CAN'T DENY ME!!!

mpedone · March 2018

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

People were streaming a lot in the 90s/early 00s?

no. and they didn't start counting streams until 2014 I believe.

Right. I would say that ubiquitous high-speed internet made downloading songs possible in the late 90s/early 2000s, when we saw the rise of Napster and the like, which gave way to online music stores like iTunes and others in the mid 2000s, and that streaming as we know it today didn't catch on until the latter half of that decade.

Just two singles have gone gold in the US: Jeremy and Last Kiss. So, really, just one album single has gone gold. Only one song has gone platinum: Just Breathe. If streaming were the reason more of their singles haven't gone at least gold, wouldn't we have seen more gold/platinum singles in the pre-streaming era?

igotid88 · March 2018

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

People were streaming a lot in the 90s/early 00s?

no. and they didn't start counting streams until 2014 I believe.

Right. I would say that ubiquitous high-speed internet made downloading songs possible in the late 90s/early 2000s, when we saw the rise of Napster and the like, which gave way to online music stores like iTunes and others in the mid 2000s, and that streaming as we know it today didn't catch on until the latter half of that decade.

Just two singles have gone gold in the US: Jeremy and Last Kiss. So, really, just one album single has gone gold. Only one song has gone platinum: Just Breathe. If streaming were the reason more of their singles haven't gone at least gold, wouldn't we have seen more gold/platinum singles in the pre-streaming era?

part if it is they're not a singles band but an album band. Also at the time you could only get those singles as an import. And they don't count those here. Add to that they weren't doing videos. They weren't performing at all the awards shows. Doing every talk show. Stuff like that. They do deserve more gold and platinum singles though

HughFreakingDillon · March 2018

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

People were streaming a lot in the 90s/early 00s?

no. and they didn't start counting streams until 2014 I believe.

Right. I would say that ubiquitous high-speed internet made downloading songs possible in the late 90s/early 2000s, when we saw the rise of Napster and the like, which gave way to online music stores like iTunes and others in the mid 2000s, and that streaming as we know it today didn't catch on until the latter half of that decade.

Just two singles have gone gold in the US: Jeremy and Last Kiss. So, really, just one album single has gone gold. Only one song has gone platinum: Just Breathe. If streaming were the reason more of their singles haven't gone at least gold, wouldn't we have seen more gold/platinum singles in the pre-streaming era?

part if it is they're not a singles band but an album band. Also at the time you could only get those singles as an import. And they don't count those here. Add to that they weren't doing videos. They weren't performing at all the awards shows. Doing every talk show. Stuff like that. They do deserve more gold and platinum singles though

but I thought they didn't get gold/platinum singles because of streaming?

why do they "deserve" higher charting singles?

Ledbetterman10 · March 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

People were streaming a lot in the 90s/early 00s?

no. and they didn't start counting streams until 2014 I believe.

Right. I would say that ubiquitous high-speed internet made downloading songs possible in the late 90s/early 2000s, when we saw the rise of Napster and the like, which gave way to online music stores like iTunes and others in the mid 2000s, and that streaming as we know it today didn't catch on until the latter half of that decade.

Just two singles have gone gold in the US: Jeremy and Last Kiss. So, really, just one album single has gone gold. Only one song has gone platinum: Just Breathe. If streaming were the reason more of their singles haven't gone at least gold, wouldn't we have seen more gold/platinum singles in the pre-streaming era?

part if it is they're not a singles band but an album band. Also at the time you could only get those singles as an import. And they don't count those here. Add to that they weren't doing videos. They weren't performing at all the awards shows. Doing every talk show. Stuff like that. They do deserve more gold and platinum singles though

but I thought they didn't get gold/platinum singles because of streaming?

why do they "deserve" higher charting singles?

They don't. For starters, rock bands having success with singles is really a relic of the 60's. The Zeppelins and Floyds of the world really changed that in the 70's by not focusing at all on singles. And as for Pearl Jam specifically, hey, they're the ones that insisted on songs like Spin The Black Circle, Who You Are, and Nothing As It Seems being lead singles. All are great songs and all are good representations of the albums they're on. But if the band cared about having hit singles, then Better Man, Hail Hail, and (maybe) Grievance would have been the lead singles from those albums.

igotid88 · March 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

People were streaming a lot in the 90s/early 00s?

no. and they didn't start counting streams until 2014 I believe.

