Silencing Opposing Speech

Big Bank Hank · February 2018

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

No, I’m fairly certain the child sex rings on Mars don’t exist and I’m comfortable believing that even if I haven’t been there to check. You can choose to do otherwise if you wish. You can, in fact, start your own media channel, but you can’t insist that other people facilitate it, just like Jones can’t.

I am just smarter than to pay attention to it, just because I advocate for free speech, doesn't mean I advocate for anything they are saying, just the right to say it

Big Bank Hank · February 2018

rgambs said:

@Big Bank Hank
What do you think about the point I made, that he knowingly incites threats of violence with personal defamations based on ZERO credibli evidence?

when has he incited any violence? please give me examples, or is that just some made up thing you pulled out of the air, because anyone promoting violence should be dealt with accordingly and that goes for both sides

Big Bank Hank · February 2018

JimmyV said:

Big Bank Hank said:

JimmyV said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

Alex Jones insists the Newtown shootings never happened and declared the Boston Marathon attack a "false-flag" as it was happening. These are just two of his many blatant lies. Holding him accountable for those lies has nothing to do with criticizing the government.

and you aren't smart enough to figure out he's full of shit? you don't give people enough credit for freedom of choice & belief, you believe in a lot of things you have no proof of

Of course he's full of shit. His problem isn't that I know it. It is that YouTube doesn't want him and his particular brand of shit on its platform. No one has told Jones he cannot be hateful and disingenuous. No one has taken away his right to free speech.

Exactly because people like Alex Jones just make the left look better, people who are well spoken and more polite but with the same agenda are far more dangerous

oftenreading · February 2018

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

No, I’m fairly certain the child sex rings on Mars don’t exist and I’m comfortable believing that even if I haven’t been there to check. You can choose to do otherwise if you wish. You can, in fact, start your own media channel, but you can’t insist that other people facilitate it, just like Jones can’t.

I am just smarter than to pay attention to it, just because I advocate for free speech, doesn't mean I advocate for anything they are saying, just the right to say it

And Jones has the right to say it WHEN he doesn’t harm others, but others don’t have to facilitate him to do so. That’s how it works.

Big Bank Hank · February 2018

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

No, I’m fairly certain the child sex rings on Mars don’t exist and I’m comfortable believing that even if I haven’t been there to check. You can choose to do otherwise if you wish. You can, in fact, start your own media channel, but you can’t insist that other people facilitate it, just like Jones can’t.

I am just smarter than to pay attention to it, just because I advocate for free speech, doesn't mean I advocate for anything they are saying, just the right to say it

And Jones has the right to say it WHEN he doesn’t harm others, but others don’t have to facilitate him to do so. That’s how it works.

there have always been opposition views since this country started, the Civil War was started because Southern Democrats wanted to keep slavery, what if they had eliminated free speech from the people wanting to end slavery?

dignin · February 2018

rgambs said:

@Big Bank Hank
What do you think about the point I made, that he knowingly incites threats of violence with personal defamations based on ZERO credibli evidence?

For profit.

Halifax2TheMax · February 2018

Big Bank Hank said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

Opinion not based in fact and unhinged from reality shouldn't be propagated, considered an alternative opinion or given serious consideration in the "spectrum of acceptable opinion." Its waaaaaay far outside the "spectrum of acceptable opinion."

what facts? you are accepting the words of people you never met and accepting it on a willingness to believe that's faith because you never actually witnessed it so that entire statement is complete BS!

Because that's what objective people do, they take what one person or a group of people say as gospel. There are things called facts, actually factual. Then there are falsehoods. Its usually pretty easy to see the difference. So, according to you, the only facts that exist are the ones that have been personally witnessed? Sure.

Halifax2TheMax · February 2018

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

No, I’m fairly certain the child sex rings on Mars don’t exist and I’m comfortable believing that even if I haven’t been there to check. You can choose to do otherwise if you wish. You can, in fact, start your own media channel, but you can’t insist that other people facilitate it, just like Jones can’t.

Have you ever been to Mars? Witnessed it?

Big Bank Hank · February 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

Big Bank Hank said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

Opinion not based in fact and unhinged from reality shouldn't be propagated, considered an alternative opinion or given serious consideration in the "spectrum of acceptable opinion." Its waaaaaay far outside the "spectrum of acceptable opinion."

what facts? you are accepting the words of people you never met and accepting it on a willingness to believe that's faith because you never actually witnessed it so that entire statement is complete BS!

Because that's what objective people do, they take what one person or a group of people say as gospel. There are things called facts, actually factual. Then there are falsehoods. Its usually pretty easy to see the difference. So, according to you, the only facts that exist are the ones that have been personally witnessed? Sure.

but if you aren't their to observe them you are taking it on faith, you are showing faith in someone else's word that they are telling the truth, you never actually observed any of this yourself, and just cause you read it, doesn't make them right and doesn't make it fact.

oftenreading · February 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

No, I’m fairly certain the child sex rings on Mars don’t exist and I’m comfortable believing that even if I haven’t been there to check. You can choose to do otherwise if you wish. You can, in fact, start your own media channel, but you can’t insist that other people facilitate it, just like Jones can’t.

Have you ever been to Mars? Witnessed it?

As I said, no. But I have a certain familiarity with scientific facts so I’ll go with that. Others can choose differently.

