Canadian Politics Redux

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,720
    edited March 2018
    I think he's doing it just right. Push it the fuck through and get it going instead of letting it get bogged down by endless red tape and foot dragging. Perfect. I don't even care what Trudeau's motivation is. I just care about results. And IMO, ramming it through and getting it going ASAP is the best way to do it in the long run for sure. Once money starts flowing, the industry and the law will catch up toute suite. If done the other way around, so much time and money would be wasted, and it would further highlight everything that's wrong with government and government agencies, taking fucking FOREVER to move on fucking anything. This time the actual industry is going to be given a chance to drive the change instead of the other way around. It'll work out fine, kinks will get worked out, all good. I'm really happy about how this is happening. BTW, this WAS an election promise dude, including the speed at which it's happening. People voted for the fast track. If they did what you're saying, they'd be breaking an election promise, and you'd complain about that.
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  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    “well duh”? 

    LMAO.  This has been fun. One criticizes my English and the other uses these kinds of terms and drops f-bombs consistently.... it’s almost impossible to read.

    You keep in believing what you are doing is “right” and you are “saving the world” from these awful “oil companies”

    Ill come back the next time I need PJ GA seats (2019 because I have four sets for this year already) somewhere in the world and I can afford to go because of the benefits I get from living in a world with OIL. 

    Keep saving the world!!! All that 1.63% of the damage we do to it. Maybe get it down to like 1.53%.  Help you sleep at night.

    I’ll idle my truck in the Okanagan over Easter for a few hours just to help the Alberta economy (because B.C. gets no benefit from my tourism dollars lol) 

    Such entertainment.... 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,720
    edited March 2018
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    “well duh”? 

    LMAO.  This has been fun. One criticizes my English and the other uses these kinds of terms and drops f-bombs consistently.... it’s almost impossible to read.

    You keep in believing what you are doing is “right” and you are “saving the world” from these awful “oil companies”

    Ill come back the next time I need PJ GA seats (2019 because I have four sets for this year already) somewhere in the world and I can afford to go because of the benefits I get from living in a world with OIL. 

    Keep saving the world!!! All that 1.63% of the damage we do to it. Maybe get it down to like 1.53%.  Help you sleep at night.

    I’ll idle my truck in the Okanagan over Easter for a few hours just to help the Alberta economy (because B.C. gets no benefit from my tourism dollars lol) 

    Such entertainment.... 
    :lol: Oh boy.
    Fuckin' great, see ya in fucking 2019!
    Maybe by then you can learn how to actually retain what people really say. Right now you just kind of invent shit in your head.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    “well duh”? 

    LMAO.  This has been fun. One criticizes my English and the other uses these kinds of terms and drops f-bombs consistently.... it’s almost impossible to read.

    You keep in believing what you are doing is “right” and you are “saving the world” from these awful “oil companies”

    Ill come back the next time I need PJ GA seats (2019 because I have four sets for this year already) somewhere in the world and I can afford to go because of the benefits I get from living in a world with OIL. 

    Keep saving the world!!! All that 1.63% of the damage we do to it. Maybe get it down to like 1.53%.  Help you sleep at night.

    I’ll idle my truck in the Okanagan over Easter for a few hours just to help the Alberta economy (because B.C. gets no benefit from my tourism dollars lol) 

    Such entertainment.... 
    Come on.

    It's not as if you are 'above' taking a few shots yourself.

    And you basically expressed your point of view here which is fair: you want that pipeline exactly as advertised because you stand to personally benefit.

    I can accept your eagerness for such an endeavour with that being the motivation; however, don't resort to ultimately calling all opposed 'morons' because they don't put aside their informed positions and support you and the initiative.

    As much as you try to insist it isn't so... British Columbians simply don't have much to gain and put much at risk. 

    And for the record, I'm no tree hugger. I recognize the significance of oil, but we're not starving for it at the moment. It is a finite resource and 'your' window of opportunity to personally capitalize on it is at the moment, but sorry... that's still not enough.

    * No idling at the Shuswap okay?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    An unjustified infringement': First Nation sues Ottawa, British Columbia over oil tanker ban


    http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/an-unjustified-infringement-first-nation-sues-ottawa-british-columbia-over-oil-tanker-ban?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    The Canadian people spoke with regards to the legalization of pot. It's not the senate's job to stall or stymie progress.
    For the Canadian people to have spoken it would need to be put to a binding referendum...

    and we we all know Canadian politicians don’t give a shit what we have to say.  That’s why it’s so easy for our politicians to lie and break promises..
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    DarthMaeglin said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pm-warns-senators-on-cannabis-bill/ar-BBKzBd2?ocid=spartanntp

    I think Trudeau needs a refresher on the functioning of Canada's government.  The Senate was never supposed to function as a rubber stamp, as he seems to think it should be.  Tyranny with a smile is tyranny all the same.
    You remember when Trudeau said “he admired the Chinese dictatorship”.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    The Canadian people spoke with regards to the legalization of pot. It's not the senate's job to stall or stymie progress.
    For the Canadian people to have spoken it would need to be put to a binding referendum...

    and we we all know Canadian politicians don’t give a shit what we have to say.  That’s why it’s so easy for our politicians to lie and break promises..