Right. I would say that ubiquitous high-speed internet made downloading songs possible in the late 90s/early 2000s, when we saw the rise of Napster and the like, which gave way to online music stores like iTunes and others in the mid 2000s, and that streaming as we know it today didn't catch on until the latter half of that decade.

Just two singles have gone gold in the US: Jeremy and Last Kiss. So, really, just one album single has gone gold. Only one song has gone platinum: Just Breathe. If streaming were the reason more of their singles haven't gone at least gold, wouldn't we have seen more gold/platinum singles in the pre-streaming era?

part if it is they're not a singles band but an album band. Also at the time you could only get those singles as an import. And they don't count those here. Add to that they weren't doing videos. They weren't performing at all the awards shows. Doing every talk show. Stuff like that. They do deserve more gold and platinum singles though

but I thought they didn't get gold/platinum singles because of streaming?

why do they "deserve" higher charting singles?

you can get gold and platinum through streaming. Obviously digital downloads help more. But they count streaming now I think since 2014 or 15. That's why Billboard has the Billboard 200 chart and Top Albums chart. You can be #1 in Top Albums Sales. But because of streaming you might be 8th on the Billboard 200. Streaming is why for example Kendrick Lamar was in the top 5 most of the year

KC138045 · March 2018

39 pages of back and forth "discussion" over one song. Can't wait for the thread after the album comes out.

HughFreakingDillon · March 2018

igotid88 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

People were streaming a lot in the 90s/early 00s?

no. and they didn't start counting streams until 2014 I believe.

Right. I would say that ubiquitous high-speed internet made downloading songs possible in the late 90s/early 2000s, when we saw the rise of Napster and the like, which gave way to online music stores like iTunes and others in the mid 2000s, and that streaming as we know it today didn't catch on until the latter half of that decade.

Just two singles have gone gold in the US: Jeremy and Last Kiss. So, really, just one album single has gone gold. Only one song has gone platinum: Just Breathe. If streaming were the reason more of their singles haven't gone at least gold, wouldn't we have seen more gold/platinum singles in the pre-streaming era?

part if it is they're not a singles band but an album band. Also at the time you could only get those singles as an import. And they don't count those here. Add to that they weren't doing videos. They weren't performing at all the awards shows. Doing every talk show. Stuff like that. They do deserve more gold and platinum singles though

but I thought they didn't get gold/platinum singles because of streaming?

why do they "deserve" higher charting singles?

you can get gold and platinum through streaming. Obviously digital downloads help more. But they count streaming now I think since 2014 or 15. That's why Billboard has the Billboard 200 chart and Top Albums chart. You can be #1 in Top Albums Sales. But because of streaming you might be 8th on the Billboard 200. Streaming is why for example Kendrick Lamar was in the top 5 most of the year

I was referring to your seemingly contradictory posts of "this is why they don't get high charting singles" because of streaming and "part of they aren't a singles band.....".

why do you care, and why do you think they deserve, if they get high charting singles?

The Juggler · March 2018

DosimetricPJFan said:

ehbacon said:

DosimetricPJFan said:

I see a lot of talk on here about Trump being unqualified. For discussion purposes, can someone tell me what made Obama qualified?

is this a serious question?

Absolutely a serious question. If he was so fully qualified and a "Betterman", what is one thing about his presidency that stands out positively? And I ain't talknig about being nice or not calling people names. What will we remember about his 2 terms 20 years from now?

Do you remember that little recession he inherited? The biggest one since the Great Depression?

igotid88 · March 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

People were streaming a lot in the 90s/early 00s?

no. and they didn't start counting streams until 2014 I believe.

Right. I would say that ubiquitous high-speed internet made downloading songs possible in the late 90s/early 2000s, when we saw the rise of Napster and the like, which gave way to online music stores like iTunes and others in the mid 2000s, and that streaming as we know it today didn't catch on until the latter half of that decade.

