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leia is his mom? she was/is a skywalker no?rgambs said:
They done brosef!elvistheking44 said:
I will come back to your other points in more detail, but first things first....the Skywalkers are certainly not done.rgambs said:
The Skywalkers are done. The story has moved beyond the Skywalkers.elvistheking44 said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what this amazing new ground was broken and what parts of this story moved us foreword.rgambs said:
The Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope!elvistheking44 said:
I absolutely LOVED The Force Awakens. The story went nowhere near anything forward. Maybe sideways at best. It’s plain bad story telling and movie making.rgambs said:If you want to watch the originals over and over for the rest of your life, do so.
The story needs to move forward, it can't just stay the same forever.
Rogue One was a dead end nostalgia trip.
The Last Jedi was the first to break new ground since the originals.
Not liking it is fine, nobody is obligated to agree with the direction of the narrative, but calling it bad filmmaking is ridiculous.
That's huge.
The Sith/Jedi opposition is done. The supreme coldy evil character has been replaced (at least for now) with a hotly conflicted upstart.
That's huge.
The Kylo-Rey connection and relationship is unlike anything we've seen, and the new mental Force powers are practically limitless.
The good guys are on the ropes far worse than they have ever been.
One of the staple characters of the story, the wild nd wreckless cowboy, was finally put in check and learned about humility.
Anakin, gone. Luke, gone. Leia, soon gone. Ben Solo? His name's Ben Solo, not Ben Skywalker lol
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Yes she is so, even though I am not proficient in genealogy, I'd say Kylo Ren is still a Skywalker.mickeyrat said:
leia is his mom? she was/is a skywalker no?rgambs said:
They done brosef!elvistheking44 said:
I will come back to your other points in more detail, but first things first....the Skywalkers are certainly not done.rgambs said:
The Skywalkers are done. The story has moved beyond the Skywalkers.elvistheking44 said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what this amazing new ground was broken and what parts of this story moved us foreword.rgambs said:
The Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope!elvistheking44 said:
I absolutely LOVED The Force Awakens. The story went nowhere near anything forward. Maybe sideways at best. It’s plain bad story telling and movie making.rgambs said:If you want to watch the originals over and over for the rest of your life, do so.
The story needs to move forward, it can't just stay the same forever.
Rogue One was a dead end nostalgia trip.
The Last Jedi was the first to break new ground since the originals.
Not liking it is fine, nobody is obligated to agree with the direction of the narrative, but calling it bad filmmaking is ridiculous.
That's huge.
The Sith/Jedi opposition is done. The supreme coldy evil character has been replaced (at least for now) with a hotly conflicted upstart.
That's huge.
The Kylo-Rey connection and relationship is unlike anything we've seen, and the new mental Force powers are practically limitless.
The good guys are on the ropes far worse than they have ever been.
One of the staple characters of the story, the wild nd wreckless cowboy, was finally put in check and learned about humility.
Anakin, gone. Luke, gone. Leia, soon gone. Ben Solo? His name's Ben Solo, not Ben Skywalker lol0 -
and we still dont know the story of reys parents.....tempo_n_groove said:
Yes she is so, even though I am not proficient in genealogy, I'd say Kylo Ren is still a Skywalker.mickeyrat said:
leia is his mom? she was/is a skywalker no?rgambs said:
They done brosef!elvistheking44 said:
I will come back to your other points in more detail, but first things first....the Skywalkers are certainly not done.rgambs said:
The Skywalkers are done. The story has moved beyond the Skywalkers.elvistheking44 said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what this amazing new ground was broken and what parts of this story moved us foreword.rgambs said:
The Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope!elvistheking44 said:
I absolutely LOVED The Force Awakens. The story went nowhere near anything forward. Maybe sideways at best. It’s plain bad story telling and movie making.rgambs said:If you want to watch the originals over and over for the rest of your life, do so.
The story needs to move forward, it can't just stay the same forever.
