Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.
It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership?
No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video. Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me. She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass. Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
She didn't record it so it must not have happened.
That's what you're going with?
...ok then...
if Kellyanne Conway was caught with a bag of cocaine on her, and she tried to claim she found it and was on her way to turning into police, would you take her word for it? Whether she was telling the truth is irrelevant. would you believe her?
I find it very interesting how quickly people are defending this woman. Isn't the law the law? Shouldn't our politicians be held to a standard of at LEAST not breaking the law, especially when it relates to proper handling and storage of a firearms?
Again with the terrible drug analogies.
change "bag of cocaine" with "modified AR-15" then.
She wasn't caught with anything.
If she cut the barrel of the gun off and was later found in possession of the gun by police then came up with the "I was trying to destroy the gun" story then that analogy might make some sense.
fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....".
do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
Again, you miss the fact that she did not destroy it. She just made the barrel shorter. It will still fire... She should have just given it to police to start with instead of committing a felony in the process of grandstanding.
And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
how do you know the gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel?
I don't. All I have to go on is her statement that is was, and I have no reason to not believe her. Do you know it was operable?
Video evidence shows that it “most likely” was operable, counter to her claim. I pointed out some of the features that led me to this conclusion earlier. There is more evidence that it is operable than there is of it not.
Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.
It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership?
No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video. Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me. She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass. Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
She didn't record it so it must not have happened.
That's what you're going with?
...ok then...
if Kellyanne Conway was caught with a bag of cocaine on her, and she tried to claim she found it and was on her way to turning into police, would you take her word for it? Whether she was telling the truth is irrelevant. would you believe her?
I find it very interesting how quickly people are defending this woman. Isn't the law the law? Shouldn't our politicians be held to a standard of at LEAST not breaking the law, especially when it relates to proper handling and storage of a firearms?
Again with the terrible drug analogies.
change "bag of cocaine" with "modified AR-15" then.
She wasn't caught with anything.
If she cut the barrel of the gun off and was later found in possession of the gun by police then came up with the "I was trying to destroy the gun" story then that analogy might make some sense.
fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....".
do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
Again, you miss the fact that she did not destroy it. She just made the barrel shorter. It will still fire... She should have just given it to police to start with instead of committing a felony in the process of grandstanding.
And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
It was inoperable because she said so after the fact? And in the video, there is nothing validating that statement. All parts that make it operable seem to be in place. I didn’t miss her statement, there is just no proof validating it. And once again, there is no “intent” written into the law. It doesn’t matter what she was trying to do, it’s what she did that matters. She created an SBR...plain and simple. There is nothing in the law that says “if you accidentally make an illegal firearm while trying to destroy it, it’s all good”
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Argument from ignorance, also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true.
So her statement has not been proven true or false, see how that works? In other words, your statement holds no merit of truth and mine doesn’t either regarding her statement regarding what happened before the video. Cannot be validated. But, the video itself displays evidence that the gun was not inoperable before she cut the barrel down. The charging handle, lower receiver and stock are all in place.
ftfa: "Virginia Beach Police confirmed Thursday afternoon the gun was in their possession and waiting to be picked up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."
If there was anyone to validate your accusations, it appears they have already been involved and declined to press any charges.
Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.
It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership?
No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video. Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me. She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass. Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
She didn't record it so it must not have happened.
That's what you're going with?
...ok then...
if Kellyanne Conway was caught with a bag of cocaine on her, and she tried to claim she found it and was on her way to turning into police, would you take her word for it? Whether she was telling the truth is irrelevant. would you believe her?
I find it very interesting how quickly people are defending this woman. Isn't the law the law? Shouldn't our politicians be held to a standard of at LEAST not breaking the law, especially when it relates to proper handling and storage of a firearms?
Again with the terrible drug analogies.
change "bag of cocaine" with "modified AR-15" then.
She wasn't caught with anything.
If she cut the barrel of the gun off and was later found in possession of the gun by police then came up with the "I was trying to destroy the gun" story then that analogy might make some sense.
fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....".
do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
Again, you miss the fact that she did not destroy it. She just made the barrel shorter. It will still fire... She should have just given it to police to start with instead of committing a felony in the process of grandstanding.