Just two singles have gone gold in the US: Jeremy and Last Kiss. So, really, just one album single has gone gold. Only one song has gone platinum: Just Breathe. If streaming were the reason more of their singles haven't gone at least gold, wouldn't we have seen more gold/platinum singles in the pre-streaming era?

part if it is they're not a singles band but an album band. Also at the time you could only get those singles as an import. And they don't count those here. Add to that they weren't doing videos. They weren't performing at all the awards shows. Doing every talk show. Stuff like that. They do deserve more gold and platinum singles though

but I thought they didn't get gold/platinum singles because of streaming?

why do they "deserve" higher charting singles?

you can get gold and platinum through streaming. Obviously digital downloads help more. But they count streaming now I think since 2014 or 15. That's why Billboard has the Billboard 200 chart and Top Albums chart. You can be #1 in Top Albums Sales. But because of streaming you might be 8th on the Billboard 200. Streaming is why for example Kendrick Lamar was in the top 5 most of the year

I was referring to your seemingly contradictory posts of "this is why they don't get high charting singles" because of streaming and "part of they aren't a singles band.....".

why do you care, and why do you think they deserve, if they get high charting singles?

I didn't say they didn't get gold or platinum because of streaming. I was just saying that they count streaming now as part of sales. But if you want to go there. Pearl Jam are not streamed that. much. There was a top 20 Spotify Rock most listened to. And they didn't make the top 20. Most of us here have PJ Radio and sometimes buy. But the casual fan or possible new fan aren't streaming or buying. The 50th song to be streamed last week was Dua Lipa at

6,086,444 streams.

And I care because I like to see my favorite band succeed.

HughFreakingDillon · March 2018

igotid88 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

MP59559 said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

People were streaming a lot in the 90s/early 00s?

no. and they didn't start counting streams until 2014 I believe.

Right. I would say that ubiquitous high-speed internet made downloading songs possible in the late 90s/early 2000s, when we saw the rise of Napster and the like, which gave way to online music stores like iTunes and others in the mid 2000s, and that streaming as we know it today didn't catch on until the latter half of that decade.

Just two singles have gone gold in the US: Jeremy and Last Kiss. So, really, just one album single has gone gold. Only one song has gone platinum: Just Breathe. If streaming were the reason more of their singles haven't gone at least gold, wouldn't we have seen more gold/platinum singles in the pre-streaming era?

part if it is they're not a singles band but an album band. Also at the time you could only get those singles as an import. And they don't count those here. Add to that they weren't doing videos. They weren't performing at all the awards shows. Doing every talk show. Stuff like that. They do deserve more gold and platinum singles though

but I thought they didn't get gold/platinum singles because of streaming?

why do they "deserve" higher charting singles?

you can get gold and platinum through streaming. Obviously digital downloads help more. But they count streaming now I think since 2014 or 15. That's why Billboard has the Billboard 200 chart and Top Albums chart. You can be #1 in Top Albums Sales. But because of streaming you might be 8th on the Billboard 200. Streaming is why for example Kendrick Lamar was in the top 5 most of the year

I was referring to your seemingly contradictory posts of "this is why they don't get high charting singles" because of streaming and "part of they aren't a singles band.....".

why do you care, and why do you think they deserve, if they get high charting singles?

I didn't say they didn't get gold or platinum because of streaming. I was just saying that they count streaming now as part of sales. But if you want to go there. Pearl Jam are not streamed that. much. There was a top 20 Spotify Rock most listened to. And they didn't make the top 20. Most of us here have PJ Radio and sometimes buy. But the casual fan or possible new fan aren't streaming or buying. The 50th song to be streamed last week was Dua Lipa at
6,086,444 streams.
And I care because I like to see my favorite band succeed.

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:
igotid88 said:
Have any of you purchased the song? I did
No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

I interpreted this exchange as you saying they don't get gold or platinum singles because of streaming.

The Juggler · March 2018

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

tbergs said:

igotid88 said:

Have any of you purchased the song? I did

No way. It's in my downloads and I can stream it on Google Play. I rarely buy a single, even with Pearl Jam. I know I'll buy the album at some point so I can wait to skip it then, which always happens with the lead single and overplay by the time I get the album .

i guess this is why most of their singles never go gold or platinum. Just know that if you streamed it 1500 times that's equal to 1 sale.

Yeah Pearl Jam is the only band in the world whose fans stream, as opposed to buy, their music.

Where did I say that? I was just pointing out the fact that 150 streams of a song or 1500 of an album is equal to 1 sale.

Well you said most of "their" singles as if this is a problem that doesn't affect anyone else.

igotid88 · March 2018

That's not what I meant. I was trying to say if you stream a song 150* times not 1500 that's equal to 1 sale. 1500 is for an album. So a combination of 10 songs from an album streamed 150 times

igotid88 · March 2018

Can't Deny Me will debut on the
Rock Airplay Chart at #21
Rock Songs #32
Rock Digital Song Sales #21
Alternative Songs #36
Mainstream Rock #24

The Juggler · March 2018

igotid88 said:

That's not what I meant. I was trying to say if you stream a song 150* times not 1500 that's equal to 1 sale. 1500 is for an album. So a combination of 10 songs from an album streamed 150 times

Do you think people are streaming a certain amount of times to boost their numbers or something? I just don't see why this matters.