Rogue One was a dead end nostalgia trip.
The Last Jedi was the first to break new ground since the originals.
Not liking it is fine, nobody is obligated to agree with the direction of the narrative, but calling it bad filmmaking is ridiculous.
That's huge.
The Sith/Jedi opposition is done. The supreme coldy evil character has been replaced (at least for now) with a hotly conflicted upstart.
That's huge.
The Kylo-Rey connection and relationship is unlike anything we've seen, and the new mental Force powers are practically limitless.
The good guys are on the ropes far worse than they have ever been.
One of the staple characters of the story, the wild nd wreckless cowboy, was finally put in check and learned about humility.
Anakin, gone. Luke, gone. Leia, soon gone. Ben Solo? His name's Ben Solo, not Ben Skywalker lol
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
Yes, Kylo had Skywalker blood, I was exaggerating.
The Skywalker portion of the saga is pretty much closed though.
It all started with Luke and his father and now it's down to Luke's nephew.
Rey's parents are nobody, that was given and there's no reason to think it wasn't true.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
They’re nobodies. Filthy junk traders who sold her off for drinking money.mickeyrat said:
and we still dont know the story of reys parents.....tempo_n_groove said:
Yes she is so, even though I am not proficient in genealogy, I'd say Kylo Ren is still a Skywalker.mickeyrat said:
leia is his mom? she was/is a skywalker no?rgambs said:
They done brosef!elvistheking44 said:
I will come back to your other points in more detail, but first things first....the Skywalkers are certainly not done.rgambs said:
The Skywalkers are done. The story has moved beyond the Skywalkers.elvistheking44 said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what this amazing new ground was broken and what parts of this story moved us foreword.rgambs said:
The Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope!elvistheking44 said:
I absolutely LOVED The Force Awakens. The story went nowhere near anything forward. Maybe sideways at best. It’s plain bad story telling and movie making.rgambs said:If you want to watch the originals over and over for the rest of your life, do so.
The story needs to move forward, it can't just stay the same forever.
Rogue One was a dead end nostalgia trip.
The Last Jedi was the first to break new ground since the originals.
Not liking it is fine, nobody is obligated to agree with the direction of the narrative, but calling it bad filmmaking is ridiculous.
That's huge.
The Sith/Jedi opposition is done. The supreme coldy evil character has been replaced (at least for now) with a hotly conflicted upstart.
That's huge.
The Kylo-Rey connection and relationship is unlike anything we've seen, and the new mental Force powers are practically limitless.
The good guys are on the ropes far worse than they have ever been.
One of the staple characters of the story, the wild nd wreckless cowboy, was finally put in check and learned about humility.
Anakin, gone. Luke, gone. Leia, soon gone. Ben Solo? His name's Ben Solo, not Ben Skywalker lolI SAW PEARL JAM0 -
rgambs said:Yes, Kylo had Skywalker blood, I was exaggerating.
The Skywalker portion of the saga is pretty much closed though.
It all started with Luke and his father and now it's down to Luke's nephew.
Rey's parents are nobody, that was given and there's no reason to think it wasn't true.
we only have the word of kylo on that. so as far as I am concerned we dont know who her parents are and why she was left...dankind said:
They’re nobodies. Filthy junk traders who sold her off for drinking money.mickeyrat said:
and we still dont know the story of reys parents.....tempo_n_groove said:
Yes she is so, even though I am not proficient in genealogy, I'd say Kylo Ren is still a Skywalker.mickeyrat said:
leia is his mom? she was/is a skywalker no?rgambs said:
They done brosef!elvistheking44 said:
I will come back to your other points in more detail, but first things first....the Skywalkers are certainly not done.rgambs said:
The Skywalkers are done. The story has moved beyond the Skywalkers.elvistheking44 said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what this amazing new ground was broken and what parts of this story moved us foreword.rgambs said:
The Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope!elvistheking44 said:
I absolutely LOVED The Force Awakens. The story went nowhere near anything forward. Maybe sideways at best. It’s plain bad story telling and movie making.rgambs said:If you want to watch the originals over and over for the rest of your life, do so.
