America's Gun Violence

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

As I m looking into my yard I thought of: the chance of someone drowning in your backyard increases when you have a pool. 

Well... seeing as you've brought it up... there are many by-laws to pool ownership aimed at public safety. For example, your pool needs to be fenced in so toddlers cannot make the mistake of accessing the pool and falling in. Homeowners are liable when accidents occur in their pools on their property if safety measures were neglected.

Weird eh? I mean... I know gun owners are 'encouraged' to lock their firearms up, but many don't and as a result... accidents occur. Gun owners are rarely held responsible for their negligence.

Guns are tools designed specifically to shoot a hole into something (to paraphrase Lynyrd Skynyrd: guns are made for killing... they ain't no good for nothing else). Pools are designed for leisure.

Pools have tougher restrictions than guns? Weird, man.

And no post of mine in this thread would be complete with one... good... 'YEE HAW GIT 'ER Dun'.

lol

all solid points bud.  You hitting up the seattle oar wrigley shows?

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

As I m looking into my yard I thought of: the chance of someone drowning in your backyard increases when you have a pool. 

Well... seeing as you've brought it up... there are many by-laws to pool ownership aimed at public safety. For example, your pool needs to be fenced in so toddlers cannot make the mistake of accessing the pool and falling in. Homeowners are liable when accidents occur in their pools on their property if safety measures were neglected.

Weird eh? I mean... I know gun owners are 'encouraged' to lock their firearms up, but many don't and as a result... accidents occur. Gun owners are rarely held responsible for their negligence.

Guns are tools designed specifically to shoot a hole into something (to paraphrase Lynyrd Skynyrd: guns are made for killing... they ain't no good for nothing else). Pools are designed for leisure.

Pools have tougher restrictions than guns? Weird, man.

And no post of mine in this thread would be complete with one... good... 'YEE HAW GIT 'ER Dun'.

lol

all solid points bud.  You hitting up the seattle oar wrigley shows?

Seattle (I hope... I'm just a tad concerned re: the ticket situation).

You getting your ass out to the west coast or no? We can meet up... go for some chowder... and drink a bunch of IPAs!

 I'm not sure how many nights of coverage we have with the kids so seattle doesn't seem worth it for such a short amount of time.  I'm heading to chicago night 2 this time around.  

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Another responsible gun owner, I’m sure.

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Having a firearm in your household exponentially increases the likelihood of someone getting hurt or killed with it.

that's like saying if you have a fireplace in your home your chances of having a fire will increase.  It's a pretty obvious statement Del.  

I have lots of beer in my house, my chances of getting drunk are increased.

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Another responsible gun owner, I’m sure.

Man Celebrating 21st Birthday Kills Himself Minutes After Accidentally Killing His Best Friend, Police Say - TIME https://apple.news/AejklQ_b8QCC23Gg7jEYHuA

at's 
Having a firearm in your household exponentially increases the likelihood of someone getting hurt or killed with it.

that's like saying if you have a fireplace in your home your chances of having a fire will increase.  It's a pretty obvious statement Del.  

I have lots of beer in my house, my chances of getting drunk are increased.

the whole point of this, though, is that people argue they keep guns in their house for protection, when so often the opposite occurs; they end up shooting themselves or someone they care about instead of a big bad boogeyman. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Another responsible gun owner, I’m sure.

Man Celebrating 21st Birthday Kills Himself Minutes After Accidentally Killing His Best Friend, Police Say - TIME https://apple.news/AejklQ_b8QCC23Gg7jEYHuA

at's 
Having a firearm in your household exponentially increases the likelihood of someone getting hurt or killed with it.

that's like saying if you have a fireplace in your home your chances of having a fire will increase.  It's a pretty obvious statement Del.  

I have lots of beer in my house, my chances of getting drunk are increased.

the whole point of this, though, is that people argue they keep guns in their house for protection, when so often the opposite occurs; they end up shooting themselves or someone they care about instead of a big bad boogeyman. 

I guess it is a matter of risk and mediating those risks.  Having draino in the house increased the risk of a child drinking draino...that’s why you lock it up or keep it out of reach...Taking appropriate measures to prevent accidents mitigates many of the associated risks.  

but if you store the gun properly and safely, there's pretty much zero chance of it helping you in a break in. 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4g8777

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Another responsible gun owner, I’m sure.

Man Celebrating 21st Birthday Kills Himself Minutes After Accidentally Killing His Best Friend, Police Say - TIME https://apple.news/AejklQ_b8QCC23Gg7jEYHuA

at's 
Having a firearm in your household exponentially increases the likelihood of someone getting hurt or killed with it.

that's like saying if you have a fireplace in your home your chances of having a fire will increase.  It's a pretty obvious statement Del.  

I have lots of beer in my house, my chances of getting drunk are increased.

the whole point of this, though, is that people argue they keep guns in their house for protection, when so often the opposite occurs; they end up shooting themselves or someone they care about instead of a big bad boogeyman. 

I guess it is a matter of risk and mediating those risks.  Having draino in the house increased the risk of a child drinking draino...that’s why you lock it up or keep it out of reach...Taking appropriate measures to prevent accidents mitigates many of the associated risks.  

but if you store the gun properly and safely, there's pretty much zero chance of it helping you in a break in. 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4g8777

Evidently you missed the quick access safe discussion we had a while back.  There are plenty of options out there that provide quick access as well as safe storing.  Bedside biometric or coded handgun safes have been around a while now.  Most gun owners I know have some variant of them.

I did miss that, and that's great. But I'd like to see stats on what percentage of gun owners actually have them, and how affordable such a thing really is. 

My handgun is stored in one.  In addition every single rifle and shotgun I own has a trigger lock and is stored in a safe.

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

As I m looking into my yard I thought of: the chance of someone drowning in your backyard increases when you have a pool. 

Well... seeing as you've brought it up... there are many by-laws to pool ownership aimed at public safety. For example, your pool needs to be fenced in so toddlers cannot make the mistake of accessing the pool and falling in. Homeowners are liable when accidents occur in their pools on their property if safety measures were neglected.

Weird eh? I mean... I know gun owners are 'encouraged' to lock their firearms up, but many don't and as a result... accidents occur. Gun owners are rarely held responsible for their negligence.

Guns are tools designed specifically to shoot a hole into something (to paraphrase Lynyrd Skynyrd: guns are made for killing... they ain't no good for nothing else). Pools are designed for leisure.

Pools have tougher restrictions than guns? Weird, man.

And no post of mine in this thread would be complete with one... good... 'YEE HAW GIT 'ER Dun'.

lol

That isn't completely true. I know very few people with a fence around their pool. My parents had a pool built just a couple years ago, had to get a city inspection for approval and everything. They were not allowed to have in ground lights in the walkway leading to the pool so they had to remove those. But nothing about fences. I think think you get an insurance discount with a fence, but there's nothing legal or illegal about it.
I think I know of 1 person, my aunt, who has a fenced pool, but definiately isn't a requirement.
But I agree I think locking up a firearm should be a requirement, and if someone gets injured because you didn't, then you should be liable. So I agree completely with your analogy even though I'm not sure it is entirely accurate.