And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
It was inoperable because she said so after the fact? And in the video, there is nothing validating that statement. All parts that make it operable seem to be in place. I didn’t miss her statement, there is just no proof validating it. And once again, there is no “intent” written into the law. It doesn’t matter what she was trying to do, it’s whatthat matters. She created an SBR...plain and simple. There is nothing in the law that says “if you accidentally make an illegal firearm while trying to destroy it, it’s all good”
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Argument from ignorance, also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true.
So her statement has not been proven true or false, see how that works? In other words, your statement holds no merit of truth and mine doesn’t either regarding her statement regarding what happened before the video. Cannot be validated. But, the video itself displays evidence that the gun was not inoperable before she cut the barrel down. The charging handle, lower receiver and stock are all in place.
ftfa: "Virginia Beach Police confirmed Thursday afternoon the gun was in their possession and waiting to be picked up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."
If there was anyone to validate your accusations, it appears they have already been involved and declined to press any charges.
Why would they turn it over to the BATFE if there was no issue and the BATFE was not investigating? Lol. This validates my accusation even further “VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WVEC) -- The Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is investigating congressional candidate Karen Mallard after she posted a video on Facebook that shows her cutting apart an AR-15 rifle”
Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.
It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership?
No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video. Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me. She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass. Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
She didn't record it so it must not have happened.
That's what you're going with?
...ok then...
if Kellyanne Conway was caught with a bag of cocaine on her, and she tried to claim she found it and was on her way to turning into police, would you take her word for it? Whether she was telling the truth is irrelevant. would you believe her?
I find it very interesting how quickly people are defending this woman. Isn't the law the law? Shouldn't our politicians be held to a standard of at LEAST not breaking the law, especially when it relates to proper handling and storage of a firearms?
Again with the terrible drug analogies.
change "bag of cocaine" with "modified AR-15" then.
She wasn't caught with anything.
If she cut the barrel of the gun off and was later found in possession of the gun by police then came up with the "I was trying to destroy the gun" story then that analogy might make some sense.
fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....".
do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
Again, you miss the fact that she did not destroy it. She just made the barrel shorter. It will still fire... She should have just given it to police to start with instead of committing a felony in the process of grandstanding.
And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
It was inoperable because she said so after the fact? And in the video, there is nothing validating that statement. All parts that make it operable seem to be in place. I didn’t miss her statement, there is just no proof validating it. And once again, there is no “intent” written into the law. It doesn’t matter what she was trying to do, it’s whatthat matters. She created an SBR...plain and simple. There is nothing in the law that says “if you accidentally make an illegal firearm while trying to destroy it, it’s all good”
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Argument from ignorance, also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true.
So her statement has not been proven true or false, see how that works? In other words, your statement holds no merit of truth and mine doesn’t either regarding her statement regarding what happened before the video. Cannot be validated. But, the video itself displays evidence that the gun was not inoperable before she cut the barrel down. The charging handle, lower receiver and stock are all in place.
ftfa: "Virginia Beach Police confirmed Thursday afternoon the gun was in their possession and waiting to be picked up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."
If there was anyone to validate your accusations, it appears they have already been involved and declined to press any charges.
Why would they turn it over to the BATFE if there was no issue and the BATFE was not investigating? Lol. This validates my accusation even further
Sounds like standard operating procedure to dispose of a gun.
Did you want her to put in the trash for next week's garbage day pick up? Take it to the recycling center? Ship it back to Colt's Manufacturing Company?
Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.
It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership?
No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video. Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me. She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass. Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
She didn't record it so it must not have happened.
That's what you're going with?
...ok then...
if Kellyanne Conway was caught with a bag of cocaine on her, and she tried to claim she found it and was on her way to turning into police, would you take her word for it? Whether she was telling the truth is irrelevant. would you believe her?
I find it very interesting how quickly people are defending this woman. Isn't the law the law? Shouldn't our politicians be held to a standard of at LEAST not breaking the law, especially when it relates to proper handling and storage of a firearms?
Again with the terrible drug analogies.
change "bag of cocaine" with "modified AR-15" then.