The story needs to move forward, it can't just stay the same forever.
Rogue One was a dead end nostalgia trip.
The Last Jedi was the first to break new ground since the originals.
Not liking it is fine, nobody is obligated to agree with the direction of the narrative, but calling it bad filmmaking is ridiculous.
That's huge.
The Sith/Jedi opposition is done. The supreme coldy evil character has been replaced (at least for now) with a hotly conflicted upstart.
That's huge.
The Kylo-Rey connection and relationship is unlike anything we've seen, and the new mental Force powers are practically limitless.
The good guys are on the ropes far worse than they have ever been.
One of the staple characters of the story, the wild nd wreckless cowboy, was finally put in check and learned about humility.
Anakin, gone. Luke, gone. Leia, soon gone. Ben Solo? His name's Ben Solo, not Ben Skywalker lol
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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People said the same about Luke and Vader, but he knew it was true in his heart just like Rey knew it was true in hers.mickeyrat said:rgambs said:Yes, Kylo had Skywalker blood, I was exaggerating.
The Skywalker portion of the saga is pretty much closed though.
It all started with Luke and his father and now it's down to Luke's nephew.
Rey's parents are nobody, that was given and there's no reason to think it wasn't true.
we only have the word of kylo on that. so as far as I am concerned we dont know who her parents are and why she was left...dankind said:
They’re nobodies. Filthy junk traders who sold her off for drinking money.mickeyrat said:
and we still dont know the story of reys parents.....tempo_n_groove said:
Yes she is so, even though I am not proficient in genealogy, I'd say Kylo Ren is still a Skywalker.mickeyrat said:
leia is his mom? she was/is a skywalker no?rgambs said:
They done brosef!elvistheking44 said:
I will come back to your other points in more detail, but first things first....the Skywalkers are certainly not done.rgambs said:
The Skywalkers are done. The story has moved beyond the Skywalkers.elvistheking44 said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what this amazing new ground was broken and what parts of this story moved us foreword.rgambs said:
The Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope!elvistheking44 said:
I absolutely LOVED The Force Awakens. The story went nowhere near anything forward. Maybe sideways at best. It’s plain bad story telling and movie making.rgambs said:If you want to watch the originals over and over for the rest of your life, do so.
The story needs to move forward, it can't just stay the same forever.
Rogue One was a dead end nostalgia trip.
The Last Jedi was the first to break new ground since the originals.
Not liking it is fine, nobody is obligated to agree with the direction of the narrative, but calling it bad filmmaking is ridiculous.
That's huge.
The Sith/Jedi opposition is done. The supreme coldy evil character has been replaced (at least for now) with a hotly conflicted upstart.
That's huge.
The Kylo-Rey connection and relationship is unlike anything we've seen, and the new mental Force powers are practically limitless.
The good guys are on the ropes far worse than they have ever been.
One of the staple characters of the story, the wild nd wreckless cowboy, was finally put in check and learned about humility.
Anakin, gone. Luke, gone. Leia, soon gone. Ben Solo? His name's Ben Solo, not Ben Skywalker lol
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If they flip the script in IX to serve the fanboys and their stupid Campbellian aspirations for the best hero this franchise has ever known, I’ll walk out of the goddamn cinema.mickeyrat said:rgambs said:Yes, Kylo had Skywalker blood, I was exaggerating.
The Skywalker portion of the saga is pretty much closed though.
It all started with Luke and his father and now it's down to Luke's nephew.
