back to back nights of 3 hour shows. Are these two years that much more challenging in age? There is still no opener and many bands play a little over 2hour shows. Did the band feel quality suffered in 16 from such long shows? Will the summer shows be longer with the off day in between? I will take whatever I can get and be happy. No one wants another 2017. But after a long layoff the shows are shorter and there’s been a switch to stadiums and the day off in between is the new norm.
it will be interesting to see what is in store for the rest of the European shows.
Im not looking to complain, I just think it’s interesting. I personally think those extra 30 minutes made the shows that much more epic/legendary/special. But I also feel older myself and if pj can’t do it anymore, then what hope do the rest of us have. Kidding of course, sort of. If it seems like I am complaining, it’s my own insecurity about getting older that is my real issue ha
i didn’t want to derail the show review threads but I think it’s worth discussing here the possibility 35 song shows are gone. What do others think? Back to back too tough on them now?
were you at the Amsterdam shows and see a lot of pj? Did you feel like it made that much of a difference? We’re people expecting them to,play more? Guessing not with the end of show songs and such.
OBVIOUSLY I am extremely grateful to still have 2.25 hours of (quality) Pearl Jam in 2018. That’s a special treat and a privilege. That is not a given. It’s not owed. They could have broken up a long time ago. Not looking to complain. If anything we were spoiled by the rest of this decade. But why now? 2016 had multiple back to back nights of 3 hour shows. Are these two years that much more challenging in age? There is still no opener and many bands play a little over 2hour shows. Did the band feel quality suffered in 16 from such long shows? Will the summer shows be longer with the off day in between? I will take whatever I can get and be happy. No one wants another 2017. But after a long layoff the shows are shorter and there’s been a switch to stadiums and the day off in between is the new norm.
it will be interesting to see what is in store for the rest of the European shows.
Im not looking to complain, I just think it’s interesting. I personally think those extra 30 minutes made the shows that much more epic/legendary/special. But I also feel older myself and if pj can’t do it anymore, then what hope do the rest of us have. Kidding of course, sort of. If it seems like I am complaining, it’s my own insecurity about getting older that is my real issue ha
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If you look at the SA shows though they had 2 shows that were 31 songs each and a couple of festivals that had more songs then usual. We have been spoiled the last couple of years and hope we are continued to be spoiled.
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Even if they have decided to shorten their shows going forward, I’m sure it’s out of a desire to deliver as tight a performance as possible. Either way, it’s still live PJ. We should all be thankful for that.
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I think 27 songs is a hell of a show and as long as they mix it up more with some of their back catalog you'll barely notice when you're at the show. One of the problems I could see is knowing that there will always be about 7 standards at every show which leaves around 20 variations a night. Still amazing by most bands standards, but the 5 song difference in set length may be more noticeable.
No worries either way. As long as they can keep playing at a high level it doesn't really matter.
But it will be interesting to see if there is a new normal set.
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It is likely not related to a curfew. PJ could have started at 8.00 but they have started at 8.20 at each show.
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30-35 songs sounds excessive for Pearl. Throwing in one million short punkrocksongs for 3 hours isn't ideal in my opinion.
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And as I said in the Amsterdam thread:
(And 2,5 hours and 27 songs doesn't really seem that short... 29 songs second night in 2014 at Ziggo)
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