Western media lies about Syria exposed (Canadian journalist Eva Bartlett)

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  • Posts: 17,117
    I mean, come the fuck on... this is too easy

    I'm supposed to believe Assad and Putin are the good guys in the world

    LOL


  • Posts: 17,117
    The US followed by Russia.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2017/02/10-countries-export-major-weapons-170220170539801.html
    Seems Russia is giving the US a run for the money... and based on those numbers, its safe to assume the Russian economy is much more reliant on arms sales for success... in GDP it's not even close, Russia would have a HUGE edge in arms as a % of GDP
  • Posts: 17,117
    polaris_x said:

    Show me the video of massive anti-gov't protests in Syria.  
    I just googled "Syrian Protests" and literally got thousands of links showing, documenting, and discussing large scale protests with countless pictures and I'm sure videos... plenty of articles and reporting on the brutal crackdown as well... pick any of the thousands... I dont need to read a blog post... the evidence is totally overwhelming that goes against your Assad is the good guy theory 

    You act like the Arab Spring didn't happen? 
  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,660
    The US followed by Russia.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2017/02/10-countries-export-major-weapons-170220170539801.html


    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russian-billboard-features-trump-and-putin/

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  • Posts: 31,550
    Yeah the argument that ASSAD or PUTIN are good guys i ain't buying or Orange Bafoon too all three of these dispicable human beings should be on a rocket to mars with no return fuel ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Posts: 42,016
    Yeah the argument that ASSAD or PUTIN are good guys i ain't buying or Orange Bafoon too all three of these dispicable human beings should be on a rocket to mars with no return fuel ....
    Why sully Mars? What did it ever do to you?
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,660
    Why sully Mars? What did it ever do to you?
    Yeah really, not Mars - They're sending the first colonists there in only 13 years. Better send them to Uranus instead.
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  • Posts: 42,016
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah really, not Mars - They're sending the first colonists there in only 13 years. Better send them to Uranus instead.
    No, no, no, not my anus, your anus.
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  • Posts: 42,016
    Let’s see what the inspectors find on Saturday and whether they even gain access to the site(s).

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/12/601783524/douma-is-now-controlled-by-syrias-government-russia-says
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  • Posts: 31,550
    lol ok i almost choked on an orange im eatin damn i love Oranges just not the one who is Orange ...
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,660
    No, no, no, not my anus, your anus.
    :lol: How about send them to Paul Ryan's anus - I hear he's finally ready to unclench.
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  • Posts: 13,559
    I notice he said "probably" fake. Not fake. Not "confirmed" fake. "Probably." Seems he doesn't even know with certainty whether the images were faked. Also, @polaris_x you said that the inspectors weren't allowed in and yet your source is claiming that they're there, in Damascus waiting to go to Douma. Why is Assad holding them back?

    I, for one, with a whole lot of other Americans, didn't believe the WMD line of reasoning from the war criminals Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld for one minute. What is happening in Syria is happening for one reason and one reason only, Israel, who by the way was found to be buying ISIS oil and has a very strategic interest in the Golan Heights. If the US wants to mess with Iran, we don't need Syria to do it. For the record, US Middle East policy has been misguided for a very long time and continues to be so. Sect politics is very nasty and Assad is gullty of playing them. He has no choice.
    He says probably fake because that is the objective and rational thing to say.  He's not actually there.  He says probably because of the history of the other chemical attacks that were proven to not have happened - if he said 100% it didn't happen, he would be lying because he doesn't really know for sure.  It's like me saying Bill Cosby probably drugged and raped those women but I don't know for sure because I wasn't in the room.

    I said the Russians vetoed the US resolution associated with the inspectors because of a rider they put in there associated with deadly force.  The same rider they used to fuck up Libya.  They weren't going to allow that to happen again.  Assad most definitely wants independent observers and experts to come.  If you look online - there are many people who have dissected the videos and shown massive inconsistencies ... bodies moved, holes that appear in one shot and then not another.  The quality of these videos is surprisingly really weak. 
  • Posts: 13,559
    Yeah the argument that ASSAD or PUTIN are good guys i ain't buying or Orange Bafoon too all three of these dispicable human beings should be on a rocket to mars with no return fuel ....
    I'd take Assad over Putin any day.  The issue here isn't that they are the salt of the earth.  The issue here in Syria is that it is a sovereign country that has a rich history.  They are currently being occupied by extremists forces (ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al-Nusra Front).  All these groups have been armed through proxies in Turkey and other countries in an effort to destabilize the country.  The issue here is that people need the objective facts - not be informed strictly through propaganda sources.

    I've provided some alternative viewpoints from people who are on the ground in Syria.  Some of these independent journalists have also covered the story in Gaza.  Why has no one bothered to try and gain a different perspective? 

    Misinformation and propaganda campaigns are tried and trued forms of public manipulation. 
  • Posts: 13,559
    The other thing I find tragic is that the US which operates Guantanamo Bay, has rendition and torture programs and who just appointed John Fucking War Monger Bolton as National Security Adviser is more credible to some people here than Independent journalists and whistleblowers and priests.
  • Posts: 13,559
    here is the syrian position on the chemical weapons OPCW inspectors

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=TIfSBuJFrVU

  • Posts: 9,478
    To suggest that all these gas attacks are faked and that all these governments and independent media organizations are in on it would mean a conspiracy so vast that it involves thousands of people. Including many journalists who I have come to respect over dozens of years of reporting. For what exactly? I'm just not buying it. 
  • Posts: 13,559
    dignin said:
    To suggest that all these gas attacks are faked and that all these governments and independent media organizations are in on it would mean a conspiracy so vast that it involves thousands of people. Including many journalists who I have come to respect over dozens of years of reporting. For what exactly? I'm just not buying it. 
    There are no international media on the ground in syria - that is the basis of the original video in the original post.  The international media are getting there information from inside Lebanon or Turkey.  The only independent journalists that are there all report the same thing.  All their sources are the same - this latest round of gas attack (following the same script of terrorist group just about to lose scenario - happened twice already) is based on videos supplied by the White Helmets.  This organization is the biggest fraud out there as they are the propaganada PR arm of the terrorists.  There are a plethora of videos showing these guys are not rescuers.  Just google white helmets mannequin challenge. 

    Is Seymour Hersh a respectied journalist of yours?  Read what he has to say on Syria.
  • Posts: 42,016
    How do we know that the Syrian ambassador to the UN is not just another version of Baghdad Bob? And fuck John Bolton. I don’t give his world view an ounce of credence. And how do we know that the videos you referenced are also not propaganda? Were you in Syria? Then how do you know? You made that claim about Bill Cosby. As for the targeting of civilians? It happens all the time because armed forces, particularly rebel armed forces don’t mass 60+ in a basement. The strategy is to go after the women, children and elderly of the rebel fighters. Weren’t they, the rebels,  given safe passage out of the besieged section of Douma to points north? Your arguments tend to fall apart upon cursory examination. Believe it or not, there are reputable, well respected journalists and media reporting on facts. It’s not all some conspiracy to grab Syria for an invasion of Iran. Team Trump Treason, John Bolton and the neocon Middle East policy all suck but that doesn’t mean we Americans support what’s going on in Syria or are duped by the media.
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  • Posts: 17,117
    I would argue someone is ingesting misinformation and propaganda, but it's not me

    How can you just ignore 7 years of documented war crimes and atrocities by Assad and the Syrian government? Then say protests didn't happen there during the Arab spring, kicking this whole thing off? 




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