Rey's parents are nobody, that was given and there's no reason to think it wasn't true.
we only have the word of kylo on that. so as far as I am concerned we dont know who her parents are and why she was left...dankind said:
They’re nobodies. Filthy junk traders who sold her off for drinking money.mickeyrat said:
and we still dont know the story of reys parents.....tempo_n_groove said:
Yes she is so, even though I am not proficient in genealogy, I'd say Kylo Ren is still a Skywalker.mickeyrat said:
leia is his mom? she was/is a skywalker no?rgambs said:
They done brosef!elvistheking44 said:
I will come back to your other points in more detail, but first things first....the Skywalkers are certainly not done.rgambs said:
The Skywalkers are done. The story has moved beyond the Skywalkers.elvistheking44 said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what this amazing new ground was broken and what parts of this story moved us foreword.rgambs said:
The Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope!elvistheking44 said:
I absolutely LOVED The Force Awakens. The story went nowhere near anything forward. Maybe sideways at best. It’s plain bad story telling and movie making.rgambs said:If you want to watch the originals over and over for the rest of your life, do so.
The story needs to move forward, it can't just stay the same forever.
Rogue One was a dead end nostalgia trip.
The Last Jedi was the first to break new ground since the originals.
Not liking it is fine, nobody is obligated to agree with the direction of the narrative, but calling it bad filmmaking is ridiculous.
That's huge.
The Sith/Jedi opposition is done. The supreme coldy evil character has been replaced (at least for now) with a hotly conflicted upstart.
That's huge.
The Kylo-Rey connection and relationship is unlike anything we've seen, and the new mental Force powers are practically limitless.
The good guys are on the ropes far worse than they have ever been.
One of the staple characters of the story, the wild nd wreckless cowboy, was finally put in check and learned about humility.
Anakin, gone. Luke, gone. Leia, soon gone. Ben Solo? His name's Ben Solo, not Ben Skywalker lol
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I agree, I can handle a Snoke return (though it would have to be handled just right) but I can't handle a "Rey turns out to be Kylo's sister" situation.dankind said:
If they flip the script in IX to serve the fanboys and their stupid Campbellian aspirations for the best hero this franchise has ever known, I’ll walk out of the goddamn cinema.mickeyrat said:rgambs said:Yes, Kylo had Skywalker blood, I was exaggerating.
The Skywalker portion of the saga is pretty much closed though.
It all started with Luke and his father and now it's down to Luke's nephew.
Rey's parents are nobody, that was given and there's no reason to think it wasn't true.
we only have the word of kylo on that. so as far as I am concerned we dont know who her parents are and why she was left...dankind said:
They’re nobodies. Filthy junk traders who sold her off for drinking money.mickeyrat said:
and we still dont know the story of reys parents.....tempo_n_groove said:
Yes she is so, even though I am not proficient in genealogy, I'd say Kylo Ren is still a Skywalker.mickeyrat said:
leia is his mom? she was/is a skywalker no?rgambs said:
They done brosef!elvistheking44 said:
I will come back to your other points in more detail, but first things first....the Skywalkers are certainly not done.rgambs said:
The Skywalkers are done. The story has moved beyond the Skywalkers.elvistheking44 said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what this amazing new ground was broken and what parts of this story moved us foreword.rgambs said:
The Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of A New Hope!elvistheking44 said:
I absolutely LOVED The Force Awakens. The story went nowhere near anything forward. Maybe sideways at best. It’s plain bad story telling and movie making.rgambs said:If you want to watch the originals over and over for the rest of your life, do so.
The story needs to move forward, it can't just stay the same forever.
Rogue One was a dead end nostalgia trip.
The Last Jedi was the first to break new ground since the originals.
Not liking it is fine, nobody is obligated to agree with the direction of the narrative, but calling it bad filmmaking is ridiculous.
That's huge.
The Sith/Jedi opposition is done. The supreme coldy evil character has been replaced (at least for now) with a hotly conflicted upstart.
That's huge.
The Kylo-Rey connection and relationship is unlike anything we've seen, and the new mental Force powers are practically limitless.
The good guys are on the ropes far worse than they have ever been.