She wasn't caught with anything.
If she cut the barrel of the gun off and was later found in possession of the gun by police then came up with the "I was trying to destroy the gun" story then that analogy might make some sense.
fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....".
do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
Again, you miss the fact that she did not destroy it. She just made the barrel shorter. It will still fire... She should have just given it to police to start with instead of committing a felony in the process of grandstanding.
And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
It was inoperable because she said so after the fact? And in the video, there is nothing validating that statement. All parts that make it operable seem to be in place. I didn’t miss her statement, there is just no proof validating it. And once again, there is no “intent” written into the law. It doesn’t matter what she was trying to do, it’s whatthat matters. She created an SBR...plain and simple. There is nothing in the law that says “if you accidentally make an illegal firearm while trying to destroy it, it’s all good”
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Argument from ignorance, also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true.
So her statement has not been proven true or false, see how that works? In other words, your statement holds no merit of truth and mine doesn’t either regarding her statement regarding what happened before the video. Cannot be validated. But, the video itself displays evidence that the gun was not inoperable before she cut the barrel down. The charging handle, lower receiver and stock are all in place.
ftfa: "Virginia Beach Police confirmed Thursday afternoon the gun was in their possession and waiting to be picked up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."
If there was anyone to validate your accusations, it appears they have already been involved and declined to press any charges.
Why would they turn it over to the BATFE if there was no issue and the BATFE was not investigating? Lol. This validates my accusation even further
Sounds like standard operating procedure to dispose of a gun.
Did you want her to put in the trash for next week's garbage day pick up? Take it to the recycling center? Ship it back to Colt's Manufacturing Company?
I think that the law enforcement agency would just destroy it or auction it off if it wasn’t an illegal firearm...but instead, they thought the BATFE should look into it?l
Sounds like standard operating procedure to dispose of a gun.
Did you want her to put in the trash for next week's garbage day pick up? Take it to the recycling center? Ship it back to Colt's Manufacturing Company?
I think that the law enforcement agency would just destroy it or auction it off if it wasn’t an illegal firearm...but instead, they thought the BATFE should look into it?l
They probably have some obligation to investigate because a bunch of gun nuts reported her.
If the ATF didn't investigate, you'd have a bunch of gun nuts screaming about the deep state or some other dumb crap.
I look forward the ATF's statement: "We've looked into the situation and closed our file, thank you for your concern."
Sounds like standard operating procedure to dispose of a gun.
Did you want her to put in the trash for next week's garbage day pick up? Take it to the recycling center? Ship it back to Colt's Manufacturing Company?
I think that the law enforcement agency would just destroy it or auction it off if it wasn’t an illegal firearm...but instead, they thought the BATFE should look into it?l
They probably have some obligation to investigate because a bunch of gun nuts reported her.
If the ATF didn't investigate, you'd have a bunch of gun nuts screaming about the deep state or some other dumb crap.
I look forward the ATF's statement: "We've looked into the situation and closed our file, thank you for your concern."
I look forward to her not being allowed to run for Congress because she has a felony on her record. But you’re right, totally up to the ATF at this point.
The difference seems to be who are we willing to believe and give a benefit of the doubt to. In this case, some think Mallard should get the benefit of the doubt. I don't know her and have nothing to base any trust on, whereas a Donald Trump and Kellyane Conway have been shown to lie about any little thing they can no matter how obvious the lie. Credibility matters and in this case I am neutral until I hear otherwise.
I think it needs to be followed up on by someone in LE if it hasn't already happened so Mallard understands the confusion her video may create for those unfamiliar with gun laws.
Sounds like standard operating procedure to dispose of a gun.
Did you want her to put in the trash for next week's garbage day pick up? Take it to the recycling center? Ship it back to Colt's Manufacturing Company?
I think that the law enforcement agency would just destroy it or auction it off if it wasn’t an illegal firearm...but instead, they thought the BATFE should look into it?l
They probably have some obligation to investigate because a bunch of gun nuts reported her.
If the ATF didn't investigate, you'd have a bunch of gun nuts screaming about the deep state or some other dumb crap.
