They are getting old. How many 50+ year olds can you see running around for three hours and scream their heads off... It's a shame, but unless someone finds the fountain of youth... it's the way it is.
Cue the Bruce fans in 3,2,1.........
I love Bruce, but I think Pearl Jam songs are much more vocally demanding than Bruce’s songs
Not to mention they are listenable as well.
LOL. every time I have seen the Born In The USA video, I can't help but think he's trying to take a shit while singing.
My high school is in that video. NJ loves Bruce
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I thought their shows were too long before TBH, so this is kind of good news to me personally. People would start leaving before the end of their shows before, and they made it so people in the pit were on their feet (and unable to go pee if they had a good spot) for over 6 hours sometimes. But I understand that some people loved the marathon shows, so get why some might be disappointed by them shortening them up to something closer to normal. Perhaps they got really sick of paying tons of money for breaking venue curfews, which I gather they did semi-regularly in the past, so made the decision to stop with the 3+ hour shows in general so nobody would expect them to go overtime anymore. Plus... Eddie's voice. I feel quite sure that his voice box can't take the strain anymore. Even his latest studio work reveals that.
I love longer shows but I kind of agree with this. The encores were getting a little predictable. I would rather have a shorter show with the shows not ending similarly from night to night.
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I thought their shows were too long before TBH, so this is kind of good news to me personally. People would start leaving before the end of their shows before, and they made it so people in the pit were on their feet (and unable to go pee if they had a good spot) for over 6 hours sometimes. But I understand that some people loved the marathon shows, so get why some might be disappointed by them shortening them up to something closer to normal. Perhaps they got really sick of paying tons of money for breaking venue curfews, which I gather they did semi-regularly in the past, so made the decision to stop with the 3+ hour shows in general so nobody would expect them to go overtime anymore. Plus... Eddie's voice. I feel quite sure that his voice box can't take the strain anymore. Even his latest studio work reveals that.
I love longer shows but I kind of agree with this. The encores were getting a little predictable. I would rather have a shorter show with the shows not ending similarly from night to night.
Yes, that too! I'm not sure I can even handle hearing them do RITFW again, lol. I don't understand why their encores are always so similar, and have been for so many years.
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I agree with the second encore needing a bit of change but please do not mess with the first encore! Love the slow start and then some hard rockers to finish it off.
my favo show of all times was 2 hours ..i ve seen 3 hours and 15 min show from this band,and like 20 of them at 3 hours..but still nothing can top the performance of amsterdam 2 - 2012...."only" 2 hours,..buit Iill take it any day compare with 3 hourts show i saw.. now..as for amsterdam cos i was there,.and word was band to be on stage 8.pm exact i know that..,,but as always tons of people fuck around get drunk and not go to ga or to their seats,.,so they wait venue to look full.. \plus,they need to finish early cos oif cerfew plus the venue is 17k and all leave with train - metro,.,therei s no other way..so cant play till mindnight,cos then 17k will stuck there with no0 option to leave wth transportation eddie showed his wrist about time to the rest of the band night oine and night 2 he talk to ther band to keep playing and no second encore,again cos of time
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jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Absolutely not.
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I think we're reading WAY too much into this...give them the shows in London and then we can start worrying.
Regardless, if the quality of the sets remain as high as the one last night...than I wouldn't waste my breath complaining about shorter shows!
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jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Absolutely not.
Agreed. They are not a good enough jam band for that, despite the name, lol. Very few artists can get away with a ton of really extended jams while still holding the crowds complete attention and enthusiasm.
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I don't care about show length as long as the playing is good. 94-2005 was the golden error of epic shows and most were <2.5 hours and I don't think anyone care when they were throwing down like that. If they play at that level I'll 2 hour shows!
"What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Wrong! Go to a Phish concert if you want a jam session
PJ used to have incredible jams mixed in. Do you really want them to just rush through the songs and move on to the next? I think we all miss those awesome extended Porch's, RVM's etc. Hell I used to really look forward to the multiple daughter tags you get in a show and now you're lucky if you get more than one verse of ABITW...
"What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
They are getting old. How many 50+ year olds can you see running around for three hours and scream their heads off... It's a shame, but unless someone finds the fountain of youth... it's the way it is.
Cue the Bruce fans in 3,2,1.........
I love Bruce, but I think Pearl Jam songs are much more vocally demanding than Bruce’s songs
I would disagree. Bruce runs circles around any performer whether they are 20 or 50.
yeah it has to be tough on the pipes...my friend posted a video of Glorified G from the other night and the "always, keep it, loaded" vocal was pretty strained. I know Ed has said on stage that a song like Blood pretty much wipes out your vocals for the night.
but Grohl has really been hard on his voice...he screams all the time. No way that can last
I saw Foo Fighters in Atlanta and have no clue how he can scream on command like that. Pretty cool.
