2018 Tour > Facing a Politics-heavy tour (ala 1996) all over again?

tbergs said:

rvapete said:

I like angry Eddie far more than family Eddie. Sirens and LB are pukatoriums.  Get Away and My Fathers Son are the only tracks I seek out playing on that album 

Pukatoriums That is definitely my new favorite word!

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

My point was the president can't control those things, but people will lash out at Trump but not Obama. Maybe I was too subtle. Should I just spell it out with 3rd grade lyrics? 

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

My point was the president can't control those things, but people will lash out at Trump but not Obama. Maybe I was too subtle. Should I just spell it out with 3rd grade lyrics? 

And my point was that two of the three examples you gave were pretty weak. Is that clear enough?

Obama had control on Congress and democrats chose not to address gun control. So make sure you are making you point to those in control.  If you want to get into a debate on what each side gets done, I'm fine with that. The overall point was the frustration should be consistent with a broken system with both parties, and they lose credibility by being activists but not holding everyone accountable IMO. I am not registered to either party and in fact have voted for both in elections. I lean a little right center but I loved Springsteen's Magic album which very clearly had a message but expressed it through stories in songs. They are artists and my hope is they let their music do the talking. 

RYME said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

My point was the president can't control those things, but people will lash out at Trump but not Obama. Maybe I was too subtle. Should I just spell it out with 3rd grade lyrics? 

And my point was that two of the three examples you gave were pretty weak. Is that clear enough?

Obama had control on Congress and democrats chose not to address gun control. So make sure you are making you point to those in control.  If you want to get into a debate on what each side gets done, I'm fine with that. The overall point was the frustration should be consistent with a broken system with both parties, and they lose credibility by being activists but not holding everyone accountable IMO. I am not registered to either party and in fact have voted for both in elections. I lean a little right center but I loved Springsteen's Magic album which very clearly had a message but expressed it through stories in songs. They are artists and my hope is they let their music do the talking. 

They are not obligated to align their frustrations with yours. Neither is anyone else.

Obama had control of congress for one cycle. The GOP had control for the remaining six years. Regardless, my point remains. Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill passed by congress at any point during his administration.

Again, you gave two examples that I thought were poor and I expressed that to you. If you want to disagree, that's fine.

The president does not "control"  the Congress. The Democrats had majorities in the House, & Senate, and of course the President Obama(D)
They did nothing when they had the chance.

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

My point was the president can't control those things, but people will lash out at Trump but not Obama. Maybe I was too subtle. Should I just spell it out with 3rd grade lyrics? 

And my point was that two of the three examples you gave were pretty weak. Is that clear enough?

Obama had control on Congress and democrats chose not to address gun control. So make sure you are making you point to those in control.  If you want to get into a debate on what each side gets done, I'm fine with that. The overall point was the frustration should be consistent with a broken system with both parties, and they lose credibility by being activists but not holding everyone accountable IMO. I am not registered to either party and in fact have voted for both in elections. I lean a little right center but I loved Springsteen's Magic album which very clearly had a message but expressed it through stories in songs. They are artists and my hope is they let their music do the talking. 

They are not obligated to align their frustrations with yours. Neither is anyone else.

Obama had control of congress for one cycle. The GOP had control for the remaining six years. Regardless, my point remains. Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill passed by congress at any point during his administration.

Again, you gave two examples that I thought were poor and I expressed that to you. If you want to disagree, that's fine.

I gave a couple examples of topics of national debate followed by ... indicating that was just the beginning of potential topics. In the very next sentence I explained no president can greatly impact that alone. The fact that you chose to only highlight those points and not the tone of the statement is telling. And yes I do say 'IMO' and 'my hope' as I am expressing what I think. I think many people are frustrated with the US political system, and about half come at it from different points of view. Good, objective debate at all times can be healthy and we should hold all our leaders accountable.  

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

JimmyV said:

jstu39 said:

PJ should hold Trump accountable with the same level of disspointment and anger that they held Obama accountable.  Obama did not improve our country with gun control, eliminate any wars, improve the racial tensions... In many ways no president can because that's not how the US government works. The fact that they pout when they don't get their way is juvenile and Trump laughs as everyone overreacts to his methods. Vote for Change was fine because it was billed as a political rally. Yes some personal opinions from any artist will enter a performance, but I am hopeful they let their music do the talking. Write good songs that capture what they want to say. They always encourage people to vote, and half the people don't seem to agree with them. For me they don't tour as often as before so I hope they come within a 5 hour drive of where I live because I'd love to see them perform the music that has resonated with me for so long. 

Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill Congress passed.

Obama had no power to make racists in this country less racist.

My point was the president can't control those things, but people will lash out at Trump but not Obama. Maybe I was too subtle. Should I just spell it out with 3rd grade lyrics? 

And my point was that two of the three examples you gave were pretty weak. Is that clear enough?

Obama had control on Congress and democrats chose not to address gun control. So make sure you are making you point to those in control.  If you want to get into a debate on what each side gets done, I'm fine with that. The overall point was the frustration should be consistent with a broken system with both parties, and they lose credibility by being activists but not holding everyone accountable IMO. I am not registered to either party and in fact have voted for both in elections. I lean a little right center but I loved Springsteen's Magic album which very clearly had a message but expressed it through stories in songs. They are artists and my hope is they let their music do the talking. 

They are not obligated to align their frustrations with yours. Neither is anyone else.

Obama had control of congress for one cycle. The GOP had control for the remaining six years. Regardless, my point remains. Obama would have almost certainly signed any gun control bill passed by congress at any point during his administration.

Again, you gave two examples that I thought were poor and I expressed that to you. If you want to disagree, that's fine.

I gave a couple examples of topics of national debate followed by ... indicating that was just the beginning of potential topics. In the very next sentence I explained no president can greatly impact that alone. The fact that you chose to only highlight those points and not the tone of the statement is telling. And yes I do say 'IMO' and 'my hope' as I am expressing what I think. I think many people are frustrated with the US political system, and about half come at it from different points of view. Good, objective debate at all times can be healthy and we should hold all our leaders accountable.  

Dude, you blamed Obama for not improving race relations in this country. You want to talk about things that are telling?

I clearly stated no individual president can change a country that way or with many of the challenges the US faces. And racial tensions did boil during the Obama years. And to blame him is equivalent to blaming other presidents for social issues that happen when they are in office. You are proving my point. It's a bigger problem than blaming Trump.  Or Obama. Or Bush. Or Clinton.