I look forward the ATF's statement: "We've looked into the situation and closed our file, thank you for your concern."
The headline of the article was more clickbait I'm sure. When you read the whole article it says nothing about the investigation till the very end.
Master Police Officer Tonya Pierce, spokeswoman for the Virginia Beach Police Department, confirmed that the rifle was in the department's possession. Pierce told 13News Now the ATF was looking into the situation.
The difference seems to be who are we willing to believe and give a benefit of the doubt to. In this case, some think Mallard should get the benefit of the doubt. I don't know her and have nothing to base any trust on, whereas a Donald Trump and Kellyane Conway have been shown to lie about any little thing they can no matter how obvious the lie. Credibility matters and in this case I am neutral until I hear otherwise.
I think it needs to be followed up on by someone in LE if it hasn't already happened so Mallard understands the confusion her video may create for those unfamiliar with gun laws.
agree 100%. I, for one, have not claimed that she was guilty or innocent. the video warranted an investigation of sorts. if that has or will happen, then good.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
The difference seems to be who are we willing to believe and give a benefit of the doubt to. In this case, some think Mallard should get the benefit of the doubt. I don't know her and have nothing to base any trust on, whereas a Donald Trump and Kellyane Conway have been shown to lie about any little thing they can no matter how obvious the lie. Credibility matters and in this case I am neutral until I hear otherwise.
I think it needs to be followed up on by someone in LE if it hasn't already happened so Mallard understands the confusion her video may create for those unfamiliar with gun laws.
agree 100%. I, for one, have not claimed that she was guilty or innocent. the video warranted an investigation of sorts. if that has or will happen, then good.
Agreed for the most part. I just believe that law makers should be held to high standards on knowing laws and made examples of when they break them.
Common sense is gone if anyone thinks this woman should be penalized for destroying that gun. Idiot thread indeed.
Well, I would agree in general and on the surface. But what you're saying is that it is OK to commit a crime as long as your intentions are good. That isn't how the rule of law works. She could have gone about this differently. She could have truly rendered the firearm inoperable to start with, and there would have been no issue. She could have ignorantly committed the federal offense privately, and taken the pieces to law enforcement, and it would be a non-issue. But she decided to publicly commit the crime and document it on video. If she'd simply cut the firearm in half this would be a non-issue. But she cut the barrel off. Anyone with a vague notion about gun laws knows that is a no-no. If she owned a firearm and was ignorant of one of the most basic laws, that is on her and she probably never should have possessed it. She may have cut the barrel off, and then proceeded to cut it into smaller pieces, but she still shortened the barrel of a functional firearm. Cut it in half first, and then cut those halves into smaller pieces. It may seem like a minor point, but again, publicly violating a well-known federal firearms law puts you in Trump-stupid territory.
It seems you missed the part, “it was inoperable before I cut it.” Also, do you believe every gun owner knows all “basic” gun laws prior to or during gun ownership?
No evidence of that whatsoever ever in the video. Looks like a fully functional ar-15 to me. She is just saying that after the fact in a weak effort to cover her ass. Anyways, it’s up to the ATF to decide now as literally thousands of people have already reported her.
She didn't record it so it must not have happened.
That's what you're going with?
...ok then...
if Kellyanne Conway was caught with a bag of cocaine on her, and she tried to claim she found it and was on her way to turning into police, would you take her word for it? Whether she was telling the truth is irrelevant. would you believe her?
I find it very interesting how quickly people are defending this woman. Isn't the law the law? Shouldn't our politicians be held to a standard of at LEAST not breaking the law, especially when it relates to proper handling and storage of a firearms?
Again with the terrible drug analogies.
change "bag of cocaine" with "modified AR-15" then.
She wasn't caught with anything.
If she cut the barrel of the gun off and was later found in possession of the gun by police then came up with the "I was trying to destroy the gun" story then that analogy might make some sense.
fine. let's redo it. if Kellyanne posted the same video that this woman did, what would your HONEST reaction be? "no big deal"? "hey, she's destroying a gun! I think....".
do you not think this should at least be addressed? I mean, the potential for some kid watching that video and getting some bright idea.....