    Let's get serious: the large majority of Canadians wanted dope to be legalized. Many of Trudeau's votes came on that aspect of his campaign. At least for this... he followed through.

    I speak to this issue as a non user.

    There are things about the guy that are irritating me somewhat, but this was a big win (as much as you are going to try and dismiss it given your lack of objectivity towards him).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,720
    edited March 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pm-warns-senators-on-cannabis-bill/ar-BBKzBd2?ocid=spartanntp

    I think Trudeau needs a refresher on the functioning of Canada's government.  The Senate was never supposed to function as a rubber stamp, as he seems to think it should be.  Tyranny with a smile is tyranny all the same.
    You remember when Trudeau said “he admired the Chinese dictatorship”.
    Alright, you keep pulling this little comment from 2013 out of your hat, so let's just clarify what was actually said, shall we? Well before he was PM, and even before he won the Liberal leadership, he was asked spur of the moment at some kind of meet and greet what country's administration, besides Canada's, that he admired. He answered that he had some level of admiration for China's because their government appeared to be able to turn around their economy very quickly while acknowledging the fact that they have to go green as fast as possible. He used this comment as a segue into how he thought Canada has to start focusing more on green energies like solar. He did NOT say or mean to say that he admires a dictatorship as a form of government at all.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    We can agree on this then...I don’t like Trudeau, anymore than I liked Harper...

    Over the years since he’s left office I’ve developed a liking for Chretien...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,720
    Meltdown99 said:
    We can agree on this then...I don’t like Trudeau, anymore than I liked Harper...

    Over the years since he’s left office I’ve developed a liking for Chretien...
    I've always really liked Chretien.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    We can agree on this then...I don’t like Trudeau, anymore than I liked Harper...

    Over the years since he’s left office I’ve developed a liking for Chretien...
    I've always really liked Chretien.
    We agree again...we are finding common ground.

    what was your appreciation of him?

    I likeed how the budget was balanced, the overall debt was shrinking, and Canada had a huge surplus only to see harper fuck it all up...and harper is supposedly a economist...apparently an economist who can’t add...lol.  Chretien a good person in my book, and one of the few politicians I like...

    just so you know, I like Trudeau as a person.  I just think adding to our debt will only lead to reduced services for our future generations...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    A worm dies in a blaze of glory shootout with cops. He had murdered a young woman and was fleeing authorities like a rat typically does. The only unfortunate thing is that a cop was hurt in the process of playing the worm's game.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/calgary-murder-suspect-dead-officer-hurt-after-shootout-west-of-edmonton-sources-say/ar-AAvgT4G?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    They happen:

    https://relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/2018/03/oil-spill-colombia-animals-killed-spd?__twitter_impression=true

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Does Columbia have the same regulatory standards as Canada?  or environmental standards?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    Does Columbia have the same regulatory standards as Canada?  or environmental standards?
    You tell me. I'll guess and say "yes".

    Regardless of any safety standard in place, an 'accident' may occur.

    The problem with 'accidents' is what was illustrated in Columbia (or any other spill anywhere else for that matter)- devastation. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    well if you say columbia has top notch standards then who am i to argue...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    well if you say columbia has top notch standards then who am i to argue...
    I guessed. You asked the question. If you wish to find out then go ahead and find out.

    As I said... I couldn't care. The highest of standards don't prevent 'accidents' from happening. And when accidents occur in the oil transportation side of the equation... it's the shits.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Then why are you arguing...

    personally i I would rather deal with a spill as opposed to an explosion that can happen from rail cars and semi’s...plus I trust the engineers far more than I’ll ever trust an overworked, underpaid semi drive or train engineer...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    Then why are you arguing...

    personally i I would rather deal with a spill as opposed to an explosion that can happen from rail cars and semi’s...plus I trust the engineers far more than I’ll ever trust an overworked, underpaid semi drive or train engineer...

    What am I arguing? I'm not arguing anything. That comment makes no sense.

    And neither does your personal opinion on what might be a better or worse situation because a pipeline breach is far more catastrophic than a tanker truck accident. It's not even remotely close.
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