Silencing Opposing Speech

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Well I’m glad he hasn’t mentioned my name or business because Alex and I have had our share of issues.  I threw a stack of his infowars mags onto the hood of his pickup and exchanged vulgarities and middle fingers with him at 5am several years ago after he kept dropping his shitty propaganda off at my restaurant even after I told him we didn’t want it.  He still comes in and acts like it never happened, but I haven’t seen him the last few months 
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Talib Kweli wrote a pretty interesting piece about the “paradox of self victimization by the alt right” regarding freedom of speech. 
    https://twitter.com/brooklynmarie/status/969746473104519169?s=21
  • dignin
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Merkin Baller said:
    Talib Kweli wrote a pretty interesting piece about the “paradox of self victimization by the alt right” regarding freedom of speech. 
    https://twitter.com/brooklynmarie/status/969746473104519169?s=21
    Some great points in there.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    dignin said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Talib Kweli wrote a pretty interesting piece about the “paradox of self victimization by the alt right” regarding freedom of speech. 
    https://twitter.com/brooklynmarie/status/969746473104519169?s=21
    Some great points in there.

    Yes. I think this last paragraph neatly sums up what for me is the most important idea, and why I don't have any issue at all with Alex Jones potentially being banned from YouTube, a private company.

    Freedom of speech in America simply means the government cannot arrest you for what you say. This I agree with. This doesn’t mean I must tolerate or listen to what you have to say, and it doesn’t mean that your misinformed opinions must be treated as fact or with respect, either in the flesh or on social media. The First Amendment does not protect you from criticism or protest of your ideas. If what you choose to say or write gets you banned from a community, yelled at, fired from your job, or called mean names, your right to free speech is not being violated. You are just receiving the karmic consequences of using your free speech to advocate for hate. There are places in the world where free speech is truly being suppressed. Your Twitter account is not one of them.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Smellyman said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ePLkAm8i2s
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Poor, poor, poor Devin Nunes. He’s so very upset about the opposition. Yo! Devin, you fucking traitor, own some responsibility, yo! Blaming comedians as the greatest threat to our democracy? Were you in the PTAPE too?

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    unsung said:
    So Alex Jones is apparently a strike away from being banned on youtube, supposedly there is an organized reporting campaign flooding youtube to forcefully remove him.

    I don't listen to Alex Jones but I believe this is dangerous territory. 

    I know Alex Jones is known to be of the Conspiracy mindset, but I feel he has made some worthwhile points on some common issues, but he comes across as the boy who cried wolf.

    I have not known him to be called a racist, or promoting hate speech, he certainly demonizes anyone who criticizes Jews, and he doesn't appear to be alt-right (although definitions of that seem to be varying).

    So what is it?  Why the fear in what he has to say?  If he is a known conspiracy theorist then why not just ignore him?

    I think I know the answer.  I believe the fear is that the left doesn't want any forms of communication to exist that doesn't conform 100% with the agenda.

    Tragically the left used to be the group that fought for free speech, not it seems to be all about silencing any opposing opinion.
    Alex Jones, back at it again.


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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,516
    edited March 2018
    JimmyV said:
    unsung said:
    So Alex Jones is apparently a strike away from being banned on youtube, supposedly there is an organized reporting campaign flooding youtube to forcefully remove him.

    I don't listen to Alex Jones but I believe this is dangerous territory. 

    I know Alex Jones is known to be of the Conspiracy mindset, but I feel he has made some worthwhile points on some common issues, but he comes across as the boy who cried wolf.

    I have not known him to be called a racist, or promoting hate speech, he certainly demonizes anyone who criticizes Jews, and he doesn't appear to be alt-right (although definitions of that seem to be varying).

    So what is it?  Why the fear in what he has to say?  If he is a known conspiracy theorist then why not just ignore him?

    I think I know the answer.  I believe the fear is that the left doesn't want any forms of communication to exist that doesn't conform 100% with the agenda.

    Tragically the left used to be the group that fought for free speech, not it seems to be all about silencing any opposing opinion.
    Alex Jones, back at it again.


    F#&king fearful, hateful, ignorant, anti-Semitic a$$hole.
    And that  goes for his supporters/believers as well
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    JimmyV said:
    unsung said:
    So Alex Jones is apparently a strike away from being banned on youtube, supposedly there is an organized reporting campaign flooding youtube to forcefully remove him.

    I don't listen to Alex Jones but I believe this is dangerous territory. 

    I know Alex Jones is known to be of the Conspiracy mindset, but I feel he has made some worthwhile points on some common issues, but he comes across as the boy who cried wolf.

    I have not known him to be called a racist, or promoting hate speech, he certainly demonizes anyone who criticizes Jews, and he doesn't appear to be alt-right (although definitions of that seem to be varying).

    So what is it?  Why the fear in what he has to say?  If he is a known conspiracy theorist then why not just ignore him?

    I think I know the answer.  I believe the fear is that the left doesn't want any forms of communication to exist that doesn't conform 100% with the agenda.

    Tragically the left used to be the group that fought for free speech, not it seems to be all about silencing any opposing opinion.
    Alex Jones, back at it again.


    Could she not sue him for slander over this?
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  • dankind
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    PJ_Soul said:
    JimmyV said:
    unsung said:
    So Alex Jones is apparently a strike away from being banned on youtube, supposedly there is an organized reporting campaign flooding youtube to forcefully remove him.

    I don't listen to Alex Jones but I believe this is dangerous territory. 

    I know Alex Jones is known to be of the Conspiracy mindset, but I feel he has made some worthwhile points on some common issues, but he comes across as the boy who cried wolf.

    I have not known him to be called a racist, or promoting hate speech, he certainly demonizes anyone who criticizes Jews, and he doesn't appear to be alt-right (although definitions of that seem to be varying).

    So what is it?  Why the fear in what he has to say?  If he is a known conspiracy theorist then why not just ignore him?

    I think I know the answer.  I believe the fear is that the left doesn't want any forms of communication to exist that doesn't conform 100% with the agenda.

    Tragically the left used to be the group that fought for free speech, not it seems to be all about silencing any opposing opinion.
    Alex Jones, back at it again.


    Could she not sue him for slander over this?
    I'm sure she has more important things to do. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:
    Who pays for facetard?
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  • JimmyV
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    unsung said:
    Yeah, we really are overrun by liberals defending Facebook these days. You've truly got your finger on the pulse of the nation.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    Someone email Allie and let her know who anti-discrimination laws cover and also what a false equivalency is.  
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    Go Beavers said:
    Someone email Allie and let her know who anti-discrimination laws cover and also what a false equivalency is.  

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Could we maybe get proof that fb is discriminating against conservatives? I’d like to see that proof. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    Well if they do discriminate against conservatives, they are really, really bad at discriminating, lol. Last I heard, facebook was used as a tool by conservatives to influence the presidential election in the GOP's favour.
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  • Go Beavers
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    I think that might be referencing Facebook filtering out more pro-conservative news or apparently having a pro-liberal bias in the the little news feed that’s off to the right that I ignore. I think conservatives are upset that facebook is delivering content that correlates with their audience values. 

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