The potential of some kid destroying a gun then turning into law enforcement? Why would I be worried about that? I would applaud that. If Donald Trump himself made that exact same video I would applaud him too.
Again, you miss the fact that she did not destroy it. She just made the barrel shorter. It will still fire... She should have just given it to police to start with instead of committing a felony in the process of grandstanding.
And you keep leaving out the whole story. The gun was inoperable before she cut the barrel, then they dismantled it and gave it to the police. That was the obvious plan all along, you are making this out to be something sinister because you don't agree with her politics. Nobody watching that video is thinking she is doing that to make the weapon illegal.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Argument from ignorance, also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true.
So her statement has not been proven true or false, see how that works? In other words, your statement holds no merit of truth and mine doesn’t either regarding her statement regarding what happened before the video. Cannot be validated. But, the video itself displays evidence that the gun was not inoperable before she cut the barrel down. The charging handle, lower receiver and stock are all in place.
ftfa: "Virginia Beach Police confirmed Thursday afternoon the gun was in their possession and waiting to be picked up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."
If there was anyone to validate your accusations, it appears they have already been involved and declined to press any charges.
Why would they turn it over to the BATFE if there was no issue and the BATFE was not investigating? Lol. This validates my accusation even further
Sounds like standard operating procedure to dispose of a gun.
Did you want her to put in the trash for next week's garbage day pick up? Take it to the recycling center? Ship it back to Colt's Manufacturing Company?
I think that the law enforcement agency would just destroy it or auction it off if it wasn’t an illegal firearm...but instead, they thought the BATFE should look into it?l
Auction it off? So keep it in circulation? Kind of defeats the purpose don't you think?
I can see why people are so up in arms over this though... some Americans place the value of guns over the value of children. This mutilation of the AR15 was likely shocking to some.
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Makes me sick too, this woman must have zero brain cells.
Miami Beach Nightclub Shut Down After a Bikini-Clad Woman Rode Horse Onto Dance Floor - People https://apple.news/Arjnj6W95RoOgGXU_LyuDyA This kind of stuff makes me sick , she should be charged with cruelty to an animal !
Horse can’t handle its liquor...seen this all too many times, lol. Seriously, though, how idiotic and cruel.
The difference seems to be who are we willing to believe and give a benefit of the doubt to. In this case, some think Mallard should get the benefit of the doubt. I don't know her and have nothing to base any trust on, whereas a Donald Trump and Kellyane Conway have been shown to lie about any little thing they can no matter how obvious the lie. Credibility matters and in this case I am neutral until I hear otherwise.
I think it needs to be followed up on by someone in LE if it hasn't already happened so Mallard understands the confusion her video may create for those unfamiliar with gun laws.
agree 100%. I, for one, have not claimed that she was guilty or innocent. the video warranted an investigation of sorts. if that has or will happen, then good.
Agreed for the most part. I just believe that law makers should be held to high standards on knowing laws and made examples of when they break them.
i agree with that as well.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
The difference seems to be who are we willing to believe and give a benefit of the doubt to. In this case, some think Mallard should get the benefit of the doubt. I don't know her and have nothing to base any trust on, whereas a Donald Trump and Kellyane Conway have been shown to lie about any little thing they can no matter how obvious the lie. Credibility matters and in this case I am neutral until I hear otherwise.
I think it needs to be followed up on by someone in LE if it hasn't already happened so Mallard understands the confusion her video may create for those unfamiliar with gun laws.
agree 100%. I, for one, have not claimed that she was guilty or innocent. the video warranted an investigation of sorts. if that has or will happen, then good.
Agreed for the most part. I just believe that law makers should be held to high standards on knowing laws and made examples of when they break them.
Oh, I hope that applies to Trump, too.
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The difference seems to be who are we willing to believe and give a benefit of the doubt to. In this case, some think Mallard should get the benefit of the doubt. I don't know her and have nothing to base any trust on, whereas a Donald Trump and Kellyane Conway have been shown to lie about any little thing they can no matter how obvious the lie. Credibility matters and in this case I am neutral until I hear otherwise.
