'You are in Saskatchewan's hearts': 14 confirmed dead in junior hockey team bus crash

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I post this because some local politicians say they need rumble strips and these trees block visibility.

A fully loaded semi that has not slowed by the time it comes across rumble strips, probably it's too late.  If the truck was stopped, and the trees blocked his disability, the you proceed with extreme caution...  I really do not see a problem with this intersection... Driving is not rocket science...just way to many careless and inattentive drivers on the road.

  Yeah, someone who should have stopped/been keeping an eye out clearly didn't - there is no other way for this accident to have happened the way it did. But you know, no matter what is done, there will still always be accidents, at least as long as human error remains a factor. In this case, I would imagine that a stop sign will be going up pretty soon.

You think they'll make it a 4 way stop?  A 4 way stop make sense.  then the odds are that at the bus would be slowing and stopped.  Just a terrible accident.  You are right, as long as humans drive there will always be accidents.  

oftenreading said:

Although no cause has been determined yet that I’ve read, it does seem like the odds are high that it was human error. That doesn’t mean that we can’t look at highway improvements to limit future incidents. Human error is going to always be present; humans get tired or distracted or sick or drunk or hung over or any other of a number of things they shouldn’t be, while driving. Engineering solutions that can limit human error can be a good thing; they certainly have in lots of other fields. That doesn’t take away from any responsibility here. 

I agree, nothing wrong with improving hwy safety.  It's also time for the federal government to look at the amount of hours these drivers drive in a day, the rules regarding the trucking incidustry needs review and modernized.  My wife drives semi, companies demand you max out your hours...

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Although no cause has been determined yet that I’ve read, it does seem like the odds are high that it was human error. That doesn’t mean that we can’t look at highway improvements to limit future incidents. Human error is going to always be present; humans get tired or distracted or sick or drunk or hung over or any other of a number of things they shouldn’t be, while driving. Engineering solutions that can limit human error can be a good thing; they certainly have in lots of other fields. That doesn’t take away from any responsibility here. 

Sure, and I think a stop sign would do it. I don't even think a 4-way stop would be necessary. Just stop signs for which ever road there is the more minor one should be adequate. But we have to keep in mind, they can't be upgrading every single rural intersection in the country because of one accident, no matter how terrible it was. It's just not realistic. But at this intersection in particular, yeah, a sign seems like a reasonable response. Looks like there is already lighting.

The truck driver approached a intersection controlled with a stop sign.  He either did stop or stop and didn't see the bus approaching...

Also I read that this was the second fatal accident in 20 years, if true, that hardly makes this intersection unsafe...

I live in southern Ontario, not too far from a stretch of the 401 called carnage alley...

In the end it came down to driver error.  I'm all for improving highway safety.  I'm all for an overhaul of the trucking industry as well.

That is not a blind intersection.  all the semi had to do was stop, creep ahead and check that it was safe to proceed...

Paralyzed Humboldt survivor has mind set on sledge hockey

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1523811

what an inspiration...

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

Jesus.

Government apologizes after Humboldt player believed alive is dead, another pronounced dead is alive


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/government-apologizes-after-humboldt-player-believed-alive-is-dead-another-pronounced-dead-is-alive-1.4611045

I actually find this somewhat understandable, considering that they all had their hair dyed the same colour, many were likely dressed alike, etc, plus it sounds like they were really mangled. :frown: You still have to wonder just how they were identifying the victims. A wire got crossed somewhere. I'm sure this situation is completely out of their realm of experience in that part of the world though. I doubt anyone involved in that area had ever had to handle a situation on that level before; maybe they were overwhelmed. But that must have been just horrible for the parents who thought their son was alive and then were told he was dead..... Not to mention the horror the parents of the live kid went through for a bit... although that was probably made up for when they found out their child was alive after all.

Well said...

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think the person at fault should go to prison unless he was drunk or high or using his smartphone or something else that means he made a conscious decision to put others at risk. He will almost certainly never drive a truck again, and that is all the punishment needed in this case IMO. Why do you think he should go to prison if it was an accident and not impaired driving or something? Just as revenge? I don't see the point in ruining the person's life any more than it's already been ruined, assuming he won't be a truck driver anymore. And that's assuming it wasn't something out of his control. For all we know his brakes failed. The truck driver is my concern as well. They all are, both the living and the dead.

If he’s at fault he absolutely should be in jail ... 

There is absolutely no way that accident should of happened, that driver was negligent...

‘careless driving causing death in Canada is indictable offence that can net you 14 years in prison ... so it’s not just me who thinks person careless driving causing death, our law makers see it as a good idea.  I guess it now comes down how the police want to proceed, I would say if he rolled through or just didn’t stop the careless driving causing death would appropriate.  

Im also careful to say if he was at fault ... I’m sure the police are leaving room for mechanical problems to have been at the cause...

why are are so willing to let a semi-driver off the hook?  I drove the 401 on a daily basis, I’ve seen the recklessness, the blatant dis-regard of the rules of the road...