Net Neutrality is Dead.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
    I guess to be honest I would have to say, "No, I don't need it."  But I do a lot of my work at home which I could not do without the internet.  That doesn't mean I would starve and at 66 I guess I could accept the idea of less work but work is one of the things I live for.  I would face a fair degree more depression without it.  I hope my ISP doesn't screw me over this.   

    My wife would be bummed big time if we lost internet service because it got to be too expensive.  The internet is how she keeps in touch with her extended family and she has a lot of extended family!

    But I don't think it's going to go away, just some more of our hard earned money (and maybe some of our time) is going to go away.  :frowning:
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Republicans...voting against their own interests for decades.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m so glad I stayed home in Election Day. I sure did show Hillary.


    Yep, internet censoring died the day net neutrality started.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
    I guess to be honest I would have to say, "No, I don't need it."  But I do a lot of my work at home which I could not do without the internet.  That doesn't mean I would starve and at 66 I guess I could accept the idea of less work but work is one of the things I live for.  I would face a fair degree more depression without it.  I hope my ISP doesn't screw me over this.   

    My wife would be bummed big time if we lost internet service because it got to be too expensive.  The internet is how she keeps in touch with her extended family and she has a lot of extended family!

    But I don't think it's going to go away, just some more of our hard earned money (and maybe some of our time) is going to go away.  :frowning:
    The thing is, people want to use business as proof that everyone needs internet, but the reality is that the breadth of internet delivered services a typical business uses is tiny and utilitarian.  It will likely be fully covered in the most basic packages in the post-neutrality market.
    Entertainment services are the targets here and the concern.

    I'm pretty insular and selfish on this issue.
    I live beyond the range where internet is accessible and therefore rely on it much less than most people my age.  I use my phone for social media and this forum, and I like having Google to look things up, but I wouldn't be outraged to give these things up.
    I think we have serious societal problems with this issue, so even though this is a nasty cash grab that's total bullshit, I just can't bring myself to care very much that people will have to pay extra for their Netflix and Hulu and YouTube.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m so glad I stayed home in Election Day. I sure did show Hillary.


    Yep, internet censoring died the day net neutrality started.
    I don't understand what you mean here, would you elaborate?
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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,379
    Such bullshit. Everything is always about more money. For the people who already have money. So frustrating. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,614
    Ok can someone just put it in layman’s term what does this mean to the average joe like me , how will this affect me ..
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,854
    josevolution said:
    Ok can someone just put it in layman’s term what does this mean to the average joe like me , how will this affect me ..
    Basically, your cable company will now have more control of your internet.

    Before, with this rule, it was treated like a hose.  The data would flow indiscriminately.

    Now, your cable company is allowed to restrict the flow of different types of data.  This will give them the ability to chop up the internet in tiers.  If you want to stream movies and other video content, they could charge more.  You may need to pay to access stuff like facebook and twitter in a package.  They could slow netflix and demand money from them to allow normal or increased speed (which the costs would be passed to the consumer).  They can completely block things they cant have an 'agreement' with or are a competitor.  Like maybe HBO Go wont be available on Spectrum Internet.  

    Also, it provides the ability to restrict content it may not agree with.  Giving AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast the ability to censor the web.

    I know cable companies have such a reputable history of fair pricing and tiering... as well as customer service.  I dont expect them to twist and leverage every last cent they can get out of their legal racketeering.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,614
    MayDay10 said:
    josevolution said:
    Ok can someone just put it in layman’s term what does this mean to the average joe like me , how will this affect me ..
    Basically, your cable company will now have more control of your internet.

    Before, with this rule, it was treated like a hose.  The data would flow indiscriminately.

    Now, your cable company is allowed to restrict the flow of different types of data.  This will give them the ability to chop up the internet in tiers.  If you want to stream movies and other video content, they could charge more.  You may need to pay to access stuff like facebook and twitter in a package.  They could slow netflix and demand money from them to allow normal or increased speed (which the costs would be passed to the consumer).  They can completely block things they cant have an 'agreement' with or are a competitor.  Like maybe HBO Go wont be available on Spectrum Internet.  

    Also, it provides the ability to restrict content it may not agree with.  Giving AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast the ability to censor the web.

    I know cable companies have such a reputable history of fair pricing and tiering... as well as customer service.  I dont expect them to twist and leverage every last cent they can get out of their legal racketeering.
    Thanks , another money making scheme man soon they will want to charge for the air we breathe ..
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,614
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    josevolution said:
    Ok can someone just put it in layman’s term what does this mean to the average joe like me , how will this affect me ..
    Net neutrality is the principle that internet service providers must treat all data on the internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, equipment, or communication method.

    So, you know how your cable bill has tiered pricing packages and you can pay anywhere from, say, $50-200 a month for cable.  Based on whether you have just the basic package, premium package, or ultimate package, and if you add the sports package, add HBO and Showtime, add a DVR, and a 2nd DVR for another room, etc...

    Now your cable company or ISP can do the same with your internet.  Oh, you want access to Facebook, Twitter, & Instagram, add the social media package for $19.99 a month.  You want Youtube, Netflix, & Hulu, add the visual media package for $24.99 a month.  Want access to porn and dating sites, add the adult services package for $39.99 a month.  Need to do research for your college homework, well, in addition to the super high cost of seconday education, you now have to pay $19.99 a month for the information package for access to search tools, wikipedia, and other reference sites.  

    And it goes even beyond that.  Your cable company donated to the Trump campaign?  Hope you like Fox News and Breitbart because you no longer have access to CNN.com or the New York Times website. Have an iMac?  Well you must be rich, so your internet costs more than someone with a Dell computer.  Have more than one computer or phone in the home? Enjoy your monthly per-device surcharge. Live in a black neighborhood? Too bad, you don't get the fucking internet.

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    josevolution said:
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
    I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    dignin said:
    josevolution said:
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
    I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.

    Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:

    After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,218
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    Maybe for you.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    CM189191 said:
    dignin said:
    josevolution said:
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
    I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.

    Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:

    After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
    We could and should do the same thing here.
    The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    JC29856 said:
    CM189191 said:
    dignin said:
    josevolution said:
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
    I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.

    Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:

    After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
    We could and should do the same thing here.
    The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.
    Ok, if you say so. Not sure how he would manage to do that considering the 1st amendment and all, but what he can help do is make it more difficult to access. Gee, what type of regulation can he get rid of to do that....
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JC29856 said:
    CM189191 said:
    dignin said:
    josevolution said:
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
    I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.

    Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:

    After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
    We could and should do the same thing here.
    The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.
    so basically take your daily idiocy and ratchet it up to 11?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    CM189191 said:
    dignin said:
    josevolution said:
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    No kidding so tell us how you feel about it ..
    I'm not really interested in what mother Russia has to say about it.

    Interestingly enough, Russia actually appears to be more progressive on this issue:

    After almost 4 years of discussion, in early 2016 Federal Antimonopoly Service approved a regulation blocking ISPs from throttling or otherwise blocking any websites apart from those blocked at the request of the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, thus protecting net neutrality in Russia
    We could and should do the same thing here.
    The one major flaw with Net Neutrailty is that it gave the White House the ability to shut down ISPs and websites it deemed "hostile". Imagine Trump waking up and deciding to take down the dailybeast.
    so basically take your daily idiocy and ratchet it up to 11?
    He's been promised T2 speed for his continued work...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,379
    JC29856 said:
    Net neutrality is much more complicated than the explanations provided in this thread.
    Sure. Please enlighten us. This is terrible for the consumer. More control, power and money for big businesses. Period. 

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