I think it needs to be followed up on by someone in LE if it hasn't already happened so Mallard understands the confusion her video may create for those unfamiliar with gun laws.
agree 100%. I, for one, have not claimed that she was guilty or innocent. the video warranted an investigation of sorts. if that has or will happen, then good.
Agreed for the most part. I just believe that law makers should be held to high standards on knowing laws and made examples of when they break them.
Oh, I hope that applies to Trump, too.
Nah, he has an R beside his name. Everything's cool.
The difference seems to be who are we willing to believe and give a benefit of the doubt to. In this case, some think Mallard should get the benefit of the doubt. I don't know her and have nothing to base any trust on, whereas a Donald Trump and Kellyane Conway have been shown to lie about any little thing they can no matter how obvious the lie. Credibility matters and in this case I am neutral until I hear otherwise.
I think it needs to be followed up on by someone in LE if it hasn't already happened so Mallard understands the confusion her video may create for those unfamiliar with gun laws.
agree 100%. I, for one, have not claimed that she was guilty or innocent. the video warranted an investigation of sorts. if that has or will happen, then good.
Agreed for the most part. I just believe that law makers should be held to high standards on knowing laws and made examples of when they break them.
That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
That is sad, but the reality is that cars operated by humans hit and kill many, many people every day. It is extremely likely that driverless cars will injure and kill fewer people, but it will never be zero.
I agree. Driverless cars are WAAAAY safer than human operated ones. Nothing is ever 100%, but driverless sure gets us closer to it than dumb human drivers ever will. I hope we're ALL driverless in my lifetime... it will shrink accidents/traffic deaths to a tiny number, and it will also pretty much elimimate all traffic jams. I honestly could not care less about people "liking" the control they have as drivers, considering the benefits of getting the wheel out of all their hands.
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There is more evidence that it is operable than there is of it not.
"Virginia Beach Police confirmed Thursday afternoon the gun was in their possession and waiting to be picked up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."
If there was anyone to validate your accusations, it appears they have already been involved and declined to press any charges.
“VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WVEC) -- The Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is investigating congressional candidate Karen Mallard after she posted a video on Facebook that shows her cutting apart an AR-15 rifle”
https://www.king5.com/amp/article?section=news&subsection=local&topic=mycity&subtopic=virginia-beach&headline=atf-investigating-after-congressional-candidate-cut-apart-ar-15&contentId=291-526898428
Did you want her to put in the trash for next week's garbage day pick up? Take it to the recycling center? Ship it back to Colt's Manufacturing Company?
https://www.king5.com/amp/article?section=news&subsection=local&topic=mycity&subtopic=virginia-beach&headline=atf-investigating-after-congressional-candidate-cut-apart-ar-15&contentId=291-526898428
“The Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is investigating congressional candidate Karen Mallard after she posted a video on Facebook that shows her cutting apart an AR-15 rifle.”
I think that the law enforcement agency would just destroy it or auction it off if it wasn’t an illegal firearm...but instead, they thought the BATFE should look into it?l
https://virginia.ourcommunitynow.com/news/karen-mallard-rifle-felony/
They probably have some obligation to investigate because a bunch of gun nuts reported her.
If the ATF didn't investigate, you'd have a bunch of gun nuts screaming about the deep state or some other dumb crap.
I look forward the ATF's statement: "We've looked into the situation and closed our file, thank you for your concern."
I think it needs to be followed up on by someone in LE if it hasn't already happened so Mallard understands the confusion her video may create for those unfamiliar with gun laws.
Master Police Officer Tonya Pierce, spokeswoman for the Virginia Beach Police Department, confirmed that the rifle was in the department's possession. Pierce told 13News Now the ATF was looking into the situation.
That's it.
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Auction it off? So keep it in circulation? Kind of defeats the purpose don't you think?
I can see why people are so up in arms over this though... some Americans place the value of guns over the value of children. This mutilation of the AR15 was likely shocking to some.
This kind of stuff makes me sick , she should be charged with cruelty to an animal !
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/self-driving-uber-involved-in-pedestrian-death-in-arizona_us_5aafeabbe4b0697dfe193348
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/demo-congressman-hints-at-armed-rebellion-against-trump.html