Western media lies about Syria exposed (Canadian journalist Eva Bartlett)

Halifax2TheMax said:

polaris_x said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

JimmyV said:

my2hands said:

What does the US have to gain from "taking control" of Syria?

Well...there is some oil there but not as much as some other places. I think it has more to do with the military/industrial side than it does any resources there for the taking. Every bomb that gets dropped is a bomb that will be bought again. Every bullet fired, every tank destroyed, etc. And then when the country is completely ruined some politically-connected contractors will come in and "rebuild" while others provide "security."

$$$

Oh trust me, I understand, but that seems that would apply more to Russia here since we aren't on the ground and only fired a few rockets... Russia is the one on the ground... this isn't shock & awe and nation building... from what I recall this is exactly why under the Obama administration we resisted taking any further action

It's a huge interest for Russia - geographic strategy to expansion. Putin is still a Soviet Union guy remember. What my2hands says is true, but I've been under the impression that the most important thing is to just try and keep it out of total Russian control.... But that is now confusing, given Trump's schizophrenic attitude about Russia.

Russia would not be in Syria if not for the US.  The US is the one supplying arms to ISIS and Jihadist groups.  They are the ones destabilizing the country - not Russia.  It's the same playbook as Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan.  Remember - still no WMDs.  All those countries are overrun by Jihadist groups that are supported by Western Interests.  Russia is not an imperialistic nation - they aren't run by Corporations looking for resources from other countries.  Sure, Russia needs trading partners and there is economic benefit by having good relations but they aren't arming extremists groups to destabilize a country.

No, Russia is run by 10-14 oligarchs who own 90% of the nation’s wealth and are approved by Putin, who had the populist opposition candidate thrown in jail prior to the election. That’s a regime we should all get behind. Putin’s not imperial? Ha!

No one is saying Russia is perfect.  But give me the Russian equivalents of Haliburton.  Who sells the most arms in the world?

The US followed by Russia.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2017/02/10-countries-export-major-weapons-170220170539801.html

josevolution said:

Yeah the argument that ASSAD or PUTIN are good guys i ain't buying or Orange Bafoon too all three of these dispicable human beings should be on a rocket to mars with no return fuel ....

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

josevolution said:

Yeah the argument that ASSAD or PUTIN are good guys i ain't buying or Orange Bafoon too all three of these dispicable human beings should be on a rocket to mars with no return fuel ....

Why sully Mars? What did it ever do to you?

Yeah really, not Mars - They're sending the first colonists there in only 13 years. Better send them to Uranus instead.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Drowned Out said:

From Eva Karene Barlett's fb page:

Peter Ford (former British ambassador to Syria) again exposes BBC lies, and lies in general, about alleged CW attacks.

Note at around 3:00 into the interview, the BBC deflection of Ford's logical points about why there was no CW attack on Douma.

BBC: "Let's first of all start with this chemical attack do you think President Assad is behind it is responsible for this?"

Ford: "No, I don't because the evidence is extremely thin, thin-to-vanishing. All the sources of information about this attack come from the side of the militant Islamist armed groups. Without exception. All the information. There is not one single source of independent information on what actually happened in Douma, and there is every reason to believe that the Islamists have mounted a fake attack in order to stampede the West."

BBC: "When you say 'fake attack', what do you mean?"

Ford: "There was no chemical attack. The images are probably faked. The important thing is to get the international inspectors into Douma--and they are in Damascus now they're on their way--the important things is to get the inspectors in to verify what I've just said."

BBC: "The World Health Organization doesn't believe these
images were faked."

Ford: "The WHO has repeated claims, claims made by the same sources that produced the videos--that is by the Islamic militants, not by any independent observers. This is a crucial
detail there's absolutely no impartial evidence.

The BBC itself--and I remind you--saying that the images in the video are unverified. Is that not correct?"

...Ford: "If you actually look at the report by the UN inspectors from the attack one year ago, you will see troubling facts, such as that some of the alleged victims were presenting to the hospital one hour before the Syrian plane had even left the ground."

BBC: "Okay, let's move on from whether this is fact or not. Let's say evidence has been found to prove that President Assad was behind this attack..."

...Ford: "We all know the president says things, and his generals--who know what they're talking about--say something else. General Mattis, who does know probably what he's talking about, says the the assessment is continuing that can only mean that the evidence with not yet in."

Ford: "...The idea that we could be going into such a dangerous conflict on the basis of contested images and reports from jihadi sources such as the White Helmets--the so-called first responders--who are Islamist militants who helped in beheadings and amputation with hands and feet, and it's on the testimony of such first responders and so-called monitors that this country might be on the point of making another grave mistake.

And let me remind you, please, about Iraq when we were so confident--were we not--all the intelligence...You remember Colin Powell? Please, let's not have another case of being taken to war on a false perspectives."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55D7WrEn6MA&feature=youtu.be

I notice he said "probably" fake. Not fake. Not "confirmed" fake. "Probably." Seems he doesn't even know with certainty whether the images were faked. Also, @polaris_x you said that the inspectors weren't allowed in and yet your source is claiming that they're there, in Damascus waiting to go to Douma. Why is Assad holding them back?

I, for one, with a whole lot of other Americans, didn't believe the WMD line of reasoning from the war criminals Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld for one minute. What is happening in Syria is happening for one reason and one reason only, Israel, who by the way was found to be buying ISIS oil and has a very strategic interest in the Golan Heights. If the US wants to mess with Iran, we don't need Syria to do it. For the record, US Middle East policy has been misguided for a very long time and continues to be so. Sect politics is very nasty and Assad is gullty of playing them. He has no choice.

dignin said:

To suggest that all these gas attacks are faked and that all these governments and independent media organizations are in on it would mean a conspiracy so vast that it involves thousands of people. Including many journalists who I have come to respect over dozens of years of reporting. For what exactly? I'm just not buying it.