One of the staple characters of the story, the wild nd wreckless cowboy, was finally put in check and learned about humility.
Anakin, gone. Luke, gone. Leia, soon gone. Ben Solo? His name's Ben Solo, not Ben Skywalker lolMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I saw it today and was entertained. Took my little brother - my family and I are part of the Big Brother - Big Sisters program.
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his review?buck502000 said:I saw it today and was entertained. Took my little brother - my family and I are part of the Big Brother - Big Sisters program.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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Geeeee, people having an issue with bombs falling in space. Use your imagination. What if they are guided bombs or magnetic like that are attracted towards something like a star destroyer.
How didn't Snoke read Kylo's mind to prevent him being killed? What if Kylo used some special force power to hide his thoughts?
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Star Wars has always been way too loose with the laws of physics. It's one thing in 1980, but damn, hire a consultant to check that shit.Thoughts_Arrive said:Geeeee, people having an issue with bombs falling in space. Use your imagination. What if they are guided bombs or magnetic like that are attracted towards something like a star destroyer.
How didn't Snoke read Kylo's mind to prevent him being killed? What if Kylo used some special force power to hide his thoughts?
Hire me, I'll do it.
Bombs just doesn't make sense for the level of technology and the situation.
It didn't take me out of the movie though, I only gave it a passing thought, I was dialed in and had my analysis set to low.
Kylo and Snoke, yeah that's no problem for me.
He pulled a Palpatine. Mind control and similar powers have existed since A New Hope and have been expanded in a way that I, personally, really like.
Kylo and Rey's struggles in TFA and connections in TLJ are great and seem to me, when placed in context with the rest of the two films, to establish that Kylo's Force powers are much more psychokinetic and telepathic than physical.
It's great new stuff with a ton of possibilities and I have no problem believing that even though Snoke bridged Kylo and Rey's minds, they experienced growth and expansion of power through that connection that soon eclipsed Snoke's.
Makes perfect sense to me, but I am a bit high.
It really reminds me of elements from Orson Scott Card's Ender Wiggin books.Post edited by rgambs onMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Exactly. Even Snoke mentioned that Kylo is very powerful.rgambs said:
Star Wars has always been way too loose with the laws of physics. It's one thing in 1980, but damn, hire a consultant to check that shit.Thoughts_Arrive said:Geeeee, people having an issue with bombs falling in space. Use your imagination. What if they are guided bombs or magnetic like that are attracted towards something like a star destroyer.
How didn't Snoke read Kylo's mind to prevent him being killed? What if Kylo used some special force power to hide his thoughts?
Hire me, I'll do it.
Bombs just doesn't make sense for the level of technology and the situation.
It didn't take me out of the movie though, I only gave it a passing thought, I was dialed in and had my analysis set to low.
Kylo and Snoke, yeah that's no problem for me.
He pulled a Palpatine. Mind control and similar powers have existed since A New Hope and have been expanded in a way that I, personally, really like.
Kylo and Rey's struggles in TFA and connections in TLJ are great and seem to me, when placed in context with the rest of the two films, to establish that Kylo's Force powers are much more psychokinetic and telepathic than physical.
It's great new stuff with a ton of possibilities and I have no problem believing that even though Snoke bridged Kylo and Rey's minds, they experienced growth and expansion of power through that connection that soon eclipsed Snoke's.
Makes perfect sense to me, but I am a bit high.
It really reminds me of elements from Orson Scott Card's Ender Wiggin books.
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I'm still not sold that Rey and Kilo developed super powers beyond Snokes ability in such a brief moment.rgambs said:
Star Wars has always been way too loose with the laws of physics. It's one thing in 1980, but damn, hire a consultant to check that shit.Thoughts_Arrive said:Geeeee, people having an issue with bombs falling in space. Use your imagination. What if they are guided bombs or magnetic like that are attracted towards something like a star destroyer.
How didn't Snoke read Kylo's mind to prevent him being killed? What if Kylo used some special force power to hide his thoughts?
