i_lov_it said:

Gern Blansten said:

Please go smoke another bowl

Well come on *You're Blanched*...surely you can offer more than this...Hmmmmmmmmm???

You need to get over your fixation. It is unhealthy. 

i_lov_it said:

Gern Blansten said:

Please go smoke another bowl

Well come on *You're Blanched*...surely you can offer more than this...Hmmmmmmmmm???

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Utterly absurd to teach kids how to safely handle a firearm and shoot? The kids were in high school, not 4-9. You can’t own a gun until 18 but you can legally hunt and handle a gun around the age of ten. 

you seriously don't see how asinine it is to allow a 10-15 year old to hunt and handle a gun?  i just can't fathom how anyone can think that is ok. 

I see it perfectly normal . My kids will hunt with me when they turn ten but to each their own. 

so where do you and the others here who see nothing wrong with a 10 year old shooting a gun draw the line?  will you share alcohol with them to promote alcohol safety? will you let them drive to promote automobile safety? what else, besides guns, do you allow them to handle to teach safety at such an early age? is it ONLY guns you allow at such a young age?  and if so why? i'm curious about the mind set here. 

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Utterly absurd to teach kids how to safely handle a firearm and shoot? The kids were in high school, not 4-9. You can’t own a gun until 18 but you can legally hunt and handle a gun around the age of ten. 

you seriously don't see how asinine it is to allow a 10-15 year old to hunt and handle a gun?  i just can't fathom how anyone can think that is ok. 

I see it perfectly normal . My kids will hunt with me when they turn ten but to each their own. 

so where do you and the others here who see nothing wrong with a 10 year old shooting a gun draw the line?  will you share alcohol with them to promote alcohol safety? will you let them drive to promote automobile safety? what else, besides guns, do you allow them to handle to teach safety at such an early age? is it ONLY guns you allow at such a young age?  and if so why? i'm curious about the mind set here. 

All of those other things would be illegal. There is nothing illegal about letting a 10-year old shoot a gun. Maybe it isn't your thing, that's fine.
I shot my first gun at 10. But it was more of a father-son thing than teaching me about safety. We spent a lot of time on safety though. I probably wouldn't want to be at a range next to a 10-year-old with an AK-47. My dad took us out to the woods to go shooting without anyone else around, and spent a lot of time on safety before I got to take my first shot.
My dad was a cop, guns were part of his job. He kept them locked up and away from us. We would go 2-3 times a year. It was something we both looked forward to every time. I was probably 15 before I shot anything other than a .22.

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Utterly absurd to teach kids how to safely handle a firearm and shoot? The kids were in high school, not 4-9. You can’t own a gun until 18 but you can legally hunt and handle a gun around the age of ten. 

you seriously don't see how asinine it is to allow a 10-15 year old to hunt and handle a gun?  i just can't fathom how anyone can think that is ok. 

I see it perfectly normal . My kids will hunt with me when they turn ten but to each their own. 

so where do you and the others here who see nothing wrong with a 10 year old shooting a gun draw the line?  will you share alcohol with them to promote alcohol safety? will you let them drive to promote automobile safety? what else, besides guns, do you allow them to handle to teach safety at such an early age? is it ONLY guns you allow at such a young age?  and if so why? i'm curious about the mind set here. 

When I was younger, my father limited me to certain guns: in particular, a .22 and a .410 shotgun. It was only as I got older,stronger and displayed competency that I 'graduated' to larger caliber guns like my dad's .30-06.

Teaching kids gun safety, respect for guns and how to handle them at an early age is wise- otherwise... they're staring down the barrel wondering why the gun never went off after they pulled the trigger.

* And again (it seems as if this point is either stupid or lost on people)... there is NO solution for the short term. The country needs to begin taking the steps so that in 10-20 years... a difference can be made. People have sacrificed more for quality of life (young American men buried in Europe for example). It's time to admit to necessity and embrace a meaningful change effort.

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Utterly absurd to teach kids how to safely handle a firearm and shoot? The kids were in high school, not 4-9. You can’t own a gun until 18 but you can legally hunt and handle a gun around the age of ten. 

you seriously don't see how asinine it is to allow a 10-15 year old to hunt and handle a gun?  i just can't fathom how anyone can think that is ok. 