I wouldn't care if my show wasn't 3 hours. It's the content that matters. a band that is playing what and how long they want to play is a better band to see.
although if I got >20 songs I'd fucking torch the place.
jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Wrong! Go to a Phish concert if you want a jam session
PJ used to have incredible jams mixed in. Do you really want them to just rush through the songs and move on to the next? I think we all miss those awesome extended Porch's, RVM's etc. Hell I used to really look forward to the multiple daughter tags you get in a show and now you're lucky if you get more than one verse of ABITW...
I could honestly do without Porch and RVM for a while. They've become so predictable. One ends the 1st set, the other ends the 2nd. Every. Show. When they start jamming in either song is when I go take a piss & grab another beer, or just sit down for a while. I do miss the more creative Daughter tags of yore though.
jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Absolutely not.
Agreed. They are not a good enough jam band for that, despite the name, lol. Very few artists can get away with a ton of really extended jams while still holding the crowds complete attention and enthusiasm.
jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Wrong! Go to a Phish concert if you want a jam session
PJ used to have incredible jams mixed in. Do you really want them to just rush through the songs and move on to the next? I think we all miss those awesome extended Porch's, RVM's etc. Hell I used to really look forward to the multiple daughter tags you get in a show and now you're lucky if you get more than one verse of ABITW...
I could honestly do without Porch and RVM for a while. They've become so predictable. One ends the 1st set, the other ends the 2nd. Every. Show. When they start jamming in either song is when I go take a piss & grab another beer, or just sit down for a while. I do miss the more creative Daughter tags of yore though.
jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Absolutely not.
Agreed. They are not a good enough jam band for that, despite the name, lol. Very few artists can get away with a ton of really extended jams while still holding the crowds complete attention and enthusiasm.
Agree with this as well.
I still enjoy RVM but wouldn’t be opposed to Insignificance as a replacement...porch is the bathroom break for me. Even have time to hit the concessions...
jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Wrong! Go to a Phish concert if you want a jam session
PJ used to have incredible jams mixed in. Do you really want them to just rush through the songs and move on to the next? I think we all miss those awesome extended Porch's, RVM's etc. Hell I used to really look forward to the multiple daughter tags you get in a show and now you're lucky if you get more than one verse of ABITW...
I could honestly do without Porch and RVM for a while. They've become so predictable. One ends the 1st set, the other ends the 2nd. Every. Show. When they start jamming in either song is when I go take a piss & grab another beer, or just sit down for a while. I do miss the more creative Daughter tags of yore though.
jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Absolutely not.
Agreed. They are not a good enough jam band for that, despite the name, lol. Very few artists can get away with a ton of really extended jams while still holding the crowds complete attention and enthusiasm.
Agree with this as well.
3/29/94 Porch says this band can jam and jam well. Also see St. Louis 2000 for a terrific extended really extended RVM. And 3/6/03 for a "type 2" Immortality. I'll never understand wanting to hear the songs played just like they sound on the albums. To each their own I suppose.
"What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
top ten longest pj shows: so how many 3+ hour shows could there really be?
1) 3:21:18 - Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum Night 4) - 10/31/09 2) 3:20:00 - Mansfield, MA - 7/11/03 (estimated length - Counting Arc, not included on official release) 3) 3:16:48 - San Diego, CA - 11/21/2013 4) 3:15:42 - Oakland, CA - 11/26/13 5) 3:15.13 - Denver, CO - 10/22/14 6) 3:13.17 - Leeds, UK - 7/8/14 (Longest European show - includes Real Me, missing from bootleg) 7) 3:11:05 - Seattle, WA - 12/6/13 8) 3:10:22 - State College, PA - 5/3/03 9) 3:07.38 - Milwaukee, WI - 10/20/14 10) 3:07.37 - Milton Keynes, UK - 7/11/14
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jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Wrong! Go to a Phish concert if you want a jam session
PJ used to have incredible jams mixed in. Do you really want them to just rush through the songs and move on to the next? I think we all miss those awesome extended Porch's, RVM's etc. Hell I used to really look forward to the multiple daughter tags you get in a show and now you're lucky if you get more than one verse of ABITW...
I could honestly do without Porch and RVM for a while. They've become so predictable. One ends the 1st set, the other ends the 2nd. Every. Show. When they start jamming in either song is when I go take a piss & grab another beer, or just sit down for a while. I do miss the more creative Daughter tags of yore though.
jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming
Absolutely not.
Agreed. They are not a good enough jam band for that, despite the name, lol. Very few artists can get away with a ton of really extended jams while still holding the crowds complete attention and enthusiasm.
Agree with this as well.
3/29/94 Porch says this band can jam and jam well. Also see St. Louis
2000 for a terrific extended really extended RVM. And 3/6/03 for a
"type 2" Immortality. I'll never understand wanting to hear the songs
played just like they sound on the albums. To each their own I suppose.