Hire me, I'll do it.
Bombs just doesn't make sense for the level of technology and the situation.
It didn't take me out of the movie though, I only gave it a passing thought, I was dialed in and had my analysis set to low.
Kylo and Snoke, yeah that's no problem for me.
He pulled a Palpatine. Mind control and similar powers have existed since A New Hope and have been expanded in a way that I, personally, really like.
Kylo and Rey's struggles in TFA and connections in TLJ are great and seem to me, when placed in context with the rest of the two films, to establish that Kylo's Force powers are much more psychokinetic and telepathic than physical.
It's great new stuff with a ton of possibilities and I have no problem believing that even though Snoke bridged Kylo and Rey's minds, they experienced growth and expansion of power through that connection that soon eclipsed Snoke's.
Makes perfect sense to me, but I am a bit high.
It really reminds me of elements from Orson Scott Card's Ender Wiggin books.
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Why not? The saga is full of people born with extraordinary power being put into use with minimal training.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm still not sold that Rey and Kilo developed super powers beyond Snokes ability in such a brief moment.rgambs said:
Star Wars has always been way too loose with the laws of physics. It's one thing in 1980, but damn, hire a consultant to check that shit.Thoughts_Arrive said:Geeeee, people having an issue with bombs falling in space. Use your imagination. What if they are guided bombs or magnetic like that are attracted towards something like a star destroyer.
How didn't Snoke read Kylo's mind to prevent him being killed? What if Kylo used some special force power to hide his thoughts?
Hire me, I'll do it.
Bombs just doesn't make sense for the level of technology and the situation.
It didn't take me out of the movie though, I only gave it a passing thought, I was dialed in and had my analysis set to low.
Kylo and Snoke, yeah that's no problem for me.
He pulled a Palpatine. Mind control and similar powers have existed since A New Hope and have been expanded in a way that I, personally, really like.
Kylo and Rey's struggles in TFA and connections in TLJ are great and seem to me, when placed in context with the rest of the two films, to establish that Kylo's Force powers are much more psychokinetic and telepathic than physical.
It's great new stuff with a ton of possibilities and I have no problem believing that even though Snoke bridged Kylo and Rey's minds, they experienced growth and expansion of power through that connection that soon eclipsed Snoke's.
Makes perfect sense to me, but I am a bit high.
It really reminds me of elements from Orson Scott Card's Ender Wiggin books.
Anakin was a pod racing toddler and Luke used to nail Womp Rats in his T-16 back home.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Why not? Here's why.rgambs said:
Why not? The saga is full of people born with extraordinary power being put into use with minimal training.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm still not sold that Rey and Kilo developed super powers beyond Snokes ability in such a brief moment.rgambs said:
Star Wars has always been way too loose with the laws of physics. It's one thing in 1980, but damn, hire a consultant to check that shit.Thoughts_Arrive said:Geeeee, people having an issue with bombs falling in space. Use your imagination. What if they are guided bombs or magnetic like that are attracted towards something like a star destroyer.
How didn't Snoke read Kylo's mind to prevent him being killed? What if Kylo used some special force power to hide his thoughts?
Hire me, I'll do it.
Bombs just doesn't make sense for the level of technology and the situation.
It didn't take me out of the movie though, I only gave it a passing thought, I was dialed in and had my analysis set to low.
Kylo and Snoke, yeah that's no problem for me.
He pulled a Palpatine. Mind control and similar powers have existed since A New Hope and have been expanded in a way that I, personally, really like.
Kylo and Rey's struggles in TFA and connections in TLJ are great and seem to me, when placed in context with the rest of the two films, to establish that Kylo's Force powers are much more psychokinetic and telepathic than physical.
It's great new stuff with a ton of possibilities and I have no problem believing that even though Snoke bridged Kylo and Rey's minds, they experienced growth and expansion of power through that connection that soon eclipsed Snoke's.
