Jobs at risk due to automation - what to do?

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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,846
    brianlux said:
    Automation shmotomation.  My &**^%#@ internet service is down at home which means I only have a few movements when I'm at work to catch up, pay bills, etc.  This world of electronics on my end is flawed.  Probably won't be able to be on here much for a while.

     Later, friends.
    Wait, all your replies have been during your "movements" at work? Thats a lot of movements, must have caught that stomach bug too.
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    tempo_n_groove said:
    bbiggs said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I went to see the Foo Fighters this weekend and they turned all the lights off and asked the crowd to turn on their cell phone lights. It was amazing how lit up the venue became (you could hardly see the stage when dark and then could see it fine).  I could help but think though that we are all just becoming machines and slaves to our technology.
    That scares the hell out of me as a parent. 
    When I bought the first i-phone ten years ago it was a really big deal.  No one had one.  I was always excited to see someone else with one.  Now everyone and their mother owns a smart phone/i-phone.  Ride a train or a bus and everyone is looking down.  Eye contact is becoming awkward for some now...
    This is so true. Everyone’s default comfort zone is to grab their device and look away rather than interact. It’s sad. Society is becoming a bunch of smartphone dependent zombies with little or no ability to interact. 
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Also, no one wants to talk these days, even in business. It’s all email, IM or text. I think it’s because younger generations have grown up on these devices and lack social skills as a result. Technology has its benefits, but these are the trade offs unfortunately. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    My bosses wife is a 1st grade teacher in a wealthy public school district. The teachers at the school are discussing the challenge of dealing with 1st graders who don’t know how to look up, make eye contact and engage the teacher and their classmates or what to do with themselves at recess. Apparently, they’re afraid to speak up in class and just stand around at recess. 1st graders lost with a smart phone or IPad to play with.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Automation shmotomation.  My &**^%#@ internet service is down at home which means I only have a few movements when I'm at work to catch up, pay bills, etc.  This world of electronics on my end is flawed.  Probably won't be able to be on here much for a while.

     Later, friends.
    Wait, all your replies have been during your "movements" at work? Thats a lot of movements, must have caught that stomach bug too.
    LOL,  no I meant "moments".  By "at work I mean at the store and I rarely post from the store.  I work a lot at home which gives me the opportunity to check in here fairly often.

    In any case, my internet is back up.  It does this from time to time just to fuck with my head.  There never seems to be a reason.  I think it's AI messing with me because it is pissed about the things I've said about it.  AI is a touchy little fucker.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited April 2018
    bbiggs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    bbiggs said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I went to see the Foo Fighters this weekend and they turned all the lights off and asked the crowd to turn on their cell phone lights. It was amazing how lit up the venue became (you could hardly see the stage when dark and then could see it fine).  I could help but think though that we are all just becoming machines and slaves to our technology.
    That scares the hell out of me as a parent. 
    When I bought the first i-phone ten years ago it was a really big deal.  No one had one.  I was always excited to see someone else with one.  Now everyone and their mother owns a smart phone/i-phone.  Ride a train or a bus and everyone is looking down.  Eye contact is becoming awkward for some now...
    This is so true. Everyone’s default comfort zone is to grab their device and look away rather than interact. It’s sad. Society is becoming a bunch of smartphone dependent zombies with little or no ability to interact. 
    Exactly!  One of the things that is cool about working in a bookstore is getting to talk to real people about interesting stuff. 