I don't want to hear the songs played just like they sound on the albums at all, and PJ doesn't do that whether they jam or not. What I was saying is that PJ can't be a Neil Young or anything like that. PJ's jams are normally pretty much consistent from show to show - there isn't a ton of variation or creativity going on from performance to performance. Sure they've managed to pull out a few great jams - any band that can't do that isn't worth much. But I was responding to the call for them to regularly jam more, and my point was that I don't think PJ can pull that off on a regular basis. Their jamming skills just aren't up to snuff for that - i.e. to create new jams every show and have them actually be enthralling. The band has never shown any of us that they are capable of that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
They are getting old. How many 50+ year olds can you see running around for three hours and scream their heads off... It's a shame, but unless someone finds the fountain of youth... it's the way it is.
Looking at it from the "its our job" angle I do not know that many people that could sit at a desk job for 3 hours at 20 years old, and speaking for myself, I don't have the energy to stand in one spot for 3 hours. We are going to both Seattle shows and Chicago, so less time in concession lines.
There have been interviews (links on this board) where band members addressed the show length topic. The 2013 shows were getting out of hand, not everyone in the band was on board with 3 hours + when they're doing 4 shows a week. Some of this may be curfews, some the "new normal." Let's see how it plays out.
No one complained about this in 98 when they had a 70+ song catalog and they averaged 25 songs a night. The shows flowed really well. Energy never waned.
There have been interviews (links on this board) where band members addressed the show length topic. The 2013 shows were getting out of hand, not everyone in the band was on board with 3 hours + when they're doing 4 shows a week. Some of this may be curfews, some the "new normal." Let's see how it plays out.
Yeah, well it had to happen eventually. They weren't going to be able to have that kind of stamina indefinitely. Now seems as good a time as any to start scaling it back, before someone starts looking uncomfortably exhausted before the last song. I've been to shows where the artist goes harder and/or longer (that's what she said) than he was really capable of, and it actually turned the show into a bit of a downer. Everyone was worried about them more than they were enjoying the show. I remember Mike Watt did it and everyone seriously thought he was having another heart attack. When he came back for the encore, everyone really just wanted him to stop before he dropped dead.
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My high school is in that video. NJ loves Bruce
I love longer shows but I kind of agree with this. The encores were getting a little predictable. I would rather have a shorter show with the shows not ending similarly from night to night.
now..as for amsterdam cos i was there,.and word was band to be on stage 8.pm exact i know that..,,but as always tons of people fuck around get drunk and not go to ga or to their seats,.,so they wait venue to look full..
\plus,they need to finish early cos oif cerfew plus the venue is 17k and all leave with train - metro,.,therei s no other way..so cant play till mindnight,cos then 17k will stuck there with no0 option to leave wth transportation
eddie showed his wrist about time to the rest of the band night oine and night 2 he talk to ther band to keep playing and no second encore,again cos of time
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Regardless, if the quality of the sets remain as high as the one last night...than I wouldn't waste my breath complaining about shorter shows!
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RIP: Andy, Kurt, Chris
PJ used to have incredible jams mixed in. Do you really want them to just rush through the songs and move on to the next? I think we all miss those awesome extended Porch's, RVM's etc. Hell I used to really look forward to the multiple daughter tags you get in a show and now you're lucky if you get more than one verse of ABITW...
I would disagree. Bruce runs circles around any performer whether they are 20 or 50.
I'm fine with shorter shows though.
I saw Foo Fighters in Atlanta and have no clue how he can scream on command like that. Pretty cool.
although if I got >20 songs I'd fucking torch the place.
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Agree with this as well.
Average age of band around 53 years old? And we still got them touring and playing 2.5 hour sets? I'd say we're all pretty blessed.
1) 3:21:18 - Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum Night 4) - 10/31/09
2) 3:20:00 - Mansfield, MA - 7/11/03 (estimated length - Counting Arc, not included on official release)
3) 3:16:48 - San Diego, CA - 11/21/2013
4) 3:15:42 - Oakland, CA - 11/26/13
5) 3:15.13 - Denver, CO - 10/22/14
6) 3:13.17 - Leeds, UK - 7/8/14 (Longest European show - includes Real Me, missing from bootleg)
7) 3:11:05 - Seattle, WA - 12/6/13
8) 3:10:22 - State College, PA - 5/3/03
9) 3:07.38 - Milwaukee, WI - 10/20/14
10) 3:07.37 - Milton Keynes, UK - 7/11/14
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I don't want to hear the songs played just like they sound on the albums at all, and PJ doesn't do that whether they jam or not. What I was saying is that PJ can't be a Neil Young or anything like that. PJ's jams are normally pretty much consistent from show to show - there isn't a ton of variation or creativity going on from performance to performance. Sure they've managed to pull out a few great jams - any band that can't do that isn't worth much. But I was responding to the call for them to regularly jam more, and my point was that I don't think PJ can pull that off on a regular basis. Their jamming skills just aren't up to snuff for that - i.e. to create new jams every show and have them actually be enthralling. The band has never shown any of us that they are capable of that.
Most of PJ’s peers played 20 songs a night. Even with that you’re getting your money’s worth