Makes perfect sense to me, but I am a bit high.
It really reminds me of elements from Orson Scott Card's Ender Wiggin books.
Anakin was a pod racing toddler and Luke used to nail Womp Rats in his T-16 back home.
Anakin was trained by Jedi's for quite a while to become what he was.
Luke was trained for a while by Yoda and at least he lost to Vader whom also went easy on him considering he wanted to join forces.
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That wasn't Yoda, it was Miss Piggy. It was also one of the many unnecessary scenes that could have been cut from this.tempo_n_groove said:Something else that chaps my ass...
Where the hell was Yoda during the rest of this? He shows up at the end to chat with Luke? C'mon...
I didn't hate it, but I was bored by the halfway point. I get that moving on from the Skywalkers will allow Disney to continue the franchise ad infinitum, but there wasn't really much in the way of a gripping storyline, and it's hard to think if any of the new characters that I actually care about.
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Luke's training was seriously minimal, Anakin had physical Force Powers before he even knew it.tempo_n_groove said:
Why not? Here's why.rgambs said:
Why not? The saga is full of people born with extraordinary power being put into use with minimal training.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm still not sold that Rey and Kilo developed super powers beyond Snokes ability in such a brief moment.rgambs said:
Star Wars has always been way too loose with the laws of physics. It's one thing in 1980, but damn, hire a consultant to check that shit.Thoughts_Arrive said:Geeeee, people having an issue with bombs falling in space. Use your imagination. What if they are guided bombs or magnetic like that are attracted towards something like a star destroyer.
How didn't Snoke read Kylo's mind to prevent him being killed? What if Kylo used some special force power to hide his thoughts?
Hire me, I'll do it.
Bombs just doesn't make sense for the level of technology and the situation.
It didn't take me out of the movie though, I only gave it a passing thought, I was dialed in and had my analysis set to low.
Kylo and Snoke, yeah that's no problem for me.
He pulled a Palpatine. Mind control and similar powers have existed since A New Hope and have been expanded in a way that I, personally, really like.
Kylo and Rey's struggles in TFA and connections in TLJ are great and seem to me, when placed in context with the rest of the two films, to establish that Kylo's Force powers are much more psychokinetic and telepathic than physical.
It's great new stuff with a ton of possibilities and I have no problem believing that even though Snoke bridged Kylo and Rey's minds, they experienced growth and expansion of power through that connection that soon eclipsed Snoke's.
Makes perfect sense to me, but I am a bit high.
It really reminds me of elements from Orson Scott Card's Ender Wiggin books.
Anakin was a pod racing toddler and Luke used to nail Womp Rats in his T-16 back home.
Anakin was trained by Jedi's for quite a while to become what he was.
Luke was trained for a while by Yoda and at least he lost to Vader whom also went easy on him considering he wanted to join forces.
Kylo was trained by Luke and Snoke whom just told us that he has been controlling his thoughts this whole time yet couldn't read them when he's about to get killed.
Snoke was arrogant and arrogance causes blindness. If Master Yoda's hubris can cause him to fail to see that his acquaintance Palpatine is the Sith Lord disturbing the Force so greatly, it's easy to imagine that Snoke's hubris allows him to think he has control of Kylo's mind when, in fact, Kylo is misdirecting him with the false thoughts of submission that Snoke eagerly wants to believe.
It's even easier to believe for me when I consider that Force Powers grow with use and such an intimate mind to mind connection could easily cause some sort of twining that would increase their power and maybe even allow them to draw from each other.
This is new territory, and the metaphysical ramifications are wide open. Rey's untrained abilities are unsettling for some who don't like change, but it makes for a very compelling new character. The scene in which she enters the Dark Side and Luke is terrified by her power and aghast at her boldness is very telling, this plus Kylo's raw power and the quick emergence of a new Sith Lord, suggest that the Force itself is in resurgence and bold new possibilities are on the horizon.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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