I see it perfectly normal . My kids will hunt with me when they turn ten but to each their own. 

so where do you and the others here who see nothing wrong with a 10 year old shooting a gun draw the line?  will you share alcohol with them to promote alcohol safety? will you let them drive to promote automobile safety? what else, besides guns, do you allow them to handle to teach safety at such an early age? is it ONLY guns you allow at such a young age?  and if so why? i'm curious about the mind set here. 

If you aren't teaching about all those things you mentioned at an early age then you aren't parenting or teaching...

I used to sit on my fathers lap as a kid and steer the car, got to drive a go cart and golf cart at an early age too.  Was taught about drinking, drugs and sex at a young age.

Teaching about alcohol doesn’t equate to giving kids alcohol. Teaching about driving safely doesn’t equate to letting kids drive. Why should shooting a gun be different? 

Because the children hunting is not a damn issue.  They are not the ones shooting up schools.  The ones that are seems to be ones with too much time on their hands and parents that do not spend quality time with them doing things like hunting.  Hunting is no more of a causal factor than video games.  Would you rather a child that has been hunting since they were 10 purchasing a rifle at 18 or the kid whose only experience with guns is through Call of Duty purchasing one at 18?

The other thing that seems to be happening is these events only occuring in well to do Schools not Schools in the hood as the term goes or in minority communities i wonder why ? we've already talked about private schools but Schools that are in poor neighborhoods not so much ....

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Utterly absurd to teach kids how to safely handle a firearm and shoot? The kids were in high school, not 4-9. You can’t own a gun until 18 but you can legally hunt and handle a gun around the age of ten. 

you seriously don't see how asinine it is to allow a 10-15 year old to hunt and handle a gun?  i just can't fathom how anyone can think that is ok. 

I see it perfectly normal . My kids will hunt with me when they turn ten but to each their own. 

so where do you and the others here who see nothing wrong with a 10 year old shooting a gun draw the line?  will you share alcohol with them to promote alcohol safety? will you let them drive to promote automobile safety? what else, besides guns, do you allow them to handle to teach safety at such an early age? is it ONLY guns you allow at such a young age?  and if so why? i'm curious about the mind set here. 

If you aren't teaching about all those things you mentioned at an early age then you aren't parenting or teaching...

I used to sit on my fathers lap as a kid and steer the car, got to drive a go cart and golf cart at an early age too.  Was taught about drinking, drugs and sex at a young age.

Teaching about alcohol doesn’t equate to giving kids alcohol. Teaching about driving safely doesn’t equate to letting kids drive. Why should shooting a gun be different? 

I guess I was different because I got to shoot and drive at a young age?

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Utterly absurd to teach kids how to safely handle a firearm and shoot? The kids were in high school, not 4-9. You can’t own a gun until 18 but you can legally hunt and handle a gun around the age of ten. 

you seriously don't see how asinine it is to allow a 10-15 year old to hunt and handle a gun?  i just can't fathom how anyone can think that is ok. 

I see it perfectly normal . My kids will hunt with me when they turn ten but to each their own. 

so where do you and the others here who see nothing wrong with a 10 year old shooting a gun draw the line?  will you share alcohol with them to promote alcohol safety? will you let them drive to promote automobile safety? what else, besides guns, do you allow them to handle to teach safety at such an early age? is it ONLY guns you allow at such a young age?  and if so why? i'm curious about the mind set here. 

If you aren't teaching about all those things you mentioned at an early age then you aren't parenting or teaching...

I used to sit on my fathers lap as a kid and steer the car, got to drive a go cart and golf cart at an early age too.  Was taught about drinking, drugs and sex at a young age.

Teaching about alcohol doesn’t equate to giving kids alcohol. Teaching about driving safely doesn’t equate to letting kids drive. Why should shooting a gun be different? 

I guess I was different because I got to shoot and drive at a young age?

Do you think letting kids drink and letting them drive (not drink and drive) at a young age is still a good idea?