oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Gee, no one saw this coming. Condolences to the family and friends and I have to hope that when the family sues, they win BIG. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348

That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero. 

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Gee, no one saw this coming. Condolences to the family and friends and I have to hope that when the family sues, they win BIG. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348

That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero. 

I agree. Driverless cars are WAAAAY safer than human operated ones. Nothing is ever 100%, but driverless sure gets us closer to it than dumb human drivers ever will. I hope we're ALL driverless in my lifetime... it will shrink accidents/traffic deaths to a tiny number, and it will also pretty much elimimate all traffic jams. I honestly could not care less about people "liking" the control they have as drivers, considering the benefits of getting the wheel out of all their hands.

I'd rather see well trained human drivers over driverless any day.  It's too damn easy to get a driver's license in most places.  I'm blown away by how many unskilled drivers are out there. 

We seem to always look for ridiculous answers to solvable problems.  If every city and most towns had dependable public transit, and more people ride shared,  walked and/or rode bicycles, combined errands to reduce the number of outings, and those who do drive were to be required to pass rigorous written and driving tests, we wouldn't need these ridiculous Uber cars.

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Gee, no one saw this coming. Condolences to the family and friends and I have to hope that when the family sues, they win BIG. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348

That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero. 

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Gee, no one saw this coming. Condolences to the family and friends and I have to hope that when the family sues, they win BIG. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348

That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero. 

I agree. Driverless cars are WAAAAY safer than human operated ones. Nothing is ever 100%, but driverless sure gets us closer to it than dumb human drivers ever will. I hope we're ALL driverless in my lifetime... it will shrink accidents/traffic deaths to a tiny number, and it will also pretty much elimimate all traffic jams. I honestly could not care less about people "liking" the control they have as drivers, considering the benefits of getting the wheel out of all their hands.

I'd rather see well trained human drivers over driverless any day.  It's too damn easy to get a driver's license in most places.  I'm blown away by how many unskilled drivers are out there. 

We seem to always look for ridiculous answers to solvable problems.  If every city and most towns had dependable public transit, and more people ride shared,  walked and/or rode bicycles, combined errands to reduce the number of outings, and those who do drive were to be required to pass rigorous written and driving tests, we wouldn't need these ridiculous Uber cars.

I’m a big fan of public transit, and I’m a cycle commuter, so I don’t disagree with that part of your post at all. I do disagree that we can remove human error from complex tasks. Humans are human; they get tired and distracted and intoxicated, and even at best they only have human reaction times. 

I am in favour of far fewer cars on the road, but I don’t see driverless cars as inherently ridiculous at all. 

I see driverless cars as part of the ongoing quest for Car Happy Americas.  A driverless car is still just one car with only one to four, maybe 5 max people in it.  Ultimately, unsustainable.  I also see it as part of a bigger scheme to replace humans with machines, with the ultimate goal of turning humans into machines.  That is where all this and (especially) artificial intelligence are trying to lead us.

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Gee, no one saw this coming. Condolences to the family and friends and I have to hope that when the family sues, they win BIG. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348

That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero. 

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Gee, no one saw this coming. Condolences to the family and friends and I have to hope that when the family sues, they win BIG. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348

That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero. 

I agree. Driverless cars are WAAAAY safer than human operated ones. Nothing is ever 100%, but driverless sure gets us closer to it than dumb human drivers ever will. I hope we're ALL driverless in my lifetime... it will shrink accidents/traffic deaths to a tiny number, and it will also pretty much elimimate all traffic jams. I honestly could not care less about people "liking" the control they have as drivers, considering the benefits of getting the wheel out of all their hands.

I'd rather see well trained human drivers over driverless any day.  It's too damn easy to get a driver's license in most places.  I'm blown away by how many unskilled drivers are out there. 

We seem to always look for ridiculous answers to solvable problems.  If every city and most towns had dependable public transit, and more people ride shared,  walked and/or rode bicycles, combined errands to reduce the number of outings, and those who do drive were to be required to pass rigorous written and driving tests, we wouldn't need these ridiculous Uber cars.

I doesn't matter how well trained people are. They will still have WAY more accidents than driverless cars, and they will still be the cause of almost all traffic jams. You are putting WAY too much faith in human choices and behaviour and ability IMO.
I am not sure why you think this is a "ridiculous" thing Brian.

I'd rather people remain people.  I'd rather people occasionally fuck up rather than become slaves to their machines and eventually become machines themselves.