    I still write cards and letters too.  In fact, any one here can PM me your mailing address and I'll send you a post card.  Its fun and its real!
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • bbiggs
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My bosses wife is a 1st grade teacher in a wealthy public school district. The teachers at the school are discussing the challenge of dealing with 1st graders who don’t know how to look up, make eye contact and engage the teacher and their classmates or what to do with themselves at recess. Apparently, they’re afraid to speak up in class and just stand around at recess. 1st graders lost with a smart phone or IPad to play with.
    That’s horrific. I am a parent to a 1st grader and this is exactly why I try my hardest to limit the iPad usage. I will say in my personal experience that my daughter and her friends/classmates all seem to interact and engage normally. I volunteer at the school from time to time so I’ve been able to witness the classroom interaction and it’s all normal for the most part, but bigger picture this is a huge problem society is faced with. 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My bosses wife is a 1st grade teacher in a wealthy public school district. The teachers at the school are discussing the challenge of dealing with 1st graders who don’t know how to look up, make eye contact and engage the teacher and their classmates or what to do with themselves at recess. Apparently, they’re afraid to speak up in class and just stand around at recess. 1st graders lost with a smart phone or IPad to play with.
    Honestly, I don't enjoy throwing this person under the bus, but I doubt that's true.  I'd bet pretty strongly that she has a personal bias toward tech and kids using tech that she uses the kids to prop up.  Kids haven't forgotten how to run around like silly kids, they just haven't.
    I think much of the "we are forgetting how to communicate" talk is the same bunk baloney.
    Talking to strangers in public was never something most people enjoyed.  Eye contact has always been awkward!!  Eye contact is an intimate experience that has deep, emotional positive and negative effects in primates.  Stare at a gorilla at the zoo and see what happens.
    Before iPhone, people read books and did crossword puzzles to avoid small talk with strangers.  Same same.
    People don't talk on the phone as much because it's an inefficient and ineffective way to communicate much of the time!!
    Does no one remember calling their friends and spending half an hour saying, "what do you want to do? I dunno, what about you?  I dunno.". Texting and emailing allows you to be concise, to have time to organise your thoughts before you relay them and have time to react to new information, including making believable excuses to get out of things.  In the business world, that can be absolutely huge for the vast majority of the population which isn't exceptionally eloquent on the fly.

    People (old people mostly lol) resist change and treat new things unfairly. 
    I'm not saying that these criticisms are devoid of truth, but they are way overblown.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    edited May 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Has anyone ever been to a Sonic?  My first time was down here in TX, we definitely didn't have them in NY.  It's about as simple an ordering system as I've seen.  You order from a touch screen that is at every car parking space, so there's probably like 30 of them.  You pay via same touch screen.  You continue to sit in car, fart, get fatter.  Minimum wage earning human walks or roller-skates your order over to you, gives food, gives napkin and ketchup and maybe a mint, walks away.  Fat American slams food into gaping maw, drips condiments onto clothes, farts, burps, drives away.

    Theres probably like 2-3 people making food inside, 1 manager, 2 or three roller skaters.  I feel like their ordering system must eliminate about 3 humans.
    this was the business model of A&W in the 70's, except it wasn't automated, it was a voice/call box. same thing, girls on roller skates, the whole family ate in the car. it died a slow death. i'm surprised to hear it came back in automated form! 
    Some White Spot locations still do this in BC.... You flash your lights or honk, and someone comes out to the car and takes your order, they give you that table that stretches from window to window and everything ... I get the impression that people do it for nostalgia, because yeah, drive-ins like this were really popular way back in the 50s, and I remember it was pretty common still when I was a little kid in the early 80s. Definitely not a new idea or one that I think of going hand-in-hand with a scourge of laziness.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    edited May 2018
    rgambs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My bosses wife is a 1st grade teacher in a wealthy public school district. The teachers at the school are discussing the challenge of dealing with 1st graders who don’t know how to look up, make eye contact and engage the teacher and their classmates or what to do with themselves at recess. Apparently, they’re afraid to speak up in class and just stand around at recess. 1st graders lost with a smart phone or IPad to play with.
    Honestly, I don't enjoy throwing this person under the bus, but I doubt that's true.  I'd bet pretty strongly that she has a personal bias toward tech and kids using tech that she uses the kids to prop up.  Kids haven't forgotten how to run around like silly kids, they just haven't.
    I think much of the "we are forgetting how to communicate" talk is the same bunk baloney.
    Talking to strangers in public was never something most people enjoyed.  Eye contact has always been awkward!!  Eye contact is an intimate experience that has deep, emotional positive and negative effects in primates.  Stare at a gorilla at the zoo and see what happens.
    Before iPhone, people read books and did crossword puzzles to avoid small talk with strangers.  Same same.
    People don't talk on the phone as much because it's an inefficient and ineffective way to communicate much of the time!!
    Does no one remember calling their friends and spending half an hour saying, "what do you want to do? I dunno, what about you?  I dunno.". Texting and emailing allows you to be concise, to have time to organise your thoughts before you relay them and have time to react to new information, including making believable excuses to get out of things.  In the business world, that can be absolutely huge for the vast majority of the population which isn't exceptionally eloquent on the fly.

    People (old people mostly lol) resist change and treat new things unfairly. 
    I'm not saying that these criticisms are devoid of truth, but they are way overblown.
    I agree. I know a lot of people with little kids, and I have NEVER seen any of them or any of their friends acting like this, nor any random kids just in public. Sounds like paranoid bullshit to me, or at least a massive exaggeration. And from what I've observed, kids are probably more negatively affected by being under literally constant adult supervision than they are iphones.... Not that I don't support severely limiting screen time for children. I do. They should be outside playing.... without supervision whenever possible.
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  • unsung
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  • brianlux
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    unsung said:
    Modern day teaching.
    You're on a roll, unsung.  :lol:
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:
    Modern day teaching.
    What decade do you wish you could live in? Please share your utopian vision of where everything was right and where you wish it were.
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  • unsung
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    To start it wouldn't involve taxing me to death to fit someone else's delusion of a living wage that they think they are entitled to.
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    A blending of 2 threads, but since you brought it up here.
    Taxing to death? Literally the tax increases needed to effectively fund education would equate to about $30 or $40 per person a YEAR in the state of Colorado. Many people spend more than that a week at Starbucks. That, to you, is being taxed to death in order to fund education?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    unsung said:
    To start it wouldn't involve taxing me to death to fit someone else's delusion of a living wage that they think they are entitled to.
    So you would have liked to live pre-1930s, excluding a few periods when it was applied temporarily. No income taxes or sales taxes back then.... most of the government's revenue came from liquor, import, and property taxes. And if you lived in the places where the taxes were the lowest... well, you'd probably be living all on your own without roads and amenities and utilities and shit, and without owning property probably, but hey, you'd be free of this incredible burden that you suffer under now.... Which brings me to wonder why you aren't living off the grid. If you hate taxes that much, why are you still living a life that supports the tax system? You don't have to you know.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mace1229 said:
    A blending of 2 threads, but since you brought it up here.
    Taxing to death? Literally the tax increases needed to effectively fund education would equate to about $30 or $40 per person a YEAR in the state of Colorado. Many people spend more than that a week at Starbucks. That, to you, is being taxed to death in order to fund education?
    $30 to $40 a year?  I'd be good with that.  Heck yeah.
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  • rgambs
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    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    To start it wouldn't involve taxing me to death to fit someone else's delusion of a living wage that they think they are entitled to.
    So you would have liked to live pre-1930s, excluding a few periods when it was applied temporarily. No income taxes or sales taxes back then.... most of the government's revenue came from liquor, import, and property taxes. And if you lived in the places where the taxes were the lowest... well, you'd probably be living all on your own without roads and amenities and utilities and shit, and without owning property probably, but hey, you'd be free of this incredible burden that you suffer under now.... Which brings me to wonder why you aren't living off the grid. If you hate taxes that much, why are you still living a life that supports the tax system? You don't have to you know.
    No, no, no.
    Unsung would be John Galt himself and he would be married to Dagny Taggart and they would build a private utopia with their own hands and no stinkin government on their back.
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