Personally, I haven't streamed it in days because I don't think the songs is that good.

Ledbetterman10 · March 2018

igotid88 said:

Can't Deny Me will debut on the
Rock Airplay Chart at #21
Rock Songs #32
Rock Digital Song Sales #21
Alternative Songs #36

Yikes....for the sake of comparison, here's Mind Your Manners' debuts. Don't have a stat on digital song sales but do have Mainstream Rock (not sure if that chart is still active though)

Rock Airplay Chart at #6
Rock Songs #17
Alternative Songs #12
Mainstream Rock #2

JP218404 · March 2018

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Can't Deny Me will debut on the
Rock Airplay Chart at #21
Rock Songs #32
Rock Digital Song Sales #21
Alternative Songs #36

Yikes....for the sake of comparison, here's Mind Your Manners' debuts. Don't have a stat on digital song sales but do have Mainstream Rock (not sure if that chart is still active though)

Rock Airplay Chart at #6
Rock Songs #17
Alternative Songs #12
Mainstream Rock #2

mainstream chart doesnt exist anymore. plus the song was sent to radio on the 12th so didn't have a full week of rotation at stations. Also, today is the day that the label is trying to get stations to add the track. some stations havent even played the song yet. on top of all of that, the alternative and rock formats are a totally different animal now then they were 5 years ago. its about the end of the singles life not the start

tbergs · March 2018

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Can't Deny Me will debut on the
Rock Airplay Chart at #21
Rock Songs #32
Rock Digital Song Sales #21
Alternative Songs #36

Yikes....for the sake of comparison, here's Mind Your Manners' debuts. Don't have a stat on digital song sales but do have Mainstream Rock (not sure if that chart is still active though)

Rock Airplay Chart at #6
Rock Songs #17
Alternative Songs #12
Mainstream Rock #2

It isn't a radio friendly song, which is kind of going back to the path they started in the 90's. They've been more friendly and poppy the last 2 albums with accessible songs for the general public. It's just not a song that is going to be even moderately popular, especially to non-fans. This is something I last cared about around the Binaural era when I wanted everyone else to like my favorite band. Now, It doesn't matter and they obviously don't care either. I just want them to put out quality music. Their albums aren't what keep them in business, it's their live shows. Writing new music allows them to change it up and play with fresh music, but it's definitely not something they can survive on as a major rock band in this era.

Sarava · March 2018

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Can't Deny Me will debut on the
Rock Airplay Chart at #21
Rock Songs #32
Rock Digital Song Sales #21
Alternative Songs #36

Yikes....for the sake of comparison, here's Mind Your Manners' debuts. Don't have a stat on digital song sales but do have Mainstream Rock (not sure if that chart is still active though)

Rock Airplay Chart at #6
Rock Songs #17
Alternative Songs #12
Mainstream Rock #2

I think the lack of an impending album probably isn't helping them generate any kind of excitement. I mean, yeah they said forthcoming album. But that could be in 10 months for all we know. They haven't even given us an album name, which makes one wonder if if it's not really that close.

igotid88 · March 2018

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

That's not what I meant. I was trying to say if you stream a song 150* times not 1500 that's equal to 1 sale. 1500 is for an album. So a combination of 10 songs from an album streamed 150 times

Do you think people are streaming a certain amount of times to boost their numbers or something? I just don't see why this matters.

Personally, I haven't streamed it in days because I don't think the songs is that good.

No. A lot people stream Kendrick, Drake, Ed
Sheeran, and those types

lastexitlondon · March 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

i listened to it on repeat for a couple hours this morning. I often do that with a new song by a favourite band. And I dig it still. I also find I'm less picky than other PJ fans, though. I like most of their songs. Only a few notables I don't like.

I did the same today and i like it more than when i first heard it. I dislike the hand clap part. But i love the anger. Thats what i love in my pearl jam. I think most do. Im gladly from England and the back and forth political stuff is ok with me. Its someone having their say. It obviously rocks live. I will let you know in June!

CAN'T DENY ME!!!

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