America's Gun Violence

tempo_n_groove said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

^^^

What is your question?

You are making statements. You haven't asked anything.

Shouldn't we be doing more to figure out "why" these mass murders are mostly being caused by young men and boys?

Young men between the ages of about 14 and mid twenties are always the most violent, in any culture and at any point in history. I’m not sure that we need to wonder about that; it’s nothing new. In the US that violence is expressed with gun violence, whereas in other countries without the easy access to guns it is expressed through fist fights and the like. 

So, we’re back to the issue of gun access. 

There are complexities to do with culture and socialization, but that’s the reality. 

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole gun freak culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

josevolution said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

The guy in vegas was older than that too ..

I know there are exceptions where people are older.  Who is going into the schools and shooting them up?

Young men and young boys?  Yes or no?

Everyone seems to be ignoring that issue, as usual. This is probably the 20th time the fact that this is a problem with males has been mentioned in this thread, half the time by me, and perhaps the other half by you, and almost nobody ever has a single thing to say about it. It's very frustrating that nobody has any intention of ever changing what really needs to change. Everyone just keeps talking about gun regulations (which I do support as an "it can't hurt; it can only help" kind of thing, but they're not going to get to the root of the problem at all).

Put it on a sticker and he'd read it!
just kidding.

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole gun freak culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

josevolution said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

The guy in vegas was older than that too ..

I know there are exceptions where people are older.  Who is going into the schools and shooting them up?

Young men and young boys?  Yes or no?

Everyone seems to be ignoring that issue, as usual. This is probably the 20th time the fact that this is a problem with males has been mentioned in this thread, half the time by me, and perhaps the other half by you, and almost nobody ever has a single thing to say about it. It's very frustrating that nobody has any intention of ever changing what really needs to change. Everyone just keeps talking about gun regulations (which I do support as an "it can't hurt; it can only help" kind of thing, but they're not going to get to the root of the problem at all).

So, what is "getting to the root of the problem"? Removing all males? I just don't understand what you're getting at or suggesting. As a group, males in the age range I mentioned are always more violent, everywhere. It isn't an American thing, it isn't a Western thing, it isn't a modern thing - it's just the way it is. Same as it ever was.

Boys/girls... men/women... different animals.

We don't need to investigate why it's 'boys' or 'men' committing these acts. We only need to look at the history of civilization to understand that the male gender is much more prone to violence than women. I'll go one step further and say that much more often than not... if a woman has committed a violent act... it's because some man has affected her. I say this from the vantage point of a man.

Stop reaching: the problem is guns. Pure and simple. The sheer number of them and the characteristics of some of them.

The US has no immediate solution and is in for a few more decades of these horrific acts, but that doesn't mean 'do nothing'... it means take the steps that your forefathers failed to do to keep people safer (for your kids).

Without question... another 20 years of selling AR15s and their ilk... and easy access isn't making the country safer. Get serious people. Nobody is buying any garbage spewed forth to the contrary. I mean to say... nobody with any common sense. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Boys/girls... men/women... different animals.

We don't need to investigate why it's 'boys' or 'men' committing these acts. We only need to look at the history of civilization to understand that the male gender is much more prone to violence than women. I'll go one step further and say that much more often than not... if a woman has committed a violent act... it's because some man has affected her. I say this from the vantage point of a man.

Stop reaching: the problem is guns. Pure and simple. The sheer number of them and the characteristics of some of them.

The US has no immediate solution and is in for a few more decades of these horrific acts, but that doesn't mean 'do nothing'... it means take the steps that your forefathers failed to do to keep people safer (for your kids).

Without question... another 20 years of selling AR15s and their ilk... and easy access isn't making the country safer. Get serious people. Nobody is buying any garbage spewed forth to the contrary. I mean to say... nobody with any common sense. 

If something has been a problem since the dawn of civilization, why would that not be worth a look-see?

This argument is stupid.

Are boys and men in the US different than boys and men in... oh... say Canada? No.

The only difference in the two countries are the type of weapons each country affords their boys and men... and the amount of weapons each country's boys and men possess.

Time to get serious here.

I don't  think that anyone is saying that there is an issue more important than gun control. It is just frustrating to hear that others consider it a hopeless cause to consider the part men play in this gun violence, because it has always been this way.