Halifax2TheMax · February 2018

Big Bank Hank said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Big Bank Hank said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

Opinion not based in fact and unhinged from reality shouldn't be propagated, considered an alternative opinion or given serious consideration in the "spectrum of acceptable opinion." Its waaaaaay far outside the "spectrum of acceptable opinion."

what facts? you are accepting the words of people you never met and accepting it on a willingness to believe that's faith because you never actually witnessed it so that entire statement is complete BS!

Because that's what objective people do, they take what one person or a group of people say as gospel. There are things called facts, actually factual. Then there are falsehoods. Its usually pretty easy to see the difference. So, according to you, the only facts that exist are the ones that have been personally witnessed? Sure.

but if you aren't their to observe them you are taking it on faith, you are showing faith in someone else's word that they are telling the truth, you never actually observed any of this yourself, and just cause you read it, doesn't make them right and doesn't make it fact.

I've never seen you dance out in front of Easy Street Records. Its all a conspiracy, its not true. Why should I believe Pearl Jam's Instagram account? Or your invitation to come watch? In fact, I don't think you've danced 44 Saturdays in a row because, according to you, if I didn't witness it, I'm taking a leap of faith. Damn, I so wanted to believe.

oftenreading · February 2018

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

No, I’m fairly certain the child sex rings on Mars don’t exist and I’m comfortable believing that even if I haven’t been there to check. You can choose to do otherwise if you wish. You can, in fact, start your own media channel, but you can’t insist that other people facilitate it, just like Jones can’t.

I am just smarter than to pay attention to it, just because I advocate for free speech, doesn't mean I advocate for anything they are saying, just the right to say it

And Jones has the right to say it WHEN he doesn’t harm others, but others don’t have to facilitate him to do so. That’s how it works.

there have always been opposition views since this country started, the Civil War was started because Southern Democrats wanted to keep slavery, what if they had eliminated free speech from the people wanting to end slavery?

Pardon? Of course there are always opposing points of view. Have I said there are not, or argued against people expressing them, so long as why don’t harm others? I can’t quite see your point here.

Big Bank Hank · February 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Big Bank Hank said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

Unless he says something false about an individual or makes threats on YouTube, I'd have to say a ban is not a good idea. But who watches that creep anyway? If he were ignored, he would go away. Just don't watch dumb shit.

Have you watched Alex Jones? It’s rare that he actually says anything true about anyone. He probably hits a few dozen falsehoods each episode.

LOL, we always bashed Russia for not allowing their citizens to make conflicting statements to the Government, now we are doing the same thing in the United States, you are attempting the limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, because most of us aren't actually there, and we have to accept others accounts, they could be completely full of shit and we'd never know, unless we have them on video tape or something. Otherwise you are accepting the words of people you never met on a willingness to believe, a leap of, dare I say it, faith.

No, I’m fairly certain the child sex rings on Mars don’t exist and I’m comfortable believing that even if I haven’t been there to check. You can choose to do otherwise if you wish. You can, in fact, start your own media channel, but you can’t insist that other people facilitate it, just like Jones can’t.

Have you ever been to Mars? Witnessed it?

Exactly, ironically It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia nails it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJDgVlv55Uw

Bentleyspop · February 2018

Alex Jones has every right to be an ignorant hateful idiot
Just as his followers have every right to be ignorant hateful.idiots
Just as Youtube/Google have very right to shut down the channel they have allowed him to have.

unsung · February 2018

Twitter is also silencing speech.

Facebook has done it.

If it isn't inciting violence, threatening someone, outright racism, or blatant hate should it be censored? Even by a private compnay. Why the fear in the opposing viewpoint?

Halifax2TheMax · February 2018

unsung said:

Twitter is also silencing speech.

Facebook has done it.

If it isn't inciting violence, threatening someone, outright racism, or blatant hate should it be censored? Even by a private compnay. Why the fear in the opposing viewpoint?

Because their not obligated to share the "opposing" viewpoint from their own, whatever it may be. Would the Pro-Life Movement allow a pro-Planned Parenthood message? Why fear the opposing viewpoint?

unsung · February 2018

Tell you what, wipe the slate clean, no more taxpayer subsidies for anything. Let's start with an even playing field.

Halifax2TheMax · February 2018

unsung said:

Tell you what, wipe the slate clean, no more taxpayer subsidies for anything. Let's start with an even playing field.

You start. Lets see how long the list can get.

Big Bank Hank · February 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

Twitter is also silencing speech.

Facebook has done it.

If it isn't inciting violence, threatening someone, outright racism, or blatant hate should it be censored? Even by a private compnay. Why the fear in the opposing viewpoint?

Because their not obligated to share the "opposing" viewpoint from their own, whatever it may be. Would the Pro-Life Movement allow a pro-Planned Parenthood message? Why fear the opposing viewpoint?

Bezos is getting a lot of money from US Intelligence, so you really think that doesn't effect what is their papers? Like they are going to publish anything that the people who are paying them wouldn't like? If you answered no, then you just don't understand how for profit corporations work. Apple is getting a sweetheart deal from Chinese government & what's to stop them from giving all our information to them? You get into a slippery slope when you start doing things subjectively instead of objectively which most people are incapable of once they get to a certain point in life.

unsung · February 2018

It would be HUGE.

I'd start with the energy industry and the dairy industry.

Then I'd go after Elon Musk's subsidies.

Then anyone that supported GMO's.

That would be the first day.

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