Liberal plan to legalize pot survives Senate vote

https://globalnews.ca/news/4100321/marijuana-legalization-bill-c45-passes-senate/

Now it's off to committee.  

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Gee, no one saw this coming. Condolences to the family and friends and I have to hope that when the family sues, they win BIG. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348

That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero. 

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Gee, no one saw this coming. Condolences to the family and friends and I have to hope that when the family sues, they win BIG. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348

That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero. 

I agree. Driverless cars are WAAAAY safer than human operated ones. Nothing is ever 100%, but driverless sure gets us closer to it than dumb human drivers ever will. I hope we're ALL driverless in my lifetime... it will shrink accidents/traffic deaths to a tiny number, and it will also pretty much elimimate all traffic jams. I honestly could not care less about people "liking" the control they have as drivers, considering the benefits of getting the wheel out of all their hands.

I'd rather see well trained human drivers over driverless any day.  It's too damn easy to get a driver's license in most places.  I'm blown away by how many unskilled drivers are out there. 

We seem to always look for ridiculous answers to solvable problems.  If every city and most towns had dependable public transit, and more people ride shared,  walked and/or rode bicycles, combined errands to reduce the number of outings, and those who do drive were to be required to pass rigorous written and driving tests, we wouldn't need these ridiculous Uber cars.

I doesn't matter how well trained people are. They will still have WAY more accidents than driverless cars, and they will still be the cause of almost all traffic jams. You are putting WAY too much faith in human choices and behaviour and ability IMO.
I am not sure why you think this is a "ridiculous" thing Brian.

I'd rather people remain people.  I'd rather people occasionally fuck up rather than become slaves to their machines and eventually become machines themselves.

Occasionally? In the USA alone, "In 2010 alone, 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 of with fatalities, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000. About 2,000 children under 16 die every year in traffic collisions. Records indicate that there has been a total of 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013."

You prefer THAT to driverless cars?? And how would people be "slaves to their machines" with driverless cars?? Can you imagine how much more people could get done and how much less stress would be in their lives if they didn't have to deal with traffic everyday?
You must REALLY hate rapid transit solutions too Brian - all those trains with no conductors! I mean, I just don't understand this slave statement at all. You are against all technology that radically increases safety, efficiency, reduced stress and commuter times? Or is it JUST driverless cars for some reason? Also, geez, people are slaves to their cars NOW because of all the expenses, the gas prices, and ALL that time stuck in traffic. Driverless would improve all of those things, not make it worse. You're acting like people would somehow be physically melded with cars, lol. I don't understand how you think people wouldn't remain people here. If anything, they'd have more time to chill and "be people".

Sorry Brian, but I don't really feel like you are using any real logic here. You're being 100% emotional about it... and I'm not quite sure where the emotion could be based... Do you just love steering? I don't really get it.

Yes, there are FAR too many car-related injuries and deaths, that I wholeheartedly agree with.  But why is that?  A number of reasons such as:

#1 reason: Too many bad and poorly trained drivers.  It's too easy to get a drivers license. 
Plus,
Too many people.
Too many people driving needlessly because they don't ride share, combine trips, live far from their work.
Too few people using mass and public transit.

I'm not sure what you mean by no conductors.  Most large rail services use conductors.  Light rail generally does well without them and drivers are isolated from passengers for their protection.  I'm OK with that.  Buses rarely have had conductors.  In general, I think public transit works well.  I've relied on public transit much of my life.  Not as much now, but I work out of home much of the time and ride share and combine errands when working in town and I live in a place that has poor mass transit.  And I'm working on finding a way to get out of this county.

No, I don't see driverless cars as a good solution.  That may reduce the number of cars on the road in some cases but not enough, so it doesn't deal with the problems of too many cars, too many people, too many unnecessary trips and people living too far from their work.  Car happy suburban America (or other first world parts of the world) is an outmoded, illogical way too live.  Driving to the store for one quart of milk is a selfish and illogical manner of using individual transportation.  7.2 billion humans is an illogical threat to the survival of our species.

I honestly don't see my thinking as being emotion based here.  I see it as logical. 

tbergs said:

Moving on from the Tide Pod challenge to the Snort a Condom challenge. So very stupid. At least it's not a used condom snorting challenge.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/02/condom-snorting-challenge-every-parents-worst-nightmare/477431002/

Makes snorting ants seem kind of normal.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Here's an idiot of the bizarrely negligent variety (I am seriously shaking my head here):

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/987025539285340161?s=21

Oh